Wayne, Perhaps you are speaking to me, Wayne with your complaint, [paraphrasing]: please stop putting your words in my mouth and twisting up the things I say. I really have zero commitment to -in brevity - to putting and twisting your words - nor do I intend to be disrespectful to you personally in any way whatsoever. Without conditions whatsoever I apologize to you personally and directly. I want you to know I am responsible for my listening and speaking and the messes I create like this one when I fail to get it right. In the future should I ever listen or speak stupidly to you, please call me to task and I will do my best to make amends on the spot. My intention is actually to listen to your words with respect and curiosity for example -your views on high context vs low context cultures: - "...high context cultures...". - " We kind of confused ourselves in the 80's in our efforts to make this phenomonal phenomonological methodology more accessible and useful in a wider range of applications. Different people, different contexts, different cares and concerns, different histories led us to different terminology and differences in application." And I am left wondering [for my self] who was the "we" that was confused again, wondering what that might have to do with now and the future 50 ears of ICA? My intention is to honor your views; i expect to be able to hold views different from yours and to express them freely: for example I see a distinction between Art-Form Conversations and ORID conversations which you may not see or may not value the same way I do. Here is a thought of mine which you are free to engage, disagree with, ignore as you choose. I see some future benefit of having a richer set of distinctions regarding conversations, disciplines, practices and leadership roles including - the "ask orientation" of a facilitator, - the "get it into action orientation" of a teacher/trainer - the "share orientation" of a digital story-teller, - the "being-with orientation" of a mentor or a coach or a guide, - the "get it done well orientation" of a project leader and a coach A reconsideration of JWM's Knowing, Being & Doing phenomenology could produce a much richer set of social roles, practices conversations and some new patterns of leadership. At the moment I'm admiring Kaze Gadway's [was Kaye Hayes] story making on her blog and in video, and her engagement with indian kids on the reservation. Not exactly my cup of tea, but I admire her candor, equanimity and her willingness to pay something forward to a new generation 1on1 when she guides and mentors kids. Makes me think of being a grandfather for a new grand daughter. I apologize one more time for being disrespectful to you. I am responsible for my words and for doing my best to clean up my own messes. I choose to honor your intentions and words, even with different view points. I apologize for my poor texting. I ask you to accept my apology. I ask you to tell me the next dumb thing I write that offends you. Steve