Yes, John Epps, freedom presupposes responsibility for most of us, but the irresponsible do not necessarily agree to what their responsibility includes. Free to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, when there is no fire? The question to me is how to extend free speech to those who do not recognize that as a human right. Violence is not that which is NOT punished. Speech itself, in our understanding, is what is NOT punished. Karen Bueno In a message dated 9/18/2012 5:07:23 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jlepps@pc.jaring.my writes: We have no trouble with the principle that “Your freedom to swing your fists ends where my nose begins.” Might that not also apply to statements that insult, demean or otherwise vilify other people?