[Oe List ...] 1. End of hosting of mailing lists, input requested (Timothy Wegner)
balmkevin at gmail.com
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Mon May 25 16:41:34 PDT 2026
I too support one list. I can live with any name agreed to.
Kevin
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] 1. End of hosting of mailing lists, input requested (Timothy Wegner)
Also favor 1 list.
On Mon, May 25, 2026, 5:05 PM Richard and Maria Maguire via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:
HI Tim
Thank you for your work over the years. I would be in favor of one list
continuing. Dialog sounds fine for me as a name.
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> 1. End of hosting of mailing lists, input requested (Timothy Wegner)
> 2. Re: [Dialogue] End of hosting of mailing lists, input
> requested (Karen Snyder)
> 3. Re: [Dialogue] End of hosting of mailing lists, input
> requested (Ken Fisher)
> 4. Re: [Dialogue] End of hosting of mailing lists, input
> requested (jstanfieldica)
> 5. Re: [Dialogue] End of hosting of mailing lists, input
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> From: Timothy Wegner <tim at tswegner.net <mailto:tim at tswegner.net> >
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <OE at wedgeblade.net <mailto:OE at wedgeblade.net> >, Dialogue List
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> Dreamhost, the host of the dialogue, oe, and earthrise mailing lists, just
> informed me that they are ending support for discussion lists on July 21,
> 2026. This means that unless we act, these three mailing lists will end on
> that date.
>
> I want to discuss some options, and I would very much like folks here to
> weigh in.
>
> 1. First option is to do nothing, which means that these mailing lists will
> cease to exist on July 21. Terry Bergdal has opted to do this for his
> Earthrise list. I am open to ending OE and Dialogue as well.
>
> 2. The second option is to find another host for one or both lists. If we
> do this, I suggest one list because the distinction between the two lists
> (originally OE and ICA) has become very unclear. I think one list will
> suffice, the only question is what to call it. Maybe dialogue, oe-dialogue,
> or oe-ica?
>
> The OE and Dialogue lists are not very active, but I see at least on reason
> to continue: to provide a way to communicate life transitions to the
> larger community.
>
> Sooner or later these lists would end anyway (I am turning 80 soon), but I
> had assumed they would continue for a few more years. I would appreciate
> input on whether one list should continue past July 21st (and what to call
> it), or if this is a good time to end both the lists.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Wegner
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> From: Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10 at gmail.com <mailto:karen.snyder10 at gmail.com> >
> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> >
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> I would suggest one list called ?ICA Dialogue?. Karen
>
>> On May 25, 2026, at 3:10?PM, Timothy Wegner via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:
>>
>> Dreamhost, the host of the dialogue, oe, and earthrise mailing lists, just informed me that they are ending support for discussion lists on July 21, 2026. This means that unless we act, these three mailing lists will end on that date.
>>
>> I want to discuss some options, and I would very much like folks here to weigh in.
>>
>> 1. First option is to do nothing, which means that these mailing lists will cease to exist on July 21. Terry Bergdal has opted to do this for his Earthrise list. I am open to ending OE and Dialogue as well.
>>
>> 2. The second option is to find another host for one or both lists. If we do this, I suggest one list because the distinction between the two lists (originally OE and ICA) has become very unclear. I think one list will suffice, the only question is what to call it. Maybe dialogue, oe-dialogue, or oe-ica?
>>
>> The OE and Dialogue lists are not very active, but I see at least on reason to continue: to provide a way to communicate life transitions to the larger community.
>>
>> Sooner or later these lists would end anyway (I am turning 80 soon), but I had assumed they would continue for a few more years. I would appreciate input on whether one list should continue past July 21st (and what to call it), or if this is a good time to end both the lists.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim Wegner
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dialogue mailing list
>> Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 25 May 2026 16:34:25 -0400
> From: Ken Fisher <kenfisher1942 at gmail.com <mailto:kenfisher1942 at gmail.com> >
> To: Dialogue Lists <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> >
> Cc: Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10 at gmail.com <mailto:karen.snyder10 at gmail.com> >, Order Ecumenical
> Community <OE at wedgeblade.net <mailto:OE at wedgeblade.net> >
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>> On May 25, 2026, at 4:15?PM, Karen Snyder via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:
>>
>> I would suggest one list called ?ICA Dialogue?. Karen
>
> Agree. Ken
>
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>
>
>
>
>>> On May 25, 2026, at 3:10?PM, Timothy Wegner via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Dreamhost, the host of the dialogue, oe, and earthrise mailing lists, just informed me that they are ending support for discussion lists on July 21, 2026. This means that unless we act, these three mailing lists will end on that date.
>>>
>>> I want to discuss some options, and I would very much like folks here to weigh in.
>>>
>>> 1. First option is to do nothing, which means that these mailing lists will cease to exist on July 21. Terry Bergdal has opted to do this for his Earthrise list. I am open to ending OE and Dialogue as well.
>>>
>>> 2. The second option is to find another host for one or both lists. If we do this, I suggest one list because the distinction between the two lists (originally OE and ICA) has become very unclear. I think one list will suffice, the only question is what to call it. Maybe dialogue, oe-dialogue, or oe-ica?
>>>
>>> The OE and Dialogue lists are not very active, but I see at least on reason to continue: to provide a way to communicate life transitions to the larger community.
>>>
>>> Sooner or later these lists would end anyway (I am turning 80 soon), but I had assumed they would continue for a few more years. I would appreciate input on whether one list should continue past July 21st (and what to call it), or if this is a good time to end both the lists.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tim Wegner
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Dialogue mailing list
>>> Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>>> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
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> Date: Mon, 25 May 2026 16:39:52 -0400
> From: jstanfieldica <jstanfieldica at gmail.com <mailto:jstanfieldica at gmail.com> >
> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> >
> Cc: Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10 at gmail.com <mailto:karen.snyder10 at gmail.com> >, Order Ecumenical
> Community <OE at wedgeblade.net <mailto:OE at wedgeblade.net> >
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> I agree with Karen.? 1 listserve ICA Dialogue.Jeanette StanfieldSent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network.
> -------- Original message --------From: Karen Snyder via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> > Date: 2026-05-25 4:17 p.m. (GMT-05:00) To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> > Cc: Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10 at gmail.com <mailto:karen.snyder10 at gmail.com> >, Order Ecumenical Community <OE at wedgeblade.net <mailto:OE at wedgeblade.net> > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] End of hosting of mailing lists, input requested I would suggest one list called ?ICA Dialogue?.? Karen> On May 25, 2026, at 3:10?PM, Timothy Wegner via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:> > Dreamhost, the host of the dialogue, oe, and earthrise mailing lists, just informed me that they are ending support for discussion lists on July 21, 2026. This means that unless we act, these three mailing lists will end on that date.> > I want to discuss some options, and I would very much like folks here to weigh in.> > 1. First option is to do nothing, which means that these mailing lists will cease to exist on July 21.? Terry Bergdal? has opted to do this for his Earthrise li
> st. I am open to ending OE and Dialogue as well.> > 2. The second option is to find another host for one or both lists. If we do this, I suggest one list because the distinction between the two lists (originally OE and ICA) has become very unclear. I think one list will suffice, the only question is what to call it. Maybe dialogue, oe-dialogue, or oe-ica?> > The OE and Dialogue lists are not very active, but I see at least on reason to continue: to provide a way to communicate life transitions to the? larger community.> > Sooner or later these lists would end anyway (I am turning 80 soon), but I had assumed they would continue for a few more years. I would appreciate input on whether one list should continue past July 21st (and what to call it), or if this is a good time? to end both the lists.> > Thanks,> > Tim Wegner> > > _______________________________________________> Dialogue mailing list> Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> > http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgebla
> de.net_______________________________________________Dialogue mailing listDialogue at lists.wedgeblade.nethttp://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net <http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net>
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> From: Diann McCabe <diann.mccabe at gmail.com <mailto:diann.mccabe at gmail.com> >
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> >
> Cc: Dialogue Lists <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> >, Ken Fisher
> <kenfisher1942 at gmail.com <mailto:kenfisher1942 at gmail.com> >, Order Ecumenical Community
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> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] End of hosting of mailing lists,
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> Thank you--and I agree with Karen's suggestion.
> Diann McCabe
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2026 at 3:36?PM Ken Fisher via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> On May 25, 2026, at 4:15?PM, Karen Snyder via Dialogue <
>> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:
>>> I would suggest one list called ?ICA Dialogue?. Karen
>>
>> Agree. Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On May 25, 2026, at 3:10?PM, Timothy Wegner via Dialogue <
>> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:
>>>> Dreamhost, the host of the dialogue, oe, and earthrise mailing lists,
>> just informed me that they are ending support for discussion lists on July
>> 21, 2026. This means that unless we act, these three mailing lists will end
>> on that date.
>>>> I want to discuss some options, and I would very much like folks here
>> to weigh in.
>>>> 1. First option is to do nothing, which means that these mailing lists
>> will cease to exist on July 21. Terry Bergdal has opted to do this for
>> his Earthrise list. I am open to ending OE and Dialogue as well.
>>>> 2. The second option is to find another host for one or both lists. If
>> we do this, I suggest one list because the distinction between the two
>> lists (originally OE and ICA) has become very unclear. I think one list
>> will suffice, the only question is what to call it. Maybe dialogue,
>> oe-dialogue, or oe-ica?
>>>> The OE and Dialogue lists are not very active, but I see at least on
>> reason to continue: to provide a way to communicate life transitions to
>> the larger community.
>>>> Sooner or later these lists would end anyway (I am turning 80 soon),
>> but I had assumed they would continue for a few more years. I would
>> appreciate input on whether one list should continue past July 21st (and
>> what to call it), or if this is a good time to end both the lists.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Tim Wegner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Dialogue mailing list
>>>> Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>>>> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Dialogue mailing list
>>> Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>>> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
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> From: Diann McCabe <diann.mccabe at gmail.com>
> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> >
> Cc: Dialogue Lists <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> >, Ken Fisher
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> Thank you--and I agree with Karen's suggestion.
> Diann McCabe
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2026 at 3:36?PM Ken Fisher via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> On May 25, 2026, at 4:15?PM, Karen Snyder via Dialogue <
>> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:
>>> I would suggest one list called ?ICA Dialogue?. Karen
>>
>> Agree. Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On May 25, 2026, at 3:10?PM, Timothy Wegner via Dialogue <
>> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:
>>>> Dreamhost, the host of the dialogue, oe, and earthrise mailing lists,
>> just informed me that they are ending support for discussion lists on July
>> 21, 2026. This means that unless we act, these three mailing lists will end
>> on that date.
>>>> I want to discuss some options, and I would very much like folks here
>> to weigh in.
>>>> 1. First option is to do nothing, which means that these mailing lists
>> will cease to exist on July 21. Terry Bergdal has opted to do this for
>> his Earthrise list. I am open to ending OE and Dialogue as well.
>>>> 2. The second option is to find another host for one or both lists. If
>> we do this, I suggest one list because the distinction between the two
>> lists (originally OE and ICA) has become very unclear. I think one list
>> will suffice, the only question is what to call it. Maybe dialogue,
>> oe-dialogue, or oe-ica?
>>>> The OE and Dialogue lists are not very active, but I see at least on
>> reason to continue: to provide a way to communicate life transitions to
>> the larger community.
>>>> Sooner or later these lists would end anyway (I am turning 80 soon),
>> but I had assumed they would continue for a few more years. I would
>> appreciate input on whether one list should continue past July 21st (and
>> what to call it), or if this is a good time to end both the lists.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Tim Wegner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Dialogue mailing list
>>>> Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>>>> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>>> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
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> From: Richard Alton <richard.alton at gmail.com <mailto:richard.alton at gmail.com> >
> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> >
> Cc: Order Ecumenical Community <OE at wedgeblade.net <mailto:OE at wedgeblade.net> >, Timothy Wegner
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> I would vote for one list with a new host. Dick
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2026 at 3:13?PM Timothy Wegner via Dialogue <
> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:
>
>> Dreamhost, the host of the dialogue, oe, and earthrise mailing lists, just
>> informed me that they are ending support for discussion lists on July 21,
>> 2026. This means that unless we act, these three mailing lists will end on
>> that date.
>>
>> I want to discuss some options, and I would very much like folks here to
>> weigh in.
>>
>> 1. First option is to do nothing, which means that these mailing lists
>> will cease to exist on July 21. Terry Bergdal has opted to do this
>> for his Earthrise list. I am open to ending OE and Dialogue as well.
>>
>> 2. The second option is to find another host for one or both lists. If we
>> do this, I suggest one list because the distinction between the two lists
>> (originally OE and ICA) has become very unclear. I think one list will
>> suffice, the only question is what to call it. Maybe dialogue, oe-dialogue,
>> or oe-ica?
>>
>> The OE and Dialogue lists are not very active, but I see at least on
>> reason to continue: to provide a way to communicate life transitions to
>> the larger community.
>>
>> Sooner or later these lists would end anyway (I am turning 80 soon), but I
>> had assumed they would continue for a few more years. I would appreciate
>> input on whether one list should continue past July 21st (and what to call
>> it), or if this is a good time to end both the lists.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim Wegner
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dialogue mailing list
>> Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:Dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
>>
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