[Oe List ...] bizarre

[Judi White]

October 27, 2024 (Sunday)

I stand corrected. I thought this year’s October surprise was the reality
that Trump’s mental state had slipped so badly he could not campaign in any
coherent way.

It turns out that the 2024 October surprise was the Trump campaign’s
fascist rally at Madison Square Garden, a rally so extreme that Republicans
running for office have been denouncing it all over social media tonight.

There was never any question that this rally was going to be anything but
an attempt to inflame Trump’s base. The plan for a rally at Madison Square
Garden itself deliberately evoked its predecessor: a Nazi rally at the old
Madison Square Garden on February 20, 1939. About 18,000 people showed up
for that “true Americanism” event, held on a stage that featured a huge
portrait of George Washington in his Continental Army uniform flanked by
swastikas.

Like that earlier event, Trump’s rally was supposed to demonstrate power
and inspire his base to violence.

Apparently in anticipation of the Sunday rally, Trump on the previous
Friday night replaced his signature blue suit and red tie with the black
and gold of the neofascist Proud Boys. That extremist group was central to
the January 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol and has been rebuilding to
support Trump again in 2024.

On Saturday the Trump campaign then released a list of 29 people set to be
on the stage at the rally. Notably, the list was all MAGA Republicans,
including vice presidential nominee Ohio senator J.D. Vance, House speaker
Mike Johnson (LA), Representative Elise Stefanik (NY), Representative Byron
Donalds (FL), Trump backer Elon Musk, Trump ally Rudy Giuliani, Robert F.
Kennedy Jr., right-wing host Tucker Carlson, Trump sons Don Jr. and Eric,
and Eric’s wife, Republican National Committee co-chair Lara Trump.

Libbey Dean of NewsNation noted that none of the seven Republicans running
in New York’s competitive House races were on the list. When asked why not,
according to Dean, Trump senior advisor Jason Miller said: “The demand, the
request for people to speak, is quite extensive.” Asked if the campaign had
turned down anyone who asked to speak, Miller said no.

Meanwhile, the decision of the owners of the Los Angeles Times and the
Washington Post not to endorse Democratic presidential candidate Vice
President Kamala Harris seems to have sparked a backlash. As Will Bunch of
the Philadelphia Inquirer noted, “in a strange way the papers did perform a
public service: showing American voters what life under a dictator would
feel like.”

Early on October 26, the Washington Post itself went after Trump backer
billionaire Elon Musk with a major story highlighting the information that
Musk, an immigrant from South Africa, had worked illegally when he started
his career in the U.S. Musk “did not have the legal right to work” in the
U.S. when he started his first successful company. As part of the Trump
campaign, Musk has emphasized his opposition to undocumented immigrants.

The New York Times has tended to downplay Trump’s outrageous statements,
but on Saturday it ran a round-up of Trump’s threats in the center of the
front page, above the fold. It noted that Trump has vowed to expand
presidential power, prosecute his political opponents, and crack down on
immigration with mass deportations and detention camps. It went on to list
his determination to undermine the North Atlantic Treaty Organization
(NATO), use the U.S. military against Mexican drug cartels “in potential
violation of international law,” and use federal troops against U.S.
citizens. It added that he plans to “upend trade” with sweeping new tariffs
that will raise consumer prices, and to rein in regulatory agencies.

“To help achieve these and other goals,” the paper concluded, “his advisers
are vetting lawyers seen as more likely to embrace aggressive legal
theories about the scope of his power.”

On Sunday the front page of the New York Times opinion section read, in
giant capital letters: “DONALD TRUMP/ SAYS HE WILL PROSECUTE HIS ENEMIES/
ORDER MASS DEPORTATIONS/ USE SOLDIERS AGAINST CITIZENS/ ABANDON ALLIES/
PLAY POLITICS WITH DISASTERS/ BELIEVE HIM.” And then, inside the section,
the paper provided the receipts: Trump’s own words outlining his fascist
plans. “BELIEVE HIM,” the paper said.

On CNN’s State of the Union this morning, host Jake Tapper refused to
permit Trump’s running mate, Ohio senator J.D. Vance, to gaslight viewers.
Vance angrily denied that Trump has repeatedly called for using the U.S.
military against Americans, but Tapper came with receipts that proved the
very things Vance denied.

Trump’s rally at Madison Square Garden began in the early afternoon. The
hateful performances of the early participants set the tone for the rally.
Early on, comedian Tony Hinchcliffe, who goes by Kill Tony, delivered a
steamingly racist set. He said, for example: “There’s literally a floating
island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. I think it’s called
Puerto Rico.” He went on: “And these Latinos, they love making babies too.
Just know that. They do. They do. There’s no pulling out. They don’t do
that. They come inside. Just like they did to our country.” Hinchcliffe
also talked about Black people carving watermelons instead of pumpkins.

The speakers who followed Hinchcliffe called Vice President Kamala Harris
“the Antichrist” and “the devil.” They called former secretary of state
Hillary Clinton “a sick son of a b*tch,” and they railed against “f*cking
illegals.” They insulted Latinos generally, Black Americans, Palestinians
and Jews. Trump advisor Stephen Miller’s claim that “America is for
Americans and Americans only” directly echoed the statement of Adolf Hitler
that "Germany is for Germans and Germans only.”

Trump took the stage about two hours late, prompting people to stream
toward the exits before he finished speaking. He hit his usual highlights,
notably undermining Vance’s argument from earlier in the day by saying
that, indeed, he believes fellow Americans are “the enemy within.”

But Trump perhaps gave away the game with his inflammatory language and
with an aside, seemingly aimed at House speaker Johnson. “I think with our
little secret we are gonna do really well with the House, right? Our little
secret is having a big impact, he and I have a secret, we will tell you
what it is when the race is over,” Trump said.

It seems possible—probable, even—that Trump was alluding to putting in play
the plan his people tried in 2020. That plan was to create enough chaos
over the certification of electoral votes in the states to throw the
election into the House of Representatives. There, each state delegation
gets a single vote, so if the Republicans have control of more states than
the Democrats, Trump could pull out a victory even if he had dramatically
lost the popular vote.

Since he has made virtually no effort to win votes in 2024, this seems his
likely plan.

But to do that, he needs at least a plausibly close election, or at least
to convince his supporters that the election has been stolen from him.
Tonight’s rally badly hurt that plan.

As Hinchcliffe was talking about Puerto Rico as a floating island of
garbage, Democratic presidential nominee Vice President Kamala Harris was
at a Puerto Rican restaurant in Philadelphia talking about her plan to
spread her opportunity economy to Puerto Rico. She has called for
strengthening Puerto Rico’s energy grid and making it easier to get permits
to build there.

After the “floating island of garbage” comment, Puerto Rican superstar
musician Bad Bunny, who has more than 45 million followers on Instagram,
posted Harris’s plan for Puerto Rico, and his spokesperson said he is
endorsing Harris.

Puerto Rican singer and actor Ricky Martin shared a clip from Hinchcliffe’s
set with his 16 million followers. His caption read: “This is what they
think of us.” Singer and actress Jennifer Lopez, who has 250 million
Instagram followers, posted Harris’s plan. Later, singer-songwriter and
actress Ariana Grande posted that she had voted for Harris. Grande has 376
million followers on Instagram. Singer Luis Fonsi, who has 16 million
followers, also called out the “constant hate.”

The headlines were brutal. “MAGA speakers unleash ugly rhetoric at Trump's
MSG rally,” read Axios. Politico wrote: “Trump’s New York homecoming sparks
backlash over racist and vulgar remarks.” “Racist Remarks and Insults Mark
Trump’s Madison Square Garden Rally,” the New York Times announced.
“Speakers at Trump rally make racist comments, hurl insults,” read CNN.

But the biggest sign of the damage the rally did was the frantic
backpedaling from Republicans in tight elections, who distanced themselves
as fast as they could from the insults against Puerto Ricans, especially.
The Trump campaign itself tried to distance itself from the “floating
island of garbage” quotation, only to be met with comments pointing out
that Hinchcliffe’s set had been vetted and uploaded to the teleprompters.

As the clips spread like wildfire, political writer Charlotte Clymer
pointed out that almost 6 million Puerto Ricans live in the states—about a
million in Florida, half a million in Pennsylvania, 100,000 in Georgia,
100,000 in Michigan, 100,000 in North Carolina, 45,000 in Arizona, and
40,000 in Nevada—and that over half of them voted in 2020.

In 1939, as about 18,000 American Nazis rallied inside Madison Square
Garden, newspapers reported that a crowd of about 100,000 anti-Nazis
gathered outside to protest. It took 1,700 police officers, the largest
number of officers ever before detailed for a single event, to hold them
back from storming the venue.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2024, 6:42 AM Bill Schlesinger via OE <
oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

> It’s hard to respond point by point to demonstrably false statements and
> charges.  COVID was so much more destructive than it needed to have been –
> largely due to Trump’s refusal to deal with the science and politicizing
> responses.  The resistance to immunizations, use of masking (common in
> other parts of the world) – well, you get the point.  Illusory claims of
> ‘greatness’ are just that.
>
>
>
> We may see a Trump victory.  And we need to be prepared to stay at the
> center, to understand that the order of things in the systems will continue
> to be a process of persons seeking to create a ‘visionary dream’ – to quote
> Bonhoeffer – and persons seeking to do what it caring and responsible.  And
> this is true whether or not we see a Trump victory. We’ll have to work in
> that world as we do now, with an understanding that we will not conquer by
> destroying an enemy but by being who we are called to be.
>
>
>
> Personally, we’ve contributed, voted, and spoken as clearly as we can in
> the networks and relationships we have.  But our ‘heroes’ aren’t the ones
> who overthrew a tyranny.  Our ‘heroes’ are those who cared and sustained
> even while marginalized and attacked.  ‘Lest Innocent Blood be Shed’ is an
> account of a village that sheltered Jews in France – and did so while being
> gentle with the Vichy forces.  That led to warnings before raids as even
> those in the Vichy regime chose to care.
>
>
>
> Again, FWIW.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2024 8:35 PM
> *To:* Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> *Cc:* w.schlesinger at pvida.net; Mari Crocker <maricrocker at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] bizarre
>
>
>
> Watching the world series, I am hit by ads similar to the post forwarded
> by Susan — 3 1/2 years in office and things didn’t get done and now they
> will —I dont know how to respond to that … help
>
> Jim Wiegel
>
> “…the long work
> of turning their lives
> into a celebration
> is not easy. Come and let us talk“.
>
> The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2024, at 5:00 PM, Mari Crocker via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
>
> Amen!  Dear friend, Bill.  Thank you for this, and many other insightful
> comments you have shared over the years.  Fond memories of the time Joe and
> I spent with your family, way back, when you were discerning your call.
> Fondly, Marilyn
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2024, at 7:22 PM, <w.schlesinger at pvida.net> <
> w.schlesinger at pvida.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> The vice-presidential candidate studied Rene Girard’s work – and betrayed
> it.  He’s taken mimetic desire (I want what I see others having) and
> scapegoating (if we get rid of ‘them’ we’ll solve our problems, so let us
> link arms and attack ‘them’) as recipes for victory instead of the driver
> for and betrayal of innocent suffering that Girard describes.
>
>
>
> Trump creates the incredibly powerful tool that ended up crucifying Jesus
> – and in so doing, disclosed the horror and emptiness of that for the
> future.  And as has been seen, when one ‘they’ has been disposed, the tool
> must find another – and turns on itself in a cannibalistic process of
> eating its own.  Thus the ‘RINO’ charge.
>
>
>
> Rubbing raw the sores of discontent can lead to this kind of destruction –
> and in an angry rejection of other values. Attacking it in kind only
> strengthens the method. Unfortunately, innocent suffering is the only tool
> that stops it – at cost.  Thus the nonviolence movements of Gandhi and MLK
> Jr. and others…
>
>
>
> My two cents.
>
>
>
> Bill Schlesinger
>
>
>
> *From:* OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> *On Behalf Of *Mari Crocker
> via OE
> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2024 5:06 PM
> *To:* Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> *Cc:* Mari Crocker <maricrocker at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] bizarre
>
>
>
> Hi W.J and other colleagues
>
>
>
> I appreciate your analysis, and would add to your assessment of a
> “cultural backlash against cultural change” and “the perpetuation of the
> ancient archetype of female subservience,” the side-effects (like those of
> a deleterious drug)  of "the abused woman syndrome".
>
>
>
> My sister typifies the abused woman, who continued to submit to abuse by
> “staying in the marriage for the sake of the kids", and when she shook
> loose of marital abuse, she submitted to abuse by her sons, who of course
> learned from the role model of their father.  One son did it by direct
> physical and emotional demeaning; the other by distancing himself
> geographically and abdicating any “hands-on” support to his mother when she
> was diagnosed with dementia, save for an occasional phone call.
>
>
>
> However, despite her dementia, my sister cast her absentee ballot for
> Kamala.  Even with dementia she saw the light.
>
>
>
> Marilyn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2024, at 5:45 PM, W. J. via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> We're in the closing days of the most bizarre U.S. election campaign in my
> memory. According to Barack, N.C. Lt. Gov. Robinson, the Repugnant
> candidate for governor, is a self-described "Black Nazi" who wants to bring
> back slavery.
>
> I know that one's hard to beat!
>
> But it gets worse!
>
> Robinson will be defeated on November 5, rather than riding into the
> governor's mansion on the coattails of Trump's predicted N.C. victory.
>
> But here's what's worse:
>
> Trump could narrowly win in the electoral college while losing the popular
> vote.
>
> Or he could narrowly lose the election, refuse to concede, and contest the
> election by casting doubt on its legitimacy and creating chaos in the
> electoral college, throwing the election to the House of Representatives.
>
> The critical voter block that will guarantee either outcome are female
> Trump voters, almost all of whom are white, and most of whom are not
> college graduates and are predominantly postmenopausal.
>
> This raises what is for me a burning question: why would *any woman* vote
> for Trump?
>
> And especially any woman who could conceive?
>
> Why would any woman not deeply understand that she is personally under
> threat the second *any other woman* is personally under threat?
>
> As well as being a member of a large group that is now directly under
> attack?
>
> I just don't get it.
>
> So, given the racial and gender gap in the American electorate, even if
> *every* white male voted for Donald Trump, he would *have to lose* if
> every female plus every person of color voted for Kamala. Right?
>
> Based on this logic, the reality that I just can't predict that Trump will
> lose is deeply disturbing.
>
> So I've tried to plumb the mystery of why *any* female (including my
> sister, who has voted for Trump twice before) would be determined to vote
> for Trump despite all the indisputable evidence that electing Trump in 2024
> would be disastrous.
>
> I think it comes down to this: *a cultural backlash against global change
> that is perceived as both virtually inevitable and threatening to the
> survival of their traditional female gender identity roles.*
>
> This perception of a diffuse but global threat to their sense of security
> in their traditional sense of self can lead female Trump voters to
> unconsciously self-destructive behavior, in that they can vote for Trump
> while at the same hating him personally as the embodiment of a threatening
> male dominance that they have had to put up with in their intimate familial
> relationships.
>
> In short, females voting for Trump perpetuate the ancient archetype of
> female subservience.
>
> In my humble opinion!
>
> So why are any female voters so profoundly stuck in this personal dilemma?
> Of rebelling against the dominance of a male establishment by voting for a
> fascist wanna-be dictator who exudes a shrunken and impotent sense of male
> dominance while he attacks the American Constitution?
>
> Perhaps those of you who are female can see more deeply into this
> contradiction than I can manage.
>
> The best I can suggest is to place this existential disturbance somewhere
> in the area of "cultural impoverishment", and perhaps in the category of
> being "spiritually vulnerable" to what we used to call "brainwashing". And
> thus resistant to reality-based messages that contradict personal beliefs
> that are determined by a myth system.
>
> I invite your responses.
>
> And if you're a registered voter, don't neglect to vote!
>
>
>
> Marshall
>
>
>
> Finally, I just can't get why any woman in our group would insist on
> trashing Kamala. Yet here's what Susan Fertig posted on Facebook:
>
>
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>
>
> P.S. Maybe Trump thinks of the electoral college as another iteration of
> Trump University! A scam he can manipulate to get what he wants.
>
>
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