[Oe List ...] Question about Kierkegaard

[Nancy Trask]

Thank you, all of you, for your musings on this — I greatly appreciate the
reminders.

BTW, I was once wearing an Order t-shirt with the SK quote on it, and was
stopped by a student so he could write it down, and was thanked profusely
for giving him a breakthrough on writing a paper.

Nancy Trask

On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 9:02 AM Bill Schlesinger via OE <
oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

> BTW – which I do and don’t do periodically, so yes to ‘Yes and No,’ and
> ‘No and Yes.’
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> *From:* w.schlesinger at pvida.net <w.schlesinger at pvida.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 10, 2024 8:00 AM
> *To:* 'Order Ecumenical Community' <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> *Cc:* 'W. J.' <synergi at yahoo.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [Oe List ...] Question about Kierkegaard
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> That’s how I read it:
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> Relationships are a given – objective.
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> How I feel about them happens – reflective
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> Yes/No to the life I have (all of it – past/present/open future)
> decisional
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> In the light of the power that posits the self – yes to way life is as a
> whole and accepting of the YES life affirms in my being.
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> Bill Schlesinger
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> *From:* OE <oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net> *On Behalf Of *W. J. via OE
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 9, 2024 6:20 PM
> *To:* Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> *Cc:* W. J. <synergi at yahoo.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] Question about Kierkegaard
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> I associate the famous SK quote with Joe Pierce, who used the
> self-reflective arrows showing the relation we take to the boxes that box
> us in -- to interpret SK (as far as I got it way back in the Dark Ages of
> RS-1 pedagogy) as saying that the Self is a self-conscious embracing (or
> the failure/conscious or unconscious decision NOT to embrace! -- which is
> the abandonment of the possibility of fully being one's Self!) of the
> givenness of "consciousness of consciousness  of consciousness" which is
> the Decisional level of being willing to have fully and without reservation
> the god damned life that you've been given and have showed up with in the
> body that you embody.
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> Or something like that.
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> Sometimes I think that Pierce & Company were *interpreting* SK and
> putting their own spin on what he meant with his quote. So if SK cracked
> open the door, we grabbed his insight and charged through it like a mighty
> army.
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> Or something like that.
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> Marshall
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> On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 07:27:29 PM EDT, Don Bushman via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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> I wonder if this quote is the source of the accountability answer of "Yes
> and No" or "No and Yes"?
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> 828-292-9696
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> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 5:12 PM Judi White via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
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> Fear and Trembling and the Sickness Unto Death was translated into English
> in 1941. When he 1st published it and otherbooks about the Self, he was
> illuminating the inner landscape (reflective, interpretive) ignored by the
> style of teacing and sermonizing of the times(objective) esp. Literal
> interpretation of the rich mythology of the scriptures. John Cok, shuffled
> it all and added Decisional while teaching courses onthe West Side. I can
> see where SK opened the door for psychiatry to develop in the previous
> century.  Judi
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> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:54 PM Judi White <judiwhite070 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Really?
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> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:37 PM James Wiegel via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
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> I keep remembering "The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself;
> and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the
> power that posits it."
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> And I remember the diagram with the lines and boxes and curvy arrows.
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> Where did that come from (which book or paper?). What was SK pointing to?
> What were we pointing to?
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> I am afeared that I am misusing it.
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> Thanks.
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> Jim Wiegel
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