<div dir="auto">Thank you, all of you, for your musings on this — I greatly appreciate the reminders. <br clear="all"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">BTW, I was once wearing an Order t-shirt with the SK quote on it, and was stopped by a student so he could write it down, and was thanked profusely for giving him a breakthrough on writing a paper.</div></div></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto">Nancy Trask</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 9:02 AM Bill Schlesinger via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_3526026908812382203WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">BTW – which I do and don’t do periodically, so yes to ‘Yes and No,’ and ‘No and Yes.’<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_3526026908812382203WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net" target="_blank">w.schlesinger@pvida.net</a> <<a href="mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net" target="_blank">w.schlesinger@pvida.net</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 10, 2024 8:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Order Ecumenical Community' <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> 'W. J.' <<a href="mailto:synergi@yahoo.com" target="_blank">synergi@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Oe List ...] Question about Kierkegaard<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">That’s how I read it:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Relationships are a given – objective.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">How I feel about them happens – reflective<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Yes/No to the life I have (all of it – past/present/open future) decisional <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">In the light of the power that posits the self – yes to way life is as a whole and accepting of the YES life affirms in my being.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Bill Schlesinger<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> OE <<a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>W. J. via OE<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 9, 2024 6:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> Order Ecumenical Community <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> W. J. <<a href="mailto:synergi@yahoo.com" target="_blank">synergi@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Oe List ...] Question about Kierkegaard<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I associate the famous SK quote with Joe Pierce, who used the self-reflective arrows showing the relation we take to the boxes that box us in -- to interpret SK (as far as I got it way back in the Dark Ages of RS-1 pedagogy) as saying that the Self is a self-conscious embracing (or the failure/conscious or unconscious decision NOT to embrace! -- which is the abandonment of the possibility of fully being one's Self!) of the givenness of "consciousness of consciousness of consciousness" which is the Decisional level of being willing to have fully and without reservation the god damned life that you've been given and have showed up with in the body that you embody. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Or something like that.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Sometimes I think that Pierce & Company were <i>interpreting</i> SK and putting their own spin on what he meant with his quote. So if SK cracked open the door, we grabbed his insight and charged through it like a mighty army.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Or something like that.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Marshall <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div id="m_3526026908812382203yahoo_quoted_0813956226"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 07:27:29 PM EDT, Don Bushman via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div id="m_3526026908812382203yiv8208153920"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">I wonder if this quote is the source of the accountability answer of "Yes and No" or "No and Yes"?<br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><img border="0" width="96" height="77" style="width:1.0in;height:.8in" id="m_3526026908812382203_x0000_i1025" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zOIu3LEC6MFTWTu0KY7E502yfIl5gyrUcU9KlzwS-rSnRYeib0f_TPP7f9TiS5-tpufMUq26vAwWag"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><img border="0" width="96" height="96" style="width:1.0in;height:1.0in" id="m_3526026908812382203_x0000_i1026" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4wgIOy7oWy3z_VRwzsBpODEX3NNQ9JDo77bNqvSsjWJ9GswXJj_6KMPdFE-dzLVIcOLFPbwXCt5GgEQ"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">828-292-9696<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div id="m_3526026908812382203yiv8208153920yqtfd68805"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 5:12 PM Judi White via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">Fear and Trembling and the Sickness Unto Death was translated into English in 1941. When he 1st published it and otherbooks about the Self, he was illuminating the inner landscape (reflective, interpretive) ignored by the style of teacing and sermonizing of the times(objective) esp. Literal interpretation of the rich mythology of the scriptures. John Cok, shuffled it all and added Decisional while teaching courses onthe West Side. I can see where SK opened the door for psychiatry to develop in the previous century. Judi<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:54 PM Judi White <<a href="mailto:judiwhite070@gmail.com" target="_blank">judiwhite070@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">Really?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:37 PM James Wiegel via OE <<a href="mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">I keep remembering "The self is a relation; that relates itself to itself; and in willing to be that relation; grounds itself transparently in the power that posits it."<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">And I remember the diagram with the lines and boxes and curvy arrows.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">Where did that come from (which book or paper?). What was SK pointing to? What were we pointing to?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">I am afeared that I am misusing it.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">Jim Wiegel</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">“We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ </span><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">Stephen Hawking</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">_______________________________________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net&source=gmail-imap&ust=1721175897000000&usg=AOvVaw16aKZovTT9ecybvE8vp0vI" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">_______________________________________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net&source=gmail-imap&ust=1721175897000000&usg=AOvVaw16aKZovTT9ecybvE8vp0vI" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div id="m_3526026908812382203yqtfd11293"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#26282a">_______________________________________________<br>OE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">OE@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><br><a href="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net&source=gmail-imap&ust=1721175897000000&usg=AOvVaw16aKZovTT9ecybvE8vp0vI" target="_blank">http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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