[Oe List ...] Have you been watching the Vietnam series on PBS?

Wed Sep 27 10:07:56 PDT 2017

Yes

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:06 AM, William Schlesinger <
w.schlesinger at pvida.net> wrote:

>  So, now that you know that we're here, you want a response?
>
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> On Sep 27, 2017 6:31 AM, "Herman Greene via OE" <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Last night there was the story of Kent State. I knew the broad outlines
>> but learned the story in a new way. I wasn't even aware of the burning of
>> the ROTC building or the ruthlessness of the Ohio Governor or that all the
>> Guardsmen had live bullets.
>>
>> My wife remembers some of this from television. I said to her we didn't
>> watch television very much (right?), so we missed a lot of what others were
>> seeing. And yet we had a front row seat to the drama as well when it was
>> played out in 5th City and Chicago.
>>
>> In my mind I thought 5th City was my Vietnam (better than Trump's). Now I
>> see being a soldier in Vietnam was altogether different. Being a civilian
>> in Vietnam was altogether different from the violence we experienced. Being
>> a member of the Viet Cong, the South Vietnam army or the North Vietnam army
>> was altogether different. And being a prisoner of war in North Vietnam is
>> beyond my tragic imagination.
>>
>> I was struck in the series that one poll found that 64% agreed with the
>> way the protesters were treated at the Chicago convention and 58% agree
>> with the way the National Guard handled Kent State. I feel I have been
>> living in a bubble. What to me is the underbelly of America that propelled
>> Nixon and Reagan and now Trump to victory may not be the underbelly at all.
>>
>> Even my generation that grew up in the 60s and were in these marches and
>> protests is not so progressive now.
>>
>> In last night's series the back and forth between Woodstock and Vietnam
>> was so moving. We hippies and New Left people were so far removed from the
>> reality of Vietnam. So many of the privileged in the US were able to avoid
>> the war. I was a 1st LT in the reserves after completing ROTC and was on
>> deferment. I became ordained and was able to resign. I received an
>> honorable discharge. That's my story.
>>
>> Herman
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:32 AM, James Wiegel via OE <
>> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Aiee, another episode tonight, and more material available on the pbs
>>> website.  Herman, I recall going down to Lincoln Park one evening and there
>>> were a lot of activists there and someone was explaining about "guerrilla
>>> theater".
>>>
>>> With morning collegiums, daily office, scripture news conversations,
>>> teaching school, guild and division meetings, summer programs, security,
>>> enablement, eg structures, ecclesiola, some social life(Pat and Joe's,
>>> etc.) and week II assignments, either I was preoccupied or blocked out a
>>> whole lot of the drama of the Vietnam War.  Wasn't the moon landing in
>>> there someplace as well?
>>>
>>> What I am marveling at is the way in which our country went in, got
>>> sucked in, and kept digging deeper, and of course the killing.
>>>
>>> Oh, and I got the email where you asked if anyone got the email . . .
>>> Plus the replies of all the other people who got that email.
>>>
>>> In Rob Work's book, A Compassionate Civilization, Peace and Nonviolence
>>> is one of his six ingredients, as is Participatory Governance.  Good
>>> emphases, I would say, though I cant see the technology and structures that
>>> would be required to really prevent the sort of thing we got ourselves into
>>> back then.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Wiegel
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>>> www.partnersinparticipation.com
>>>
>>> We are all apprentices in a craft where no one ever becomes a master.
>>> Ernest Hemingway
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 09:04, Herman Greene via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
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>>>
>>> (Thanks to all who let me know my email showed upon the listserve. I
>>> haven't received any responses to this message I sent, however, so I am
>>> resending.)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday night the Ken Burns series dealt with the issues of the first
>>> half of 1968, including the Tet offensive, MLK's death and the urban
>>> riots,
>>> and Bobby Kennedy's death.
>>>
>>> It brought back so many gripping memories for me. I remember the riots in
>>> Chicago and how it affected us. I remember the Collegium we held with Joe
>>> after Bobby Kennedy was killed. He asked us if we wer
>>>
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