[Oe List ...] Have you been watching the Vietnam series on PBS?

Wed Sep 27 08:06:09 PDT 2017

 So, now that you know that we're here, you want a response?

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On Sep 27, 2017 6:31 AM, "Herman Greene via OE" <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
wrote:

> Last night there was the story of Kent State. I knew the broad outlines
> but learned the story in a new way. I wasn't even aware of the burning of
> the ROTC building or the ruthlessness of the Ohio Governor or that all the
> Guardsmen had live bullets.
>
> My wife remembers some of this from television. I said to her we didn't
> watch television very much (right?), so we missed a lot of what others were
> seeing. And yet we had a front row seat to the drama as well when it was
> played out in 5th City and Chicago.
>
> In my mind I thought 5th City was my Vietnam (better than Trump's). Now I
> see being a soldier in Vietnam was altogether different. Being a civilian
> in Vietnam was altogether different from the violence we experienced. Being
> a member of the Viet Cong, the South Vietnam army or the North Vietnam army
> was altogether different. And being a prisoner of war in North Vietnam is
> beyond my tragic imagination.
>
> I was struck in the series that one poll found that 64% agreed with the
> way the protesters were treated at the Chicago convention and 58% agree
> with the way the National Guard handled Kent State. I feel I have been
> living in a bubble. What to me is the underbelly of America that propelled
> Nixon and Reagan and now Trump to victory may not be the underbelly at all.
>
> Even my generation that grew up in the 60s and were in these marches and
> protests is not so progressive now.
>
> In last night's series the back and forth between Woodstock and Vietnam
> was so moving. We hippies and New Left people were so far removed from the
> reality of Vietnam. So many of the privileged in the US were able to avoid
> the war. I was a 1st LT in the reserves after completing ROTC and was on
> deferment. I became ordained and was able to resign. I received an
> honorable discharge. That's my story.
>
> Herman
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:32 AM, James Wiegel via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
>> Aiee, another episode tonight, and more material available on the pbs
>> website.  Herman, I recall going down to Lincoln Park one evening and there
>> were a lot of activists there and someone was explaining about "guerrilla
>> theater".
>>
>> With morning collegiums, daily office, scripture news conversations,
>> teaching school, guild and division meetings, summer programs, security,
>> enablement, eg structures, ecclesiola, some social life(Pat and Joe's,
>> etc.) and week II assignments, either I was preoccupied or blocked out a
>> whole lot of the drama of the Vietnam War.  Wasn't the moon landing in
>> there someplace as well?
>>
>> What I am marveling at is the way in which our country went in, got
>> sucked in, and kept digging deeper, and of course the killing.
>>
>> Oh, and I got the email where you asked if anyone got the email . . .
>> Plus the replies of all the other people who got that email.
>>
>> In Rob Work's book, A Compassionate Civilization, Peace and Nonviolence
>> is one of his six ingredients, as is Participatory Governance.  Good
>> emphases, I would say, though I cant see the technology and structures that
>> would be required to really prevent the sort of thing we got ourselves into
>> back then.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Wiegel
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>> Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277
>> jfwiegel at yahoo.com <marilyn.oyler at gmail.com>
>> www.partnersinparticipation.com
>>
>> We are all apprentices in a craft where no one ever becomes a master.
>> Ernest Hemingway
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 09:04, Herman Greene via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>> wrote:
>>
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>> (Thanks to all who let me know my email showed upon the listserve. I
>> haven't received any responses to this message I sent, however, so I am
>> resending.)
>>
>>
>> On Sunday night the Ken Burns series dealt with the issues of the first
>> half of 1968, including the Tet offensive, MLK's death and the urban
>> riots,
>> and Bobby Kennedy's death.
>>
>> It brought back so many gripping memories for me. I remember the riots in
>> Chicago and how it affected us. I remember the Collegium we held with Joe
>> after Bobby Kennedy was killed. He asked us if we wer
>>
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