[Oe List ...] A Thought. Sorry for the delay

Thu Jun 29 15:21:23 PDT 2017

As an unreformed Calvinist (that’s intended as humor), I am absolutely committed to the doctrine of total depravity, i.e. we’re all of us screwed up; deal with it.  Teilhard and Tillich, Bonhoeffer et. al. were screwed up along with the rest of us.  Nevertheless vision emerged, and we are thankful for their gifts.  

Bill Schlesinger

From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Dharmalingam Vinasithamby via OE
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 3:57 PM
To: A.M. Noel; Order Ecumenical Community
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A Thought. Sorry for the delay

Dear Susan and Noel,

My family was directly affected by the conflict between Japan and our colonial rulers. Several of them died when the British, who fled when the Japanese invaded, sent their bombers to blow up the railway workshops in Bangsar where many of my close relatives worked and lived. I do know of the violence and cruelty inflicted by both sides on each other as well as on Malaya's population.

We should not worry about whether our discussions cause any of us to feel offended. What is important is whether we are willing to seek the truth even if it challenges the beliefs that give us comfort. You may feel the former government of your country was justified in bombing Japan. I do not. 

But I don't really want to divert our discussion into a defense or attack against the US. That is not the point I wanted to raise in my email although I admit I strayed. 

My question is whether Chardin, whom we as the Order have quoted on many occasions, was the impartial visionary we believed him to be and how that squares with the undertones of approval he seems to display in his references to the bombing of Japan and the makers of the nuclear bomb.

Dharma

On Friday, 30 June 2017, 2:32, A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Dharma, 

I wish you could have talked to my Parents or my eldest sister how it was for them during the Japanese occupation of Malaysia. 

A. M. Noel 

206-321-6274

A.M. Noel

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Dharmalingam Vinasithamby via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

I've been reading "The Future of Mankind" by Chardin

http://www.religion-online. org/showchapter.asp?title= 2287 <http://www.religion-online.org/showchapter.asp?title=2287&C=2169> &C=2169

I'm disturbed to find how he glosses over the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima. He even refers to the "bold experimenters in Arizona" and notes that "they were praying" as they experimented with the bomb. To me, that chapter supports the official fiction of the US government that they designed and used the bomb for the benefit of mankind rather than their desire to dominate and exploit other nations. Chardin's Mass on the World is moving to listen to but his position on this major event, which to me exemplifies "evil", reveals that he is either naive or is alienated from reality. Now I wonder if his mass and other poetry is one of the opiates that religion has been accused of producing.

Dharma 

On Thursday, 29 June 2017, 23:42, via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

I watched an hour-long interview of Thomas Berry re Teilhard's philosophy. He said his theology was the greatest turning point since Paul, AND that Teilhard did not see mankind in communion with the rest of creation, but as the dominant party. I didn't state it as well as Thomas did, but you can find it by following links.

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From: Ellie Stock via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
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Was he not referring to the internal Spirit fire?

Ellie

elliestock at aol.com 

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From: Dharmalingam Vinasithamby via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
To: James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com>; Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 28, 2017 5:08 pm
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Did Teilhard glorify the atomic bomb?

Just watched that very powerful video and went through the links  that followed till I came to this very disturbing statement: After the Bikini test, Teilhard exclaimed that the new bombs “show a humanity which is at peace both internally [217] and externally.” And he added beatifically, “they announce the coming of the spirit on earth.” 

Would like to hear from those who have studied his works.

Dharma

On Thursday, 29 June 2017, 3:28, James Wiegel via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Here is a summary video of the mass on the world,, i. Also sent a more readable pdf

https://youtu.be/wi_BanRDJfM

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This Is Just To Say
BY WILLIAM CARLOS WILLIAMS
I have eaten
the plums
that were in
the icebox

and which
you were probably
saving
for breakfast

Forgive me
they were delicious
so sweet
and so cold

On Jun 21, 2017, at 13:42, Judi White <sophiacircle at gmail.com> wrote:

Is it possible to write the  gist of this for thee eyes which cannot read that?
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>See attached Mass on the World.  We are stopping by Margaret's on Friday (God willing and the van don't break down).  Maybe we can play with this.
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>>would fit with Chardin's "mass on the world", he recommended daily . . .
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>>Hello Margaret,
>>What a fine idea..
>>I would be glad to participate in such a ritual.
>>Thankyou 
>>In peace and love,
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>>On 21 Jun 2017, at 11:48 am, Margaret Aiseayew via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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>>John asked this question:
>>What rites and celebrations are appropriate to a dispersed body?
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>>I have to wonder if in honor of the one planet on which we live, we might should celebrate, each in our own way, the solstices and equinoxes.
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>>If you can think of nothing to ponder in your celebration, consider that the music of the hymn “For All the Saints” is titled Sine Nomine (Latin for without a name).  It always enhances for me the mystery of my many colleagues around the world and all the change they foment.
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