[Oe List ...] Adam, is it your birthday?
Adam Thomson via OE
oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
Tue Nov 8 02:07:47 PST 2016
Yes, dear Jim - it was my 78th birthday yesterday
Monday Nov 7th - and you don't realise (actually
I am sure you do...) what a cheering boost your
message was for me in the midst of all this
political horror in the US, and also in the UK (with "Brexit").
(How did you guess?)
Thoughtful actions such as yours, as we all know,
make the difference, sometimes, between success
and failure, between despair and hope.
Bless you, Jim - and very many thanks.
Yours, Adam - in Dover, England.
END OF MESSAGE
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>From: Adam Thomson via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>To: Milan Hamilton <mellowmilan2 at gmail.com>;
>'Susan Fertig' <sfertig at blueskytech.us>; 'Order
>Ecumenical Community' <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>;
>'A.M. Noel' <anthonymarianoel at gmail.com>
>Cc: 'Order Ecumenical Community' <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 2:54 AM
>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan
>
> From Adam Thomson, Dover UK.
>
>Y'all might be interested in this searing
>article in today Monday's Guardian newspaper
>triggered by current concern over misogyny as it applies to HRC.
>
>I felt in shreds by the time I had finished
>reading it - but I was glad that I had come across it.
>
><https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/06/hillary-clinton-white-house-donald-trump-bullying-barbara-kingsolver>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/06/hillary-clinton-white-house-donald-trump-bullying-barbara-kingsolver
>
>Barbara Kingsolver is an American novelist,
>essayist and poet - that's all I know. Maybe someone on the list knows of her.
>
>Love to all, Adam
>
>END OF MESSAGE
>
>
>
>In times of stress my beloved colleagues do come
>through with some stunning rehearsals in textual
>form of our reason for being what we are. That's
>why, after all these years, I still treasure
>this particular Order Ecumenical Community site.
>(I hope we don't discontinues this site soon,
>since I don't do to the social media sites).
>
>I couldn't have put the case better than Milan,
>A.M. Noel, and Randy have: however, I am
>reminded that it's not a question of shutting anyone out.
>
>Susan still seems to be missing the point by
>saying rather plaintively "I won't be offended
>if you ask me to remove you from my emails." Of
>course I don't want Susan to remove me from her emails.
>
>And also, Susan is missing the point by
>reproducing a political cartoon: how does that
>reinforce a particular message, or otherwise?
>
>As always, the issue is engagement. We wouldn't
>be having this somewhat strained conversation if
>we had not been subjected to this very
>particular US Presidential Election - and having
>said that, it surely is a positive for us to be
>shaken out of any complacency concerning the way
>life is, and for our awareness to be increased.
>
>So I say, let us continue to keep on keeping on.
>I soak up the words of my colleagues and I am
>indeed invigorated. There is going to be lots to do.
>
>We need to deploy candour without rancour when it is needed.
>
>We need to resort to our RS1 knowledge: the Word
>is indeed offensive - but in spite of that, our
>challenge is to accept the fact that we are accepted.
>
>Love from Adam Thomson
>
>
>
>At 02:56 PM 06-11-16, Milan Hamilton wrote:
>>The hatred and vitriolic utterances that I have
>>heard coming from the Hillary haters, and to
>>have to bear it from some of those who have
>>been through the same theological and
>>sociological education that I have been exposed
>>to, is giving me pause in these days. What has
>>happened to Bonhoeffer, who would be turning
>>over in his grave, not to mention our
>>eschatological hero, JC. What has happened to
>>“innocentnt until proven guilty†and then
>>what of the eternal Word that was planted inn
>>history more than 2000 years ago, and in fact
>>has been true since the big bang? What of the
>>All is good, All is received, accepted and
>>possible? What of forgiveness? What about
>>leaving the judgment to One, and only One,
>>capable of judgment. What of the “those who
>>careâ†as neither belonging to the
>>establishment nor the dis-establishment? The
>>trans-establishment? I wonder if all that work
>>we did is now lost on us? I for one will go to
>>bed Tuesday night, celebrating our first woman
>>President, or lamenting the ignorance of our
>>citizenry (and I mean ignorance not in the
>>derogatory fashion, but in its more literal and
>>historic meaning) in electing The Donald. But I
>>will not arise on Tuesday and move to Canada or
>>Mexico. We endured 8 years of the wrong
>>decisions of the Bush administration and we
>>will survive four (hopefully), or eight if
>>necessary of the alternative. This election
>>should be a wake-up call to all who value
>>freedom and the weird form of democracy that is
>>our Republic. Peace, Peace, even when there is no Peace!
>>
>>Milan Hamilton
>>Aka Mellowmilan
>>80 North Center Street
>>Redlands, CA 92373
>>909-735-5163 (H)
>>909-556-5815 (M)
>>E-mail: <mailto:mellowmilan2 at gmail.com>mellowmilan2 at gmail.com
>>Blog: <http://www.mellowmilan.blogspot.com/>www.mellowmilan.blogspot.com
>>Blog 2:
>><http://www.mellowmilansite.wordpress.com/>www.mellowmilansite.wordpress.com
>>
>>
>>
>>From: OE [
>>mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Susan Fertig via OE
>>Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 6:38 PM
>>To: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel at gmail.com>;
>>Order Ecumenical Community
>><oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>; Adam Thomson <adam.thomson007 at btinternet.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan
>>
>>[]
>>
>>
>>Susan
>>
>>Susan Fertig-Dykes
>>(personal email account)
>>
>>And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and
>>satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11
>>
>>
>>Protect against email address harvesting:
>>Use "BCC" when sending to multiple addresses;
>>delete senders̢۪ E-Mail addresses when
>>forwarding. NOTE: I won̢۪t be offended if you
>>ask me to remove yo you from my emails.
>>
>>
>>From: OE [
>>mailto:oe-bounces at lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of A.M. Noel via OE
>>Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 10:26 AM
>>To: Adam Thomson
>><<mailto:adam.thomson007 at btinternet.com>
>>adam.thomson007 at btinternet.com>; Order
>>Ecumenical Community <<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>oe at lists.wedgeblade.net >
>>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan
>>
>>Dear Colleages,
>>History is once again being created by the very
>>first women president in the USA. The world has
>>been wiating for this moment and she is the
>>Best and the most caring human being in spite
>>of her mistakes. Linda and I have moved to the
>>city of contribution (DC). We are all ready
>>begun with theChicago cubs winning the world
>>series and Hillary soon wining the,
>>Ceelebrattion time come on Lets celebrate and have the best time. .
>>A.M. Noel
>>206-321-6274
>>
>>A.M. Noel
>>
>>On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Adam Thomson
>>via OE <<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>oe at lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote:
>> From Adam Thomson, Dover in the UK,
>>As one who originally consciously and
>>physically joined the Spirit Movement in 1972,
>>I have been stimulated by the responses in this
>>stream - especially from Jaime, Dharma and Randy.
>>I was also negatively stimulated by Susan
>>Fertig's comments concerning HRC, and applauded Randy's posting on that.
>>I had been struck by Susan's comments that
>>revealingly included, "I've heard for years
>>about this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I
>>truly hope it's not true. It would be a
>>horrible embarrassment to the movement."
>>I have to say that Sue Fertig - even after many
>>years - still has not grasped what the
>>"movement" is about, at least in part: as the
>>Spirit Movement - as the forgiven ones - we are
>>not "embarrassed" by the actions or otherwise
>>of anyone allegedly or otherwise connected with it.
>>As it happens, I am still smarting from Susan's
>>outrageous comments, including alleging that HRC was a criminal.
>>And then, last night (Wednesday) in the UK, I
>>happened to see Michael Moore's most recent
>>short film, "Michael Moore in Trumpland", which cheered me up no end.
>>I STRONGLY recommend people see this. Michael
>>Moore was filmed doing a one-hour stand-up
>>routine in Wilmington OH before an audience of
>>committed HRC-haters, and the result was
>>fascinating. Michael certainly put HRC's
>>alleged past into a perspective that was helpful to me.
>>By the way - our daughter Mary (born July 4
>>1978 at Weiss Memorial Hospital in Chicago) has
>>taken great pains to exert her right to a VOTE
>>as a US citizen (for the first time!), and she
>>posted off her absentee ballot yesterday. I'm
>>not telling anybody how she voted...
>>Do try and see "Michael Moore in Trumpland",
>>ASAP. It's a tremendous documentary.
>>Love to all, Adam Thomson
>>END OF MESSAGE
>>"At 12:31 PM 03-11-16, via OE wrote:
>>Thanks for this very helpful insight,
>>Dharma. As we are consumed with the rancor
>>between left and right in this country, the
>>broader view calls us to consider what issues
>>deserve our attention when it comes to being
>>compassionate and responsible world citizens.
>>
>>Catherine Welch, Denver
>>
>>From: <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>Dharmalingam Vinasithamby via OE
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:16 PM
>>To: <mailto:LCHockley at gmail.com>Len Hockley ;
>><mailto:laurelcg at aol.com>laurelcg at aol.com ;
>><mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>Order
>>Ecumenical Community ;
>><mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>Order Ecumenical Community
>>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's
>>relationship to E.I. -Dear Susan
>>
>>As an outsider, being in the Order/ICA gave me
>>a close-up view of the US and how its citizens
>>related to it. In all those years, beginning
>>with Nixon all the way up to Obama, I’ve
>>seen it in invade and destroy nations around nd
>>the world, releasing waves of refugees and
>>other miseries. But within the US, people
>>lived in a cocoon that helped them avert their
>>eyes. I remember the Vietnam war protesters and
>>the many young people who fled the US in order
>>not to be driven to kill “gooksâ€
>>overseas. I noticed that at at best, we were
>>silent on this and at worst, disapproving. When
>>I look back, I see that the protesters were the
>>“sensitive e and responsive†€ part
>>that Niebuhr wrote about. I also noticed the
>>hunger among us to cite links to famous figures
>>while pointing out that to live in the “no
>>longer and t the e not-yet†was to be
>>“nobodies†. PerhPerhaps this was was
>>the effect of consuming the stories meant for
>>our framing and fund-raising strategies.
>>
>>I see that same hunger now reflected in
>>recalling some distant crossing of trails with
>>Hillary Clinton. Americans have been set up by
>>the political elite to adopt positions around
>>two equally ugly candidates put before them for
>>the exercise of their “democrcratic
>>rights†€ . . For all the emotions the
>>Republican-Democrat tension evokes in our
>>emails, election after election, that rivalry
>>is a sham. This is a nation ruled by a
>>“single party with two o factionsÃs†.
>>Whichever you praise or denigrate, the real
>>owners of the land always win. And for the rest
>>of us around the world, we can only wait for
>>the light from this “beacon on n the
>>hill†to eventually fade. Then, perhaps,
>>the UUS will take its place as an ordinary
>>member in the community of nations.
>>
>>Dharma
>>On Wednesday, 2 November 2016, 7:33, Len
>>Hockley via OE
>><<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>oe at lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote:
>>Dido Jon, The Naked Now by Richard Rohr is required reading!
>>Len Hockley
>>On 11/1/2016 2:58 PM, via OE wrote:
>>Love this, Jon. Thanks.
>>
>>Jann
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:
>><mailto:jonzondo at juno.com>jonzondo at juno.com via
>>OE <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
>>To: isobeljimbish
>><mailto:isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au>mailto:isobeljimbish at optusnet.com.au;
>>oe <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
>>Cc: oe <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
>>Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2016 1:37 pm
>>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's
>>relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan
>>Dear Group.
>>Jon Elizondo here. Son of Tony and Ellery.
>>Long time "Order kid" and short time Order adult.
>>This conversation is very important, especially with all the perspectives.
>>I will try to hone in now on one of my key points.
>>The change needed in the system is huge. Our
>>current system is incredible broken in so many
>>ways. We are a first world country
>>"purposefully" going backwards by not investing
>>in our infrastructure nor in our people.
>>In my observation and opinion, much of the
>>national frustration shows itself in the desire
>>to elect Trump, or Bernie, or any
>>alternative. The "Cry" for change is massive, and will not let up.
>>
>>One of the traps is either/or thinking.
>>
>>one of the ways forward is both/and/plus-more thinking.
>>
>>One of the traps is "personal attacks".
>>
>>one of the ways forward is "come join us at the table".
>>
>>What I know in my bones is that we are all
>>connected. That mysterious truth, combined
>>with my passion & respect, is my key to intentionally moving forward.
>>
>>Walk in Beauty,
>>Jon
>>
>>---------- Original Message ----------
>>From: Isobel Bishop via OE
>><<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>oe at lists.wedgeblade.net >
>>To: Wilson Priscilla H
>><<mailto:pris at teamtechpress.com>pris at teamtechpress.com
>> >, Order Ecumenical Community
>><<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>oe at lists.wedgeblade.net >
>>Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Clinton's
>>relationship to E.I. - Dear Susan
>>Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 07:23:32 +1100
>>Thankyou for this conversation, colleagues. I appreciate the
>>Honesty, pain and fear expressed in
>>depth,to give us outsiders some real hope.
>>Thankyou all.
>>In peace and love,
>>Isobel
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>On 2 Nov 2016, at 7:02 am, Wilson Priscilla H
>>via OE <<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>oe at lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote:
>>No one has said that better, Randy. You should
>>put that on Facebook
so we can all copy your words.
>>Priscilla Wilson
>>
>>On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Joyce Sloan via OE
>><<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>oe at lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote:
>>Well said, Randy!!
>>
>>On Nov 1, 2016 2:20 PM, "Randy Williams via OE"
>><<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>oe at lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote:
>>I keep asking, but still have not seen, one
>>shred of verifiable evidence to substantiate
>>the charge that Hillary has committed a
>>criminal act of any sort. She's made serious
>>mistakes like with the private server, she has
>>not been as transparent as she could and
>>perhaps should have been, she got paid a lot of
>>money for some speeches (but less than some
>>men), she's flip-flopped on some positions
>>she's taken like on TPP, she has a
>>super-healthy ego (an asset for a man but a
>>huge liability for a woman in our culture), she
>>didn't play nice when she was First Lady trying
>>to get health care passed, as Secretary of
>>State she traveled the world and spoke truth to
>>power like the Premier of China, and after much
>>gut-wrenching deliberation and prayer she chose
>>to stay true to her vow to her husband of "for
>>better or worse" through "worse." And to add
>>insult to injury, she decided to run to be the
>>first woman in the Office of President of the
>>United States. How dare she. Despise her for
>>all those things and hate all her positions on
>>the issues, but don't accuse her of being a
>>criminal unless you have some rock solid proof
>>that hours and years and millions of dollars
>>worth of hearings, investigations and witch
>>hunts by scores of government agencies, news
>>media and nondescript malcontents have been
>>unable to produce. I've heard the rumors,
>>innuendos, exaggerations, conjecture, gross
>>distortions and outright lies, everything but
>>verifiable truth. Got any? Then let's have it.
>>But double check your sources before you put it
>>out there because there really are some
>>malingering, deplorable liars afoot in the land
>>and a lot of fools are believing them and then
>>repeating what they heard them say and calling it truth, and it just isn't.
>>Randy
>>Sent from my iPad
>>On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Susan Fertig via
>>OE <<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>oe at lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote:
>>Trump was never my choice, and Hillary is a
>>criminal--her vision for the country is my
>>first nightmare. And Trump is just as flawed.
>>Both of them scare me to death. But neither if
>>the other candidates is really an option
>>either. I fear we're about to see this great
>>American experiment in democracy become
>>something no less evil than the many kleptocracies around the world.
>>
>>Susan
>>
>>Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid
>>On Nov 1, 2016 11:55 AM, Judi White
>><<mailto:sophiacircle at gmail.com>sophiacircle at gmail.com > wrote:
>>Well, what you wrote is what Frumper repeats
>>over and over. Mist who parrot him do support him.
>>I Personally prefer to read responses to a
>>candidates vision for this nation.
>>Also I stand firm in ny admiration which never
>>ceases, of this woman who has continued in
>>spite of the unbelievable accusations which are
>>so blown up out of the real world of truth and
>>honesty that it is cause for seriously asking "Why?".
>>Why the hell bent mission to destroy a solid
>>vision for this nation and this planet? There
>>is no other candidate who shines so brightly
>>and qualified to be an example for our children
>>and grandchildren at this time. Rightly so.
>>
>>On Nov 1, 2016 12:20 PM, "Susan Fertig via OE"
>><<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>oe at lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote:
>>How in the world did you infer that I must be a
>>Trump supporter from my message?
>>
>>Susan
>>
>>Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid
>>On Nov 1, 2016 7:56 AM, Ken Fisher
>><<mailto:kenfisher1942 at gmail.com>kenfisher1942 at gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>
>>Dear Susan,
>>
>>Writing to you as a Canadian Christian and
>>16-year Order member, I am awed by your
>>commitment to American Republicanism and
>>conservative Christianity. How in the world did
>>you spend so much time with the EI/OE/ICA
>>community and have your world view remain unaffected?
>>
>> From the perspective of Canada, we are 87%
>> supporters of HRC and the image of America she
>> represents. Probably Russia is 87% in favour of Donald.
>>
>>Each and every ‘crimeââ‚€™ that I
>>have read read about that is attributed to
>>Hillary has been most grandly committed by
>>Republicans in previous Bush administrations.
>>
>>Surely you would agree that Donald Trump is an
>>out and out racist, sexist, homophobe,
>>parochial narcissist and most of all a climate
>>change denier? HRC is none of the above.
>>Thankfully, she is responsive to both Bernie
>>and to Elizabeth. We may get out of this mess yet.
>>
>>Your phrase: "only values I see are abject
>>greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and
>>arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent
>>the law. She has done absolutely nothing to
>>improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged
>>yet claims she has in the face of all evidence
>>to the contrary.†is really the truth that thee world sees about Trump.
>>
>>I would invite you to see all that as a projection.
>>
>>Should Trump take ownership of any of the
>>above, that would be a fine moment of grace. Would you not agree?
>>
>>Margaret Atwood, (a Canadian poet, novelist,
>>literary critic, essayist, and environmental
>>activist) describes America in the midst of a
>>Salem type witch hunt. I agree. It is, at the bottom a war against women.
>>
>>While there are indeed my contradictions in
>>American society that both the Republican and
>>Democratic administrations must answer for, the
>>attached article came closest - for me - in
>>describing how the Republican voice has
>>committed itself to an ‘end d gameÃe’
>>and it would seem m that indeed, the GOP will ll ‘endââ¢â‚¬™.
>>
>>Love and best wishes to you, Susan and to all
>>Trump supporters who have been left without any
>>vision other than rebellion or depression.
>>
>>We are all responsible. Everyone.
>>
>>Ken in Canada.
>>
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>>A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die
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>>On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:03 AM, Susan Fertig via
>>OE <<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>oe at lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote:
>>
>>Values??? The only values I see are abject
>>greed, a pathological allegiance to lies, and
>>arrogant flaunting of her ability to circumvent
>>the law. She has done absolutely nothing to
>>improve the lives of the poor and disadvantaged
>>yet claims she has in the face of all evidence
>>to the contrary. I've heard for years about
>>this possible connection to EI/ICA, and I truly
>>hope it's not true. It would be a horrible embarrassment to the movement.
>>
>>Susan
>>
>>Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid
>>On Oct 31, 2016 11:22 PM, William Salmon via OE
>><<mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>oe at lists.wedgeblade.net > wrote:
>>Colleagues--
>> So many raise the question concerning
>> Hillary Clinton's relationship to E.I. I
>> decided to cast this bread upon the waters.
>> The first sign is that while I addressed it to
>> Hillary Clinton, an alternate address popped
>> up. Consequently, it may really get to her
>> attention, to that of some aid. May it be a Kool-Aid.
>> Inner Peace,
>> Bill
>>
>>Mrs. Hillary Clinton:
>> It is my prayer that this reaches you
>> concerning your experience in 5th City,
>> Chicago, or it could have been in Evanston.
>> Your Youth Director, Don Jones, must have been
>> at a training event to become known as RS-I.
>> About the same time, a large number of us
>> dedicated ourselves to this renewal movement
>> that grew from our experience in Chicago
>> Ghetto to literally embrace the world.
>> It makes me wonder if your experience
>> under his leadership influenced the values you
>> hold dear, and now wish to step onto the
>> platform of the Presidency to do for our
>> United States and for the world what was
>> embraced by the courageous citizens in 5th City.
>> You carry my prayers during this last turbulent week. You have my vote.
>> Grace and Peace,
>> Pastor William E. Salmon
>> 744 So. 10th
>> Salina, KS 67401
>> <mailto:wsalmon at cox.net>wsalmon at cox.net
>>
>>
>>
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