[Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 39, Issue 17

[David Flowers via OE]

seems to me forgiveness heals the transgressed in their offering of
forgiveness.

reconciliation is another matter.

I cannot bequeath redemption - forgiveness yes. acceptance - yes. - the
transgressors earthly redemption and reconciliation is contingent on
reparation.





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> The question of forgiveness is raised by the events of the shooting of 9
> people in a Bible class at Emmanuel AME Church in Charleston, SC.
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> Is forgiveness contingent or unconditional?  Are we to forgive seven times
> over (or 70X7) and then what?  Is forgiveness contingent on repentance? or
> on Metanoia?  Is it contingent on the perpetrator asking for forgiveness,
> giving an explanation, reasons, justifications, circumstances,
> rationalizations, mitigating considerations...Or?.  Or does he have to
> say,  "Metanoo,"  "I have had a change of heart."  "My heart has been made
> over."  No mention of the deed itself?  No act of repenting?  No apology
> even?  No defense?  Only say Metanoo, I have been transformed?  Or is even
> that needed to wipe out the deed?  To make it 'As if,  as if, it never
> happened at all?  Is the event of the deed wiped out by the event a change
> of heart?  And if there is no change of heart?  Are we still to forgive? To
> forget as if...
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> Recently, for my wife's birthday I gave my her a small package wrapped in
> plain paper.  On the wrapping I had written:  "Forgiveness Implementer -
> with Practical Applicator with instructions on the label."  Of course it
> was a 'gag gift,' a sock-filler among other such gifts for her to open.
> The item in question was a small bottle of  White Out, an item well used in
> the days of typewriters to blot out errors.  The instructions on the bottle
> were:  COVER IT.  Blot it out as if you never made the typo.  Forget about
> it and make the correction as if it never happened.  Can the past
> transgression of so heinous
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> a deed be forgotten?  Is the forgiveness enhanced by the memory and depth
> of the injury?  If so who is the benefactor of forgiveness, the perpetrator
> or the victim?
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> What happens when a perpetrator doesn't repent and shows no sign of a
> 'change of heart?'
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> I wonder if the case can be made that forgiveness, that forgiving, is
> unconditional.  Maybe that's what Jesus of Nazareth was really all about.
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David Flowers

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