[Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 40, Issue 14
David Flowers via OE
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Fri Jul 17 13:25:10 PDT 2015
I would love a copy of the aforementioned gridding workshop. I work with
asset mapping quite a lot and am clear that it directly relates to our old
gridding and stake calling activities.
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> One of the students I taught at the seminary in the Philippines wanted the
> Gridding workshop that I used. I can?t find it in my notes. Does anyone
> have a copy that I could send to him? Thanks.
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> George,
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> I looked in the Archives Online database just now.
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> There is a hardcopy of the CS3b Gridding workshop in the 6th floor
> Greenrise building.
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> Can I order a digital copy for you? It will take several days to scan a
> copy and email it to you.
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> Ask and I?ll get it done
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> PS I just searched what is there that George Holcombe authored.
> There are 31 papers. If you want to use the Archives Online prototype, it
> is easy to set you up and you can see for your self. Want to try?
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> > One of the students I taught at the seminary in the Philippines wanted
> the
> > Gridding workshop that I used. I can?t find it in my notes. Does anyone
> > have a copy that I could send to him? Thanks.
> > George Holcombe, moderator
> > 14900 Yellowleaf Tr.
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> > Mobile 512/252-2756
> > wbneighbors at gmail.com
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> Dear Ellie,
> Thank you for sharing this talk of Spong. I was in the USA during the
> Charleston time and experienced grace happening. It felt like a pivotal
> moment. I hope Spong is right.
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> Peace,
> Jeanette
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> > The Charleston Murders: The Final Battle in the Civil War?
> > It was a brutal murder of nine people in an AME Church in Charleston,
> > South Carolina. The victims, including their pastor, who was also a
> member
> > of the South Carolina State Senate, were gunned down by a racist killer
> who
> > wrapped himself in the symbols and rhetoric of the Confederacy. This was
> > not America?s first gun-related mass-murder, but this one turned out to
> be
> > dramatically different in one significant detail. On the next day, the
> > heart-broken African-American mourners confronted the murderer of their
> > loved ones. Their words to him were not of anger, blame or even revenge,
> > but only of forgiveness. That act, so beyond expectations, opened the
> > reservoirs of racial emotions, held for so long just beneath the surface
> of
> > this nation?s political life. As a result racism visibly began to die.
> > Within days politicians across the South moved to take down the
> Confederate
> > flags. The call to take this step in South Carolina was led by two
> unlikely
> > Republican legislators. One was State Senator Paul Thurmond, the son of
> > Senator Strom Thurmond, arguably America?s most noted voice of our racist
> > past; the other was Republican State Representative Jenny Horne, a direct
> > descendant of Jefferson Davis, the President of the Confederacy. The vote
> > in both Houses of the South Carolina Legislature was overwhelming,
> > suggesting that racism, implanted so deeply and for so long in the
> American
> > character, was at last dying. People have always had a hard time
> accepting
> > the fact that racism was motivating them. This sickness seems best dealt
> > with by denial or by perfuming it with pious words. Let me take a moment
> to
> > identify its continuing presence in our national life.
> > Race was the elephant in the room when Black People were counted, without
> > embarrassment or shame, as ?3/5 of a human being? in our Constitution.
> Race
> > dominated the admission of new states into the Union in the 19th century,
> > so that the balance of power would never tilt against slavery. The
> > Emancipation Proclamation issued in the midst of the Civil War, served to
> > harden the lines of resistance. When the Confederate forces were finally
> > defeated in 1865, Southern resistance did not end, it just went
> > underground. Hooded Ku Klux Klansmen became the successors to the Army of
> > Northern Virginia. Lynching, economic oppression and political
> > powerlessness became racism?s tools, and black subjugation became
> racism?s
> > goal.
> > In 1876 the electoral votes from three Southern States were in dispute in
> > the presidential contest. New York?s Democratic Governor Samuel Tilden,
> > held a 300,000 popular vote lead over Ohio?s Republican Governor
> Rutherford
> > Hayes, but he was one vote shy of victory in the Electoral College. The
> > white South saw its chance to act and the latent racism in the rest of
> the
> > nation created the willingness to co-operate. The South proposed to
> deliver
> > all of its disputed electoral votes to Hayes and thus the presidency. In
> > return the Republican nominee agreed to remove the occupying Union Forces
> > and to look the other way while segregation was installed in the South as
> > ?the law of the land.? The deal was done. Segregation was then enforced
> in
> > the South by the aggressive use of intimidation for which the Confederate
> > flag was the symbol. An overwhelmingly white voting constituency would
> then
> > send white supremacists to the Congress and Senate of the United States.
> > There, through the use of seniority and the filibuster, they would
> dominate
> > American politics and protect the ?Southern way of life.? The South then
> > gave its electoral votes to the Democratic national ticket to keep the
> > party of Lincoln at bay. It was a cozy relationship. The Democratic Party
> > was made up of four divergent blocks: the white South, the big city
> bosses,
> > the labor unions and the internationalists. The Republican Party tended
> to
> > be made up of the leaders of business, the rural and conservative
> heartland
> > of America and the isolationists. The tension between these two parties
> > dominated every national election. The Democratic Party achieved power in
> > the election of 1912, because a Third Party movement headed by the
> previous
> > Republican president Theodore Roosevelt split their party. The winning
> > Democrat was an academic, the Governor of New Jersey, Woodrow Wilson, but
> > he was also a native of Virginia, an internationalist, and one who was
> > comfortable with ?racial? politics. When the Senate refused to enter the
> > League of Nations after World War I, he was defeated. Isolationism,
> > business-oriented politics and keeping racial oppression in place then
> > elected Republicans Harding, Coolidge and Hoover to the White House in
> the
> > 1920?s.
> > The worldwide economic depression put an end to that string of victories
> > and placed New York?s Democratic Governor, Franklin D. Roosevelt, into
> the
> > White House in the election of 1932. He followed the pattern of the past
> by
> > naming a Southerner, John Nance Garner from Texas, as his vice president.
> > He was to win four terms. In 1940 the clouds of war overcame the
> > traditional pattern and liberal Henry Wallace became the new vice
> > president. In 1944, however, the war was not sufficient to suppress the
> > angry Southern Democrats, who managed to force Wallace off the ticket,
> > replacing him with a ?border state? senator, Missouri?s Harry Truman.
> > That war also destabilized the racial patterns of the past. Black
> veterans
> > returned from combat no longer content to accept powerlessness and
> > oppression. Before and after that war Southern farms began to be
> > mechanized. Black tenant farmers became redundant. A massive migration of
> > these black, disenfranchised farm workers moved into America?s great
> cities
> > in search of jobs. The core of America?s cities became black, but here
> > these black citizens began to exercise their political power and to put
> > pressure on the entire political system.
> > At the Democratic Nominating Convention of 1948 the young mayor of
> > Minneapolis, Hubert Humphrey, responding to these urban voters, mounted a
> > campaign to place a civil rights plank into the Democratic Party?s
> > platform. He succeeded. Southern Democrats, led by Governor Strom
> Thurmond
> > of South Carolina, walked out, formed a new party known as ?the
> > Dixiecrats,? which then nominated Strom Thurmond and Fielding L. Wright
> of
> > Mississippi for President and Vice President. They would carry the
> > electoral votes of four southern states. The alliance of convenience
> > between the white South and the rest of the Democratic Party began to
> > shatter. President Truman also lost the left wing of his party that year
> as
> > former vice president Henry Wallace was nominated as the candidate of the
> > newly formed Progressive Party. With no further need to ?court? the
> > southern vote, President Truman, by executive order, desegregated the
> Armed
> > Forces. He then went on to win re-election in a stunning victory.
> > In 1952 the Republicans recaptured the White House with General Dwight
> > Eisenhower of World War II fame at the head of their ticket. In his first
> > term the Supreme Court ordered the end of segregation in schools by a 9-0
> > majority. The quest for racial equality had begun. In 1960 Senator Jack
> > Kennedy of Massachusetts revived momentarily the old Democratic coalition
> > by placing Southern Senator Lynden Johnson of Texas on his ticket as Vice
> > President. The assassination of President Kennedy in Dallas in 1963 then
> > thrust this Southerner into the White House. So it was at the hand of a
> > Southern Senator, a traditional segregationist known as LBJ, that the
> Civil
> > Rights bill of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were passed into
> law.
> > The white South felt beleaguered and betrayed. Fear of black political
> > power was rampant so various laws designed to discourage black voting
> were
> > passed. Legislative redistricting lines were wildly gerrymandered to
> create
> > black districts. Give the blacks a few individual congressmen, but keep
> > solid white majorities in all the other districts was the plan. Appealing
> > to disaffected white voters, the Republican Party turned the South into a
> > solidly Republican block, by running the ?southern strategy.? Goldwater
> > tried it in 1964, but lost. Richard Nixon, however, ran it brilliantly to
> > victory in 1968 and 1972. It looked as if the nation was headed for a
> long
> > and continuous Republican majority based on racial politics. Code
> language
> > was developed. ?States? Rights? meant the Federal Government must not
> tell
> > the people how to treat black people. ?Strict constructionist judges?
> meant
> > judges who would look the other way and not force the nation to deal with
> > its racial prejudices.
> > In 2008, helped by an economic recession that brought the ghost of the
> > 1930?s depression back into our minds, this nation elected its first
> > African-American President. His vice president was a committed liberal
> from
> > Delaware. The white majority was stunned and racial politics became ?hard
> > ball? as it faced its own demise. President Obama was not legitimate,
> > voices proclaimed. He was born in Kenya. He is a Muslim. He is not ?one
> of
> > us.? We will keep him from accomplishing anything. We will wipe his
> > presence from our history by not allowing him to create a legacy. That
> was
> > the stated agenda of many. Racial profiling became obvious. ?Stand your
> > ground? gun laws were passed. The murder of black males by white police
> > officers or white vigilantes became a regular feature of our national
> life.
> > No one was indicted. Riots, demonstrations and marches inevitably
> followed.
> > It looked as if a race war might break out. The political charges became
> > more and more shrill. Then the murders of nine people in a church in
> > Charleston occurred. The perpetrator had a racist agenda. The nation
> braced
> > itself for one more racial confrontation. It did not happen, but grace
> did.
> > These black Christians through their tears extended their forgiveness to
> > the killer of their family members. Our African-American President spoke
> at
> > the funeral and led in the congregation in singing ?Amazing Grace.? They
> > were not just words. This nation had seen ?Grace? operating. It was as if
> > the boil of racism had finally been lanced and its poison flowed out of
> > perpetrator and victim alike. The battle flags of the Confederacy began
> to
> > come down across the South. Perhaps at last, some one hundred and fifty
> > years after Lee?s surrender to Grant on the fields of Appomattox, the
> final
> > shot of the Civil War had been fired. We pray that it is so. Now our task
> > is to live our dream to be ?one nation under God, with liberty and
> justice
> > for all.?
> > ~John Shelby Spong
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> > Question & Answer
> > Michael Read from Hawthorne, Victoria, Australia, writes:
> > Question:
> > I have followed with great interest your series of articles on the Gospel
> > according to Matthew, in which you set out your understanding and
> > interpretation of the metaphors and biblical references within this
> gospel.
> > I find your arguments entirely convincing.
> > As I understand what you are saying, your understanding is that this
> > story was originally written to be read by people who were familiar with
> > the Jewish Bible, and who could as a consequence understand Matthew?s
> > references and his symbols. Our later ?traditional? and ?literalized?
> > interpretations of the gospels have, in contrast, provided us with a very
> > simple, story, but one that is no longer literally believable. Matthew?s
> > narrative, however, sets out a clear objective within a simple story
> line.
> > It was therefore, easy to respond to a non-believer?s question with a
> clear
> > answer in a few brief sentences.
> > In contrast, the new way of reading the gospels appears to demand that
> > the reader bring much thoughtfulness and insight to the task. There does
> > not seem any longer to be an explanation which can be summed up with any
> > brevity or which lends itself to such powerful images as the traditional
> > story.
> > My question then is this: Is it still possible to tell this new story
> > with the simplicity and boldness of the traditional gospel reading or
> > should we approach this task differently and, if so, how might this be?
> Or
> > am I missing some point?
> > Answer:
> > Dear Michael,
> > You are not missing any point. You have stated the problem facing 21st
> > century Christians very clearly. What we must do today, however, cannot
> be
> > done by a simple re-telling of the ?old, old story.? Let me state it
> > specifically.
> > We Christians are facing the world of the 21st century armed with a
> > Bible written between 1000 BCE and 140 CE, with creeds fashioned in the
> > dualistic, Greek-thinking world of the 4th century CE and with worship
> > forms constructed primarily in the 13th century.
> > The Bible makes assumptions that we cannot make. Among these assumptions
> > are:
> > 1) God is a supernatural being, dwelling above the sky and invading the
> > world from time to time to accomplish the divine will or to answer our
> > prayers.
> > 2) Whatever we do not understand must be attributed to miraculous divine
> > intervention.
> > 3) Human life was created perfect only to fall into original sin from
> > which we must be rescued.
> > 4) Sickness and natural disasters are sent as a divine punishment for
> > our misdeeds.
> > 5) Mental sickness and epilepsy must be understood as demon possession.
> > The 4th century creeds assume that there is a gap between the human and
> > the divine and that the human cannot go to the divine, but the divine can
> > come to the human. Salvation depends on the divine doing exactly that.
> > Jesus thus becomes a ?person from outer space.?
> > Our 13th century worship forms portray God as either a punishing parent
> > or a hanging judge who confronts us with our sinfulness, making it
> > inescapable. This all-seeing God keeps a record of every misdeed, every
> > evil thought and every carnal desire. It suggests that we are to relate
> to
> > this God as a slave relates to a master, as a beggar relates to the
> source
> > of his or her next meal or as a serf relates to the Lord of the Manor. We
> > are to be on our knees and constantly in the mode of confessing, of
> facing
> > our own shortcomings and therefore of begging for mercy.
> > Unless we break out of these patterns of the past, I am convinced that
> > there will be no Christian future. The church does not have the answers
> > that it once professed to have. The certainties of yesterday are not
> viable
> > today. Christianity is a journey into the future, the unknown, a journey
> > beyond our familiar security patterns. So we relativize yesterday?s truth
> > and walk into tomorrow?s world. We cannot read the Bible the way we once
> > did, we cannot say the creeds the way we once did and we cannot worship
> the
> > way we once did.
> > We have to move and when we move, we will inevitably break open the
> > ecclesiastical forms of yesterday, but we still seek the truth to which
> > those forms once pointed so inadequately. There is after all only one
> > truth, but none of us possesses it.
> > Any church that does not confront the reality of this new world is not a
> > church that will survive. To pretend that nothing has changed is a stance
> > of disaster, but that is the stance in which most church life is lived
> > today. It is not easy to be a Christian in the 21st century. It demands
> > hard work, difficult thinking, the embracing of radical insecurity and
> the
> > possession of a faith deep enough to know that God is real and to journey
> > into the unknown in search of that reality.
> > Our task is to develop these things. It is a task only for the brave of
> > heart and for the heroes of faith. When I look at the church today, I no
> > longer see primarily a community willing to take up this challenge, what
> I
> > see is an entrenched attempt to preserve the past and to return to the
> good
> > old days of yesteryear when faith was simple and when answers were easy.
> I
> > do see increasingly in many churches, however, a small cell or core made
> up
> > of people, hopefully including the priest, pastor or congregational
> leader,
> > who recognize the problem. These people are then willing to engage it
> > despite the risk of failing and of being misunderstood by ?the faithful.?
> > It will be from that within these ?cells,? I now believe, that the future
> > of Christianity will be secured.
> > Thanks for your letter.
> > John Shelby Spong
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> > synopsis of the teachings of Jesus, as imperfect as that summary may be.
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