[Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday

H. A. Tillinghast via OE oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
Mon Dec 14 05:39:42 PST 2015 

Do the terms ORID, Art Form Method, and Art Form Conversation come into being as they intersect the triad of knowing, doing, being?

Bud

> On Dec 13, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Jo Nelson via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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> The way we teach this in our facilitation courses is that ORID is the underlying contentless thinking method, and the Focused Conversation is the tool based on it to guide a group to think clearly. 
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> On Dec 13, 2015, at 1:57 PM, James Wiegel via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
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>> A question:  Is there a useful distinction between the Art Form Method and the Art Form Conversation?
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>> From: W. J. via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
>> To: Janet Sanders <janetasanders at hotmail.com <mailto:janetasanders at hotmail.com>>; "oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>" <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 7:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] FW: I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday
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>> There is a paper by Susanne Langer in the Psychology and Art course of the RS/CS curriculum, titled 'Art as Living Form.' It was taught in the Academy (third week). It might have been a handout in CS-I as well.
>> It is not on the Golden Pathways.
>> Langer's Problems of Art is listed in 'foundational works' of the academy curriculum. Her book Philosophy in a New Key was on a longer list as I recall.
>> Marshall
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>> On Friday, December 11, 2015 8:26 PM, Janet Sanders via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
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>> I sent this out yesterday, but not certain it made it into the discussion.  Jan 
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>> From: janetasanders at hotmail.com <mailto:janetasanders at hotmail.com>
>> To: randycw1938 at gmail.com <mailto:randycw1938 at gmail.com>; laurelcg at aol.com <mailto:laurelcg at aol.com>; ica-dialogue at igc.topica.com <mailto:ica-dialogue at igc.topica.com>
>> Subject: RE: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday
>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 08:32:04 -0500
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>> Hello to all, 
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>> In 1971, I took my first course with the EI/ICA called Imaginal Education.  I walked into the empty seminar room to get a feel for the space.  As I walked around the tables all laid out so intentionally, I vividly remember thinking, "My life will never be the same." 
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>> 44 years later, I am still in dialogue with the wisdom of that gathering.  I was particularily fascinated with with was called the Art Form conversation.  At that point the pedagogues talked about it being inspired by Susan Langer's work. 
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>> It wasn't until this year that I went looking for Susan's work.  I'm attaching and also sending a link for an article of appreciation by Howard Gardner for her work.  http://www.anthonyflood.com/gardnerlanger.htm <http://www.anthonyflood.com/gardnerlanger.htm>     She was using art forms to explore the world of meaning.  
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>> From Art, Mind, and Brain: A Cognitive Approach to Creativity, New York, Basic Books, 1982, 48-54.
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>> Philosophy in a New Key Revisited: An Appreciation of Susanne Langer
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>> Janet A. Sanders
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>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 06:42:34 -0600
>> To: laurelcg at aol.com <mailto:laurelcg at aol.com>
>> CC: ica-dialogue at igc.topica.com <mailto:ica-dialogue at igc.topica.com>; oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine,	Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday
>> From: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>
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>> The art form has a lot of similarity to Dietrich Bonhoeffer's process for making responsible decisions: observe, judge, weigh-up, decide, act 
>> Randy
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>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 12:03 AM, via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
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>> In the mid-80's, Gene Marshall published a binder with different conversation and workshop methods spelled out, for use by House Churches. Think I still have my copy in the garage.
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>> Jann McGuire
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>> From: Sherwood Shankland via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
>> To: Ken Fisher <kenfisher1942 at gmail.com <mailto:kenfisher1942 at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>; ICA <ica-dialogue at igc.topica.com <mailto:ica-dialogue at igc.topica.com>>
>> Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2015 7:04 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday
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>> A few notes on "art-form" and ORID conversations...In the 60's and 70's the Ecumenical Institute and its faculty from the Faith and Life community at UT Austin, conducted conversation about the impact of works of art. Notably Picaso's Guernica - impressions of saturation bombing; and the film Requim for a Heavyweight staring Anthony Quinn as the washed up boxer who decides that even he can live his life... The focus of these two conversations was not to teach anything directly but rather to allow the participants of the RS-I (Religious Studies - I seminar) to experience their experience of the painting and the film. As pedegogs we were listening to the participants' responses for their theological views, which could guide us in guiding the following sessions of the 44 hour weekend course.
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>> I'm not sure when we formulated the ORID format - Marylin Olyer should know :-) but I associate ORID with our formalizing of facilitator skills training courses and the manuals for Group Facilitation Methods (now ToP Facilitation Methods) and Participatory Strategic Planning (now ToP Strategic Planning). Personally I think that the earlier titles / branding "GFM" and "PSP" are much more self-descriptive and clearer for marketing purposes. I suppose we could use both: "ToP - Group Facilitation Methods"; and "ToP - Participatory Strategic Planning". 
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>> Happy Holidays to All.../ Sherwood (on the road facilitating workshop on agricultural development in Kazakhstan and Kyrgykstan...back home Dec 18th.) 
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>> From: "Ken Fisher via OE" <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
>> To: "Steve Harrington" <stevehar11201 at gmail.com <mailto:stevehar11201 at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>, "ICA" <ica-dialogue at igc.topica.com <mailto:ica-dialogue at igc.topica.com>>
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 6:59:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine,        Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday
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>> Me: “Where did the art form methodology come from?
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>> David McKlesky:  “Rudolf Bultman.  This is his method of scriptural grounding.”
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>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:09 PM, steve har via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
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>> from the point of view of Imaginal Education and Imaginal Learning. 
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>> As I heard it, he asked
>> Is there a difference between an Art Form Conversation and ORID question - and- someone just mentioned a "spirit question".
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>> What is the difference between an art form conversation, an ORID conversation, a spirit question? 
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>> Jan Sanders, I know,  was recently asked by her teachers and principles at Aruba University why the conversation was called "art form" conversation. 
>> It sent her looking back into Brian Stanfield's work and Susan Langer's cultural mythology and meaning making.
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>> Does someone have a generous answer? 
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>> Steve Harrington
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