[Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday

Sat Dec 12 08:09:04 PST 2015

When the Order introduced Imaginal Education formally it was a three weekend series on the west side in … whatever year it was.
Rodney gave me the three weekends as a birthday present. 

In my experience…every thing that “we” have done since has the flow of ORID underneath it…whether we were leading a conversation…choosing a human development project or going on a development call.

I understand wanting to “name” the conversation method, but perhaps we’re thinking too small in some cases.
One of the best gifts we spread across the globe, however it is used or called.

All have a joyous, peaceful and transforming holiday time.
Priscilla 

> On Dec 11, 2015, at 4:23 PM, Beret Griffith via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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> Some more background naming conventions of conversation methods. 
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> The current best practice of ToP Network (TTN) trainers is to refer to the Focused Conversation Method which has four levels, O.R.I.D.  
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> Winning Through Participation published in 1989 refers to The Focused Conversation Method, with four levels Objective, Reflective, Interpretive, Decisional.
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> Brian Stanfield's book, The Art of Focused Conversation, 100 Ways to Access Group Wisdom in the Workplace, published in 2000, gives some background and says, "The questions have changed slightly, but the method remains the same. It is the art form method with a new name, the Focused Conversation."  (from the Introduction). 
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> Documents from Golden Pathways:
> - From an old Spirit Methods Manual    https://wedgeblade.net/gold_path/data/meth/10041501.htm <https://wedgeblade.net/gold_path/data/meth/10041501.htm>
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> - A document from summer 1972, CONVERSATION: RELATIONSHIPS/COMPARISONS https://wedgeblade.net/gold_path/data/hisj/100551.htm <https://wedgeblade.net/gold_path/data/hisj/100551.htm>  
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> - A talk: SPIRIT METHODS:Spirit, Gospels, and Psalm Conversations   https://wedgeblade.net/gold_path/data/meth/100439.htm <https://wedgeblade.net/gold_path/data/meth/100439.htm>   by George West
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> Eagerly awaiting for completion of "Getting to the Bottom of ToP" for linking in the Chronological History. 
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> Beret
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> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 6:42 AM, Randy Williams via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
> The art form has a lot of similarity to Dietrich Bonhoeffer's process for making responsible decisions: observe, judge, weigh-up, decide, act 
> Randy
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Dec 11, 2015, at 12:03 AM, via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
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>> In the mid-80's, Gene Marshall published a binder with different conversation and workshop methods spelled out, for use by House Churches. Think I still have my copy in the garage.
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>> Jann McGuire
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>> From: Sherwood Shankland via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
>> To: Ken Fisher <kenfisher1942 at gmail.com <mailto:kenfisher1942 at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: Order Ecumenical Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>; ICA <ica-dialogue at igc.topica.com <mailto:ica-dialogue at igc.topica.com>>
>> Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2015 7:04 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine, Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday
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>> A few notes on "art-form" and ORID conversations...In the 60's and 70's the Ecumenical Institute and its faculty from the Faith and Life community at UT Austin, conducted conversation about the impact of works of art. Notably Picaso's Guernica - impressions of saturation bombing; and the film Requim for a Heavyweight staring Anthony Quinn as the washed up boxer who decides that even he can live his life... The focus of these two conversations was not to teach anything directly but rather to allow the participants of the RS-I (Religious Studies - I seminar) to experience their experience of the painting and the film. As pedegogs we were listening to the participants' responses for their theological views, which could guide us in guiding the following sessions of the 44 hour weekend course.
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>> I'm not sure when we formulated the ORID format - Marylin Olyer should know :-) but I associate ORID with our formalizing of facilitator skills training courses and the manuals for Group Facilitation Methods (now ToP Facilitation Methods) and Participatory Strategic Planning (now ToP Strategic Planning). Personally I think that the earlier titles / branding "GFM" and "PSP" are much more self-descriptive and clearer for marketing purposes. I suppose we could use both: "ToP - Group Facilitation Methods"; and "ToP - Participatory Strategic Planning". 
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>> Happy Holidays to All.../ Sherwood (on the road facilitating workshop on agricultural development in Kazakhstan and Kyrgykstan...back home Dec 18th.) 
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>> From: "Ken Fisher via OE" <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>
>> To: "Steve Harrington" <stevehar11201 at gmail.com <mailto:stevehar11201 at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>>, "ICA" <ica-dialogue at igc.topica.com <mailto:ica-dialogue at igc.topica.com>>
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 6:59:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] I heard it on the grapevine,        Steve Ediger asked a compelling question yesterday
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>> Me: “Where did the art form methodology come from?
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>> David McKlesky:  “Rudolf Bultman.  This is his method of scriptural grounding.”
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>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:09 PM, steve har via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
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>> from the point of view of Imaginal Education and Imaginal Learning. 
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>> As I heard it, he asked
>> Is there a difference between an Art Form Conversation and ORID question - and- someone just mentioned a "spirit question".
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>> What is the difference between an art form conversation, an ORID conversation, a spirit question? 
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>> Jan Sanders, I know,  was recently asked by her teachers and principles at Aruba University why the conversation was called "art form" conversation. 
>> It sent her looking back into Brian Stanfield's work and Susan Langer's cultural mythology and meaning making.
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>> Does someone have a generous answer? 
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>> Steve Harrington
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