[Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 33

Tue Jun 5 03:22:50 PDT 2012

Thank you Marshall, sobeit!.
Linda Barnes

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>   1. Re: Being Black in the Order Ecumenical (McCabe, Diann A)
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> From: "McCabe, Diann A" <dm14 at txstate.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
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> I think it's not easy (esp by email) to convey the mystery of the memory
> of certain individuals and the way they moved into  and through our lives.
> I know when this thread began, I felt a tug of concern for naming names but
> then felt a rush of gratitude to say and write names and read others'
> stories. So, here's to remembering the way some people gave of their lives
> for a short or long time, and for the renewal that happened in the process,
> or didn't. Diann
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> From: Herman Greene <hfgreene at mindspring.com<mailto:
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> Not for me. These names evoke multiple levels of awareness and
> consciousness for me. They are sacred.
>
> Herman
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> On Behalf Of Mary Hampton
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:27 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
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> So Far, we have hit the objective level (naming Black Order Colleagues)
> with some 1 person reflections or reminincing about an individual our two.
>  Naming "women"  or "children" of the Order feels like a different animal,
> ballgame, kettle of fish.  Lists won't convey much to me.
>
>
> Although I do remember enjoying saying Yes to the question:  Did you grow
> up in the Order?  My fuller answer was "Yes, but I was 20 when I joined."
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> Grace, Peace, LIGHT,
>
>
> mary
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> On Jun 4, 2012, at 6:08 PM, LAURELCG at aol.com<mailto:LAURELCG at aol.com>
> wrote:
> Thank you, Marilyn. I was horrified this morning to find myself thinking,
> "What about a discussion on being a woman in the Order? A child?
>
> It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
>
> Love and blessings,
> Jann
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> In a message dated 6/4/2012 3:57:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> h-wainwright at charter.net<mailto:h-wainwright at charter.net> writes:
> Marilyn Crocker thank you for putting into words my Uneasiness.  Blessing
> for you and Joe.  Harry
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> I was surprised that the question about what it was like to be black in
> the O:E
> really was not addressed by black colleagues. Instead it became a
> conversation
> in which white people TALKED about black people, remembering their names
> and
> unique contributions.
> We didn't really articulate how critical black order members were/are to
> bailing
> us all out of our unconscious cultural reductionisms. I write, of course,
> as one
> of the "pinkies" who showed up in 5th City after the 1968 riots. It was
> absolutely essential that black colleagues in the community and in the
> Order
> gave their permission for us crazy white people to stay in 5th City. They
> claimed us as colleagues, they put up with us, they protected us, and they
> confronted us with our unconscious embodiment of white male privilege and
> racism. They grounded us in the experience of suffering in the community
> and
> joined with us in working to transcend the internalized racist stereotypes
> we
> were all struggling with. I suspect people of color in the Order had an
> often
> unacknowledged burden to bear in dealing with white male dominance.
> It wasn't just that people of color were just as totally on top of
> everything as
> the white male leadership was (in other words, comfortable operating with
> the
> rational gifts of the white Ur). More importantly, coming from another
> profound
> experience of humanness, these colleagues often surprised us in their
> freedom
> from being stuck in "white man's consciousness", so to speak.
> I'm trying to get beyond being yet another white person talking about black
> people. Several years ago I had the privilege of working with Lela Mosley,
> Ruth
> Carter, and Verdell Trice in getting the 5th City film released on DVD.
> Lela was
> at the end of her days, in and out of the hospital, and on oxygen, but she
> could
> sometimes talk with me on the phone. We were going over a list of deceased
> 5th
> Citizens whose contributions would be honored on the DVD. I would say,
> "What
> about So-and-so? Is she dead yet?" And Lela would say, "No, she's still
> kicking!" We would laugh. And it was kind of funny, you know, just to be
> standing in the Awe of all those people who had decided to give their
> lives in
> that geography. Not that they were black or white, economically advantaged
> or
> not. OR: In the Order. Or not. You get that? No difference (despite the
> difference). I tell you we will be highly privileged to join that company
> of 5th
> City Pioneers some day.
> Joe Mathews said that what he was most proud of was being a 5th Citizen.
> Not of
> being the Dean of this crummy outfit called the Order. But (I would say) of
> standing his ground and being his "be" with the profound humanness we
> discovered
> and celebrated in 5th City. And if I can have just a tiny taste of that in
> my
> privileged white man's life, and if I was able to add just the smallest
> bit to
> the 'miracles' that we all participated in creating together, I think that
> would
> be enough for me.
> Marshall Jones
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