<div>Thank you Marshall, sobeit!.</div><div>Linda Barnes<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:07 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net" target="_blank">oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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1. Re: Being Black in the Order Ecumenical (McCabe, Diann A)<br>
2. Re: Being Black in the Order Ecumenical (W. J.)<br>
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:02:24 -0500<br>
From: "McCabe, Diann A" <<a href="mailto:dm14@txstate.edu">dm14@txstate.edu</a>><br>
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I think it's not easy (esp by email) to convey the mystery of the memory of certain individuals and the way they moved into and through our lives. I know when this thread began, I felt a tug of concern for naming names but then felt a rush of gratitude to say and write names and read others' stories. So, here's to remembering the way some people gave of their lives for a short or long time, and for the renewal that happened in the process, or didn't. Diann<br>
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Not for me. These names evoke multiple levels of awareness and consciousness for me. They are sacred.<br>
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Herman<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net">oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net</a>] On Behalf Of Mary Hampton<br>
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So Far, we have hit the objective level (naming Black Order Colleagues) with some 1 person reflections or reminincing about an individual our two. Naming "women" or "children" of the Order feels like a different animal, ballgame, kettle of fish. Lists won't convey much to me.<br>
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Although I do remember enjoying saying Yes to the question: Did you grow up in the Order? My fuller answer was "Yes, but I was 20 when I joined."<br>
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Grace, Peace, LIGHT,<br>
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mary<br>
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On Jun 4, 2012, at 6:08 PM, <a href="mailto:LAURELCG@aol.com">LAURELCG@aol.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:LAURELCG@aol.com">LAURELCG@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br>
Thank you, Marilyn. I was horrified this morning to find myself thinking, "What about a discussion on being a woman in the Order? A child?<br>
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It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.<br>
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Love and blessings,<br>
Jann<br>
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In a message dated 6/4/2012 3:57:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, <a href="mailto:h-wainwright@charter.net">h-wainwright@charter.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:h-wainwright@charter.net">h-wainwright@charter.net</a>> writes:<br>
Marilyn Crocker thank you for putting into words my Uneasiness. Blessing for you and Joe. Harry<br>
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I was surprised that the question about what it was like to be black in the O:E<br>
really was not addressed by black colleagues. Instead it became a conversation<br>
in which white people TALKED about black people, remembering their names and<br>
unique contributions.<br>
We didn't really articulate how critical black order members were/are to bailing<br>
us all out of our unconscious cultural reductionisms. I write, of course, as one<br>
of the "pinkies" who showed up in 5th City after the 1968 riots. It was<br>
absolutely essential that black colleagues in the community and in the Order<br>
gave their permission for us crazy white people to stay in 5th City. They<br>
claimed us as colleagues, they put up with us, they protected us, and they<br>
confronted us with our unconscious embodiment of white male privilege and<br>
racism. They grounded us in the experience of suffering in the community and<br>
joined with us in working to transcend the internalized racist stereotypes we<br>
were all struggling with. I suspect people of color in the Order had an often<br>
unacknowledged burden to bear in dealing with white male dominance.<br>
It wasn't just that people of color were just as totally on top of everything as<br>
the white male leadership was (in other words, comfortable operating with the<br>
rational gifts of the white Ur). More importantly, coming from another profound<br>
experience of humanness, these colleagues often surprised us in their freedom<br>
from being stuck in "white man's consciousness", so to speak.<br>
I'm trying to get beyond being yet another white person talking about black<br>
people. Several years ago I had the privilege of working with Lela Mosley, Ruth<br>
Carter, and Verdell Trice in getting the 5th City film released on DVD. Lela was<br>
at the end of her days, in and out of the hospital, and on oxygen, but she could<br>
sometimes talk with me on the phone. We were going over a list of deceased 5th<br>
Citizens whose contributions would be honored on the DVD. I would say, "What<br>
about So-and-so? Is she dead yet?" And Lela would say, "No, she's still<br>
kicking!" We would laugh. And it was kind of funny, you know, just to be<br>
standing in the Awe of all those people who had decided to give their lives in<br>
that geography. Not that they were black or white, economically advantaged or<br>
not. OR: In the Order. Or not. You get that? No difference (despite the<br>
difference). I tell you we will be highly privileged to join that company of 5th<br>
City Pioneers some day.<br>
Joe Mathews said that what he was most proud of was being a 5th Citizen. Not of<br>
being the Dean of this crummy outfit called the Order. But (I would say) of<br>
standing his ground and being his "be" with the profound humanness we discovered<br>
and celebrated in 5th City. And if I can have just a tiny taste of that in my<br>
privileged white man's life, and if I was able to add just the smallest bit to<br>
the 'miracles' that we all participated in creating together, I think that would<br>
be enough for me.<br>
Marshall Jones<br>
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