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[Charles Hahn]

George,  Thank You!  These are some helpful directions.  Sounds like a long
process, but it is a great direction .
Charles

On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 8:30 AM, George Holcombe <geowanda at earthlink.net>wrote:

> I think all the comments on this stream are good.  Keeping the campaign
> going (it has about a 90 day lifespan) has always been the main
> contradiction, also practical ways to have "gun control" which is read by
> the opposition as gun elimination (or government control) brings a brick
> wall.  Getting rid of hiding behind the Constitution would be a windfall,
> but messing with the Constitution is a big mess.
>
> The second part of my thought is that while a social justice issue, its
> main component is economic (which evokes emotion, patriotism, etc.).  The
> U.S. is the largest manufacturer and distributor of weapons in the world.
>  Gun Control threatens not just a "way of life," a governing possibility,
> but an industry, much like fossil fuel and climate change.  There are gun
> shops, shooting ranges, gun clubs, gun shows, para-military groups that go
> out on the weekend for maneuvers and shooting guns let alone hunters, plus
> Wal Mart and investors, speculators, internet businesses, to name a few.
>  That's a part of what's being taken on.
>
> Since guns now have serial numbers and are sort of traceable to
> manufacturers and sellers, except when you file off the number, why not
> have gun owners bear the expense of the data base, through an annual fee
> and a check to see if it's properly  at the same address, etc., that's what
> they ask me every year when I get my auto license, just don't call it
> registration of fire arms, something to do with maintenance of the data
> base.  Push for laws that make states equally responsible for the data
> base.  (You can bet we all are somehow paying for that data base and its
> use by police departments).  It could be another source of revenue for the
> States.
>
> Push for liability insurance for all firearms. If the insurance industry
> can get its teeth into this, they could produce quite a battle with the
> arms industry, though I imagine it would be a mixed affair, but more money
> for the vendors and the industry could provide some incentives.  Imagine
> the amount you'd pay to register your AK47.
>
> Kathleen Jones published an article on steps you have to go through to own
> a gun in Japan on her FaceBook page, certainly worth a read.  Having to go
> though a check for mental illness as in Japan would be a real step forward.
>  Just think of the business mental health professionals could have, and of
> course government regulators to make sure it was done correctly.  You would
> be extending Capitalism and free enterprise (just imagine the ad revenue on
> TV).  What about eye exams and hearing tests, to make sure you see what
> you're shooting at, and the sounds in the next room are really a burglar
> and not your spouse making an early cup of coffee.
>
> Some of this may sound humorous, but if there is enough in the mix some of
> it is bound to take off, either as a compromise or just because some
> politician thinks he/she can ride it to the next election, and maybe some
> entrepreneur will see a way to become the next billionaire.  And then it's
> all about the American way.
>
> To do some of this we'll need to support those movements and organizations
> that are pushing for reform.
>
>
> George Holcombe
> 14900 Yellowleaf Tr.
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>
> Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope—you do not have anything to do
> with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien—it just
> appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you
> hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope?    ~Joseph W.
> Mathews
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Lee Early <lees.mail at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > It is brainstorm time.  What can we do to change the "gun culture" of
> our nation?
> >
> > Nationally, state wide, locally and personally.
> >
> > The social act of repentance might be a good place to start:
> >
> > 1.  Become aware of injustice
> > 2.  Turn your back on it
> > 3.  Abolish within yourself
> > 4.  Lead society
> >
> > BUT, this is a brainstorm.  If the above is a helpful start, great.  If
> not, feel free to come up with a different framework or, just share some
> ideas.
> >
> > The conversation needs to happen now.
> >
> > Lee
> >
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