[Dialogue] [Oe List ...] GoingVegan

Sun May 17 20:13:42 PDT 2015

Doris,
Good insight. In the stuff I'm reading I see economic growth, corporate growth and population growth all talked about in tandem, with population growth the driver. I'm withholding judgment on the Pope until I see his encyclical on climate change, and hoping he'll see the contradiction. 
Best to you and Charles,
Randy

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> On May 17, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Doris Hahn via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
> 
> I have been out of the loop in recent days; so I am catching up a bit. I find all the entries on this trail really interesting, but my question is--so far as anyone knows, is over-population on any major radar screen (other than China) these days. It was big stuff way back, but I have heard nothing recently. 
> 
> We can grow and eat organic, clean up our skies, save our water and electricity, etc, but even if we have a pristine planet, it won't be able to serve the onslaught of population. Unless the Pope addresses this issue, the Hispanic populations, etc. will continue to explode, not to mention well-intentioned,loving, well-educated Americans filling their over-sized vans with children.
> Doris Hahn
> 
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:02 PM, George Holcombe via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>> Please remember back in the 70’s when it was said that smoking on airplanes would never be forbidden, then it would never be forbidden in hotels, bars, etc.  It was also thought that Fast Food restaurants would only serve the garbage of manufactured foods.  The US is now having to import organics because we can’t produce enough.  Some Fast Food chains are already changing their menus. 
>> 
>> The U.S. defense department believes climate change is the no. 1 threat to the U.S.  The US Navy is attempting to convert to renewable energy. BTW, there is a story out that the Naval base in S. Carolina is in trouble because of rising sea levels and some ship repairs can no longer be done there, plus the local town is flooding.
>> 
>> Monsanto is losing money. There is a growing movement among farmers and ranchers to get off GMO’s and to free range their cattle and other livestock.  The pollution from the “meat factories” is showing up in water supplies.  Georgia is picking up the costs of applying for an organic farming certificate to their local farmers.  The list goes on.
>> 
>> Also, you might want to check out the claim that broccoli has more useable protein than steak.
>> 
>> You really should take a look at Cowspiracy and talk to some of your local organic farmers and ranchers. They may tell you some things you won’t hear in the media.
>> 
>> George Holcombe
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>> 
>> "Whatever the problem, community is the answer.  There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about."  Margaret Wheatley
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 10, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Nancy Lanphear via Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I heard a story on PBS the other day of a new product called Cricket
>>> Powder.  It really is made of roasted and ground crickets!  I do not
>>> know how well the crickets are cared for nor anything more about the
>>> process. Yet, the crickets are very high in protein and other
>>> nutrients and do not take up space on earth nor water/feed, that large
>>> animals do.  Just another piece in the decision making puzzel.
>>> 
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Tracy Longacre via OE
>>> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>>>> Going vegan is a viable choice, but of course will do nothing to change the
>>>> American beef industry. And be assured, the cruelty with which we raise
>>>> animals (particularly cows, pigs & chickens) in factory farms is an almost
>>>> exclusively American phenomenon.
>>>> 
>>>> Consumers who buy sustainably and humanely raised meat, eggs & milk are
>>>> already supporting ethical farmers to the extent that more and more are
>>>> getting into the market and reverting to better practices. And
>>>> environmentally, the world needs ruminant animals. See Alan Savory, the
>>>> Savory Institute or Holistic Manangement for more info on that.
>>>> 
>>>> —
>>>> Terran E. Longacre
>>>> Sent from one of my iThingies
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 7:16 PM, David Zahrt via OE
>>>> <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Y'all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was surprised about how much dialogue there was about my raising the
>>>>> question of practicing a vegan diet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I went to a Porch Jam on May 1 (bring your instruments and improvise). The
>>>>> gal who was sponsoring it brought snacks that looked vegan. I asked her
>>>>> about it and she said that her family saw the movie COWSPIRACY. And after
>>>>> they aw the movie they became Vegan!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you seen the movie? I'd like to find a place to check the DVD out and
>>>>> begin showing it locally.
>>>>> 
>>>>> URL info---
>>>>> Have you seen the movie COWSPIRACY?
>>>>> You might not to like its message but its clear that we are being violent
>>>>> to the animals we produce and using up our environment while producing them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you haven't seen info about it I'm enclosing several URLs
>>>>> http://www.cowspiracy.com
>>>>> http://www.cowspiracy.com/infographic/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peace, David
>>>> 
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