[Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Breakfast News Conversations...

Tue Aug 25 18:20:57 PDT 2015

The version of The Liberal Heresy was actually penned by Desmond Avery in a
summer program for the publication there. It came from content of JWM, but
was written by Desmond in his inimitable style.

John

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Jack Gilles via OE <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net
> wrote:

> This paper is an interesting read and gives an insight to what our
> thinking was way back in 1976! This talk was not given by JWM. My guess
> would be Gene Marshall, it has his style to it.
>
> It made me think that if I was giving such a talk today those would not be
> my points. It is not that they don’t, or didn’t, have a validity, but it is
> not how I experience the heresy today, if you want to call it that.
>
> My four columns would be:
>
> 1. *Righteous Demonization*. My Facebook gets a lot of these. “If there
> weren’t all these selfish and stupid people causing all these problems we’d
> get the job done!”
>
> 2. *Focus on Issues, not Contradictions *This shows up with a disregard
> for the systemic nature of life.
>
> 3. *Winning the argument is more important than solving the problem*.
> Highly located in academia, but a disease possessed by many.
>
> 4. Wisdom does lie in the people who live the situations that need to
> change. Call it “*Expertise-ism”*.
>
> These are just four quick ones off the top of my head. But they seem to be
> more in line with what I encounter than the old ones. There are also points
> in the ignorance of the role of spirit, symbol, etc. in the change process.
>
> Peace,
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Frank Knutson via OE <
> oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
> Enclosed: THE LIBERAL HERESY  \
> I think it was given by John Epps or maybe Gene Marshall????
> <THE LIBERAL HERESY.docx>
>
>
>
> *"What appears to be a breaking down of civilization may well be simply
> the breaking up of old forms by life itself."*
> *     ~ *Joyce Carol Oates
> <VIKING copy.jpeg>
> ❤ Frank
>
> On Aug 25, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Rod Rippel via Dialogue <
> dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
>
> Fascists and dictators (and now just about everyone) have long understood
> that
> deviant behavior is encouraged by the fact that the media give it coverage.
> For example it used to be, "Don't write about suicide" because the mere
> mention of suicide might inspire someone to commit suicide in the next few
> days.
> Now we are flooded with all kinds of deviant inspiration.  We live in a
> time of
> internet, Facebook, Twitter and adultery matchup-services.
> Like the phrase sometimes used in the RS-1 'Freedom Lecture,'  "All Is
> Known,"
> literally!  The inundation of 'information' has either swamped us with
> stress and
> physical reaction or prompted a new level of defensive withdrawal from
> engaging.
> Scriptural wisdom and "Deciding" goes by the board!
> -----Original Message----- From: steve har via OE
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 6:06 AM
> To: oe at lists.wedgeblade.net ; Order Ecumenical ICA-USA
> Subject: [Oe List ...] Breakfast News Conversations...
>
> Also called scripture/news conversations
>
> You remember them right?
> random bits of recalled news and then a piece of scriptural wisdom
> what to do about it?
>
> These days news like trying to "drink from a fire hose"
> My experience now living in the USfA now rather than Costa Rica and
> listening to USA media is curious.
>
> Feels to me like a case of news culture ADHD where nothing is
> connected to anything except by more and more crisis news events, more
> passionate & positional thinking more economic political and cultural
> and more and more "news journalists" driving to their bank on the
> stream of news.
>
> My friend Jack Gilles, if I quote him right, says ORID conversations
> no longer have a "D" now because it it is all interpretation, everyone
> has an opinion, everyone is a spectator stuck in the stands watching
> an unplayable game.
>
> Now in conversations  is no "D" in ORID, no one knows how to Decide or
> what Do.
> "D" stands for Dumpster or "Don't decide" or "Despair" or just "Done".
>
> Joe Mathews had a paper, I believe,  which he  called the liberal
> heresy - aybe it was the conservative heresy or the reactionary
> heresy.
> He used some fancy theological terminology like "the  immediacy of the
> eschaton" which I never did understand,exactly.
> Anyone remember this paper?
>
> Wondering where IS the scripture part, the wisdom part of the
> breakfast news conversation?
>
> The Christian Science Monitor says THEY are doing two things...As days
> and weeks pass, the media move on to new stories, often neglecting to
> tell the “what’s possible?” stories about how the people and
> communities affected by these tragedies are coping and what they’re
> learning. We hear these types of stories on one-year anniversaries,
> but they’re not an ongoing part of the media’s coverage the way that
> the “what happened?” stories are. A growing body of research is
> confirming what many have long suspected — that a steady diet of
> trauma and disaster triggers stress, fear and trauma in those
> consuming the stories.
>
> What if the news media covered stories of recovery and resilience as
> much as they cover stories about devastation and despair?
> http://ivoh.org/restorativenarrative/
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> --
> Steve
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