[Dialogue] The Grand Design

[McCabe, Diann A]

I'm responding to Wiegel's quotation (below his name). Sir Ken Robinson defines creativity as "the process of having original ideas that have value." He emphasizes the words "process," "ideas," and "value."

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtnRaa7AgLs

Not sure how this fits into "grand designs" but his ideas speak to me.--Diann McCabe, San Marcos, TX




On 5/22/12 9:55 AM, "James Wiegel" <jfwiegel at yahoo.com> wrote:

I suppose the only thing that could get us in deeper doo doo as a species than the current rancorous controversies would be if we were to all, suddenly, come to some grand conclusion about things . . .

There is an Italian from Nicaragua in the living room practicing on Judy's piano . . .

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--- On Mon, 5/21/12, PSchrijnen at aol.com <PSchrijnen at aol.com> wrote:

From: PSchrijnen at aol.com <PSchrijnen at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Grand Design
To: dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net
Date: Monday, May 21, 2012, 10:11 PM

  Indeed John,

You say that well. I think that was the point of the debate: To point out that these two academics operate in two parallel universes. Dawkins was surprisingly open and charming. he is usually more righteous. In this debate he behaved. The surroundings of the Sheldonian may have helped.

Williams is retiring at the end of the year to become the master of a Cambridge college. He is a fine theologian, and has played a positive role as archbishop in civil life here. I am sure he will be glad to get out of that job though. I have enjoyed his book Silence and Honey Cakes frequently. A fine little book about the wisdom of the desert monastics.

Paul

In a message dated 21/05/2012 22:52:36 GMT Daylight Time, jlepps at pc.jaring.my writes:
Thanks  Paul for this fascinating dialogue. It was far more civil than some of the  exchanges of ideas that often occur on this side of the Atlantic.

IMHO, Dr. Dawkins was quite modest in his claims to certainty about  things, and Archbishop Williams was quite articulate in defining what he did  and did not mean by "God." It seemed, though, that Dr. Dawkins was objecting  to a notion of God that Archbishop Rowan did not advocate, and that is an  example of what I find objectionable about Steven Hawking's book. Of course it  would be silly to expect physicists to be experts in theology, as it would be  for theologians to claim expertise in physics. The two can co-exist quite  harmoniously with one dealing with value and meaning (why) and the other  dealing with the nature of reality and its operations (what and how).

John



At 12:40 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote:

I enjoyed the debate  between Richard Dawkins and Rowan Williams on some of these questions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0

Maybe  it adds another  dimension...?

Paul




In  a message dated 20/05/2012 19:18:12 GMT Daylight Time, LAURELCG at aol.com  writes:
  Jack,

   The Ground of Being that WAS before the big bang, and the Evolutionary  Impulse (Becoming) that started the big bang, is what we've called God.  (This I've gleaned from Andrew Cohen.) I agree it is all intelligent, but  our tiny brains cannot begin to understand it. IT is the All, in the  phrases, "All that is, is good." and "I am One with All That Is." Science  is about grappling to understand it. Good scientists are usually in awe of  what they're discovering. What else would keep someone looking in a  microscope all day every day for years, or whatever laborious process is  required in their discipline? Scientists like Bryan Swimme and men of  faith like Thomas Berry sometimes collaborate to come up with inspired  works, like The Universe Story. This is all just my humble  opinion, as is the belief that the church, the cutting edge today, is the  evolutionary spirituality movement. Jean Houston is a recognized leader of  it and almost invariably ends her internet sessions with "These are the  times, we are the people."

   From the great central valley of California, the center of the  Universe,
 Jann

   In a message dated 5/20/2012 10:57:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  icabombay at igc.org writes:
  As to the "Grand Design", it is the contention of some that the  creative process, that which underlies all, is inherently intelligent  and that intelligence can be understood.



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