[Dialogue] The Grand Design
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PSchrijnen at aol.com
Mon May 21 22:11:41 PDT 2012
Indeed John,
You say that well. I think that was the point of the debate: To point out
that these two academics operate in two parallel universes. Dawkins was
surprisingly open and charming. he is usually more righteous. In this debate
he behaved. The surroundings of the Sheldonian may have helped.
Williams is retiring at the end of the year to become the master of a
Cambridge college. He is a fine theologian, and has played a positive role as
archbishop in civil life here. I am sure he will be glad to get out of that
job though. I have enjoyed his book Silence and Honey Cakes frequently. A
fine little book about the wisdom of the desert monastics.
Paul
In a message dated 21/05/2012 22:52:36 GMT Daylight Time,
jlepps at pc.jaring.my writes:
Thanks Paul for this fascinating dialogue. It was far more civil than some
of the exchanges of ideas that often occur on this side of the Atlantic.
IMHO, Dr. Dawkins was quite modest in his claims to certainty about
things, and Archbishop Williams was quite articulate in defining what he did and
did not mean by "God." It seemed, though, that Dr. Dawkins was objecting to
a notion of God that Archbishop Rowan did not advocate, and that is an
example of what I find objectionable about Steven Hawking's book. Of course it
would be silly to expect physicists to be experts in theology, as it would
be for theologians to claim expertise in physics. The two can co-exist
quite harmoniously with one dealing with value and meaning (why) and the other
dealing with the nature of reality and its operations (what and how).
John
At 12:40 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote:
I enjoyed the debate between Richard Dawkins and Rowan Williams on some of
these questions:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQk4NfW7g0)
Maybe it adds another dimension...?
Paul
In a message dated 20/05/2012 19:18:12 GMT Daylight Time, LAURELCG at aol.com
writes:
Jack,
The Ground of Being that WAS before the big bang, and the Evolutionary
Impulse (Becoming) that started the big bang, is what we've called God. (This
I've gleaned from Andrew Cohen.) I agree it is all intelligent, but our
tiny brains cannot begin to understand it. IT is the All, in the phrases, "All
that is, is good." and "I am One with All That Is." Science is about
grappling to understand it. Good scientists are usually in awe of what they're
discovering. What else would keep someone looking in a microscope all day
every day for years, or whatever laborious process is required in their
discipline? Scientists like Bryan Swimme and men of faith like Thomas Berry
sometimes collaborate to come up with inspired works, like The Universe Story.
This is all just my humble opinion, as is the belief that the church, the
cutting edge today, is the evolutionary spirituality movement. Jean Houston
is a recognized leader of it and almost invariably ends her internet
sessions with "These are the times, we are the people."
>From the great central valley of California, the center of the Universe,
Jann
In a message dated 5/20/2012 10:57:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
icabombay at igc.org writes:
As to the "Grand Design", it is the contention of some that the creative
process, that which underlies all, is inherently intelligent and that
intelligence can be understood.
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