[Dialogue] [Oe List ...] WHAT IS THE RIGHT QUESTION THESE DAYS?

Sun Jul 8 19:11:54 PDT 2012

Might I suggest we consider Paul Hawken's wisdom from his book "Blessed
Unrest." There are movements aplenty around the world, all doing some or all
of what needs to be done in their own best way in their own locales. To take
a Biblical language approach (can you tell I've been working closely with a
local church this past year?) It could be worth praying for their ultimate
success according to God's will. (Now of course, demythologizing may well be
needed!). 

If you need a sense of the size of this movement, see Paul's Ted Talk, just
under 6 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1fiubmOqH4 

Sunny

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I found Bill's note thought provoking.

We recognized a need for the institutional church to be renewed. We joined
in a movement of people who aspired to renew the institutional church. In
about a decade we went out the door of the church into the life of the
community. In 20+ years we dispersed. Did it make a difference? I find there
are many answers to that question,

Its possible to recognize the need for a change in the
'consume-and-throw-away-lifestyle'. It would be done so that the planet on
which we live has the capacity to sustain us and future generations of all
life--animal and vegetable--on the planet. Consumption is only one of the
issues. Another enormous issue is population balance.

If we were to recognize the need and find ourselves moved to be engaged is
it possible to identify the movement of people who will be most likely to
make a difference? Of course its possible to wait and see what happens! I
know 20-year olds that are convinced that they will see the end of the world
in their lifetime.

Who among us is willing to identify the movement, recruit member, and design
or specify the direction of the movement?

New Booklet, Video Answer Common Questions about Climate Change

The National Research Council has released a new booklet and video designed
to help the public gain a better understanding of what is known about
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reports from the National Research Council that represent the consensus of
experts who have reviewed hundreds of studies describing many years of
accumulating evidence. 

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segmented by the questions being addressed.

Climate Reality is having a 3-day workshop in SFO in August. I'm planning to
go. Will find out if they have designed a direction that seems worth
engaging in!

David

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bill Parker <bparker175 at cox.net> wrote:

Before we get too deep in our entanglements with global disaster and what
God is and is not going to do about it, it might be helpful to put some
concretion to the dilemna. 

We need 19 million barrels of oil every morning at 6:00 just to maintain
what 300 million people need to live through that day and then we need
another 19 million barrels by 6 am the next morning and on and on it goes
until it climbs to 20 million. That is just the USA. The whole world has to
have 83 million barrels every morning at 6 am. 

Take a look around you. Everything you see in your office, bedroom, kitchen,
transportation, your entire house is petroleum based or dependent upon some
portion of those barrels. Hospitals, schools, all technology equipments,
communications, food supply...I could go on, but these things are not going
to change significantly, they can't change. Sure, they can be reduced some,
maybe eventually a lot, but there will not be a significant change. 

Why? Because we have not finished the structural revolution. The climate
situation is a product of the breakdown of the social reality we live in.
The economic, political, and cultural realities are unsustainable and long
before the climate change destroys the earth's population, the economic,
political, and cultural dimensions (those parts we can do something about)
will destroy it first. We may think big oil keeps anyone from addressing the
climate situation, but we are the ones fueling big oil. We may think Walmart
killed small towns but small towns abandoned local shops and spent their
money in Walmart. 

My point is that the world needs a body of people who 1) embraces the
possibility of radical change; 2) unites the forces of transformation; 3)
works toward local empowerment; 4) prepares the emerging generation of
leaders; 5) reveals the deepest aspects of being human within faith
traditions, religious or not; 7) focuses on critical points of
non-cooperation and non-violent opposition; 8) utilizes a process of
constant strategy development, or we might say "evergreening development". 

This body of people would  have many faces, you know, like the Seven Faces
of Dr. Lao. Many faces, one people. This is another way of saying that what
needs to be done, needs to be done, regardless of whether humankind will
survive or not. On a personal level, isn't it a little like saying I am
going to die no matter what I do so it doesn't matter what I do. I believe
that given a healthy social process, we could dramatically change course and
stop adding to the disaster and simultaneously develop effective adaptation
efforts to reduce the impact of what we cannot stop.

So, who are these people going to be? Who is going to make up the human
community that is networked to get this done? It may need to have many faces
in each of the processes. Like a local face, a University face, an
inter-faith face, a leadership face, a church face, and economic alternative
face, a public education face, a public health face, or a human reformation
face, and finally, a climate response face! I think of Gilles' work a couple
of years ago on the guild, but focused, radicalized, strategic, firm in
commitment for a viable human future!

Bill 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: George Holcombe <mailto:geowanda at earthlink.net>  

To: Colleague Dialogue <mailto:dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>  

Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 6:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] WHAT IS THE RIGHT QUESTION THESE DAYS?

Sometimes being realistic is more than skeptical.  Jim's mention of climate
change for me certainly is a game changer regarding the right question.
Climate scientist are not that rosy about the future, and with the greatest
polluters ignoring the data it does not hold much promise.  Jean Watts'
husband, Bob, could probably give us more data here.  The increase in heat,
shifting seasons, intensity of storms, rising seas and all the things our
media does not cover, e.g. South Sea Islanders seeking to migrate to New
Zealand and Australia because they are losing ground month by month, even
here in our garden we have insects that were confined to the South of us now
showing up.  The intensity of Monsoon seasons which is destroying top soil
among other things, that our colleague, Rupert Barnes, used to trace around
the world in the 80's and 90's, the expanding population and the shortage of
water, the list goes on and on.  I understand that Climatologists are
concerned about the CO2 in sea waters, where it is and what it's doing, and
rising acidity.  

I remember we had an illustration about the guy being chased by the bear and
falling into the well clinging to a rope that a rat is gnawing away.  With
Theology and Philosophy being outflanked by Science disciplines, I begin to
wonder if the "meaning of life" issues we enjoy tossing around is any longer
at the heart of the issue.  Are we left with preparing for future
extinction, whatever that looks like, or attempting to rectify the damages
we've done to mother earth in hopes she changes her mind.  Do we really have
a wider range of options or questions?

George Holcombe
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Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope-you do not have anything to do with
it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien-it just
appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you
hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope?    ~Joseph W.
Mathews

On Jul 7, 2012, at 12:17 PM, R Williams wrote:

Jim and Jim,

I find myself wanting to be realistic without being skeptical and thinking
that the situation is hopeless.  Jim W., you mention Walter Brueggemann's
book The Prophetic Imagination.  Brueggemann suggests, as I understand what
he is saying, that the task of the ancient prophets was to imagine a future
that was an alternative to the dominant cultural reality of the time, and to
narrate that alternative in such a way that the people would participate in
its emergence.  By "imagination" he meant the ability to discern what YHWH
was bringing into being.

In the sequel, called The Practice of Prophetic Imagination, Brueggemann
says the following:

Can YHWH create, yet again, a new history for Israel, after the old history
has come to a dismal end?  Here we are at the deepest theological question
of biblical faith--is the God of faith contained within and informed by what
the world knows to be possible?  Or is it within the capacity of God to
create a newness that defies the categories of the "possible" that are
commonly and reasonably accepted in the world?

He then refers Karl Barth's second volume of Church Dogmatics.

Karl Barth...faces the issue of what is "real" and what is "possible..."
Barth's insistence that the issue of  "possibility" must not claim to
precede the question of "reality'" is crucial.  And because God is free,
much is possible with God that would not otherwise be possible.

Brueggemann continues:

It is useful to recognize, in our own context, that when faith is contained
within modern rationality, there is a rejection of the God who can "do the
impossible."  The present casting of that rejection concerns "an
interventionist God" who violates our notion of the possible...  The
question left...is a question about the freedom of God that we seek to
ponder without any recourse to crude supernaturalism.

By "crude supernaturalism" Brueggemann is pointing to something like
uttering magical prayers for a person to be cured of an illness, or a town
to be saved from violent weather, etc. with the expectation that God will
intervene in a spontaneous, spasmodic instant to the immediate situation and
prayers will be answered.  He does not, however, dismiss the idea that God
is an interventionist.  What he does suggest is that, rather than
spontaneous, God is an active player in human history and is continuously
intervening in every "now," in the midst of which all things are always
being made new.  He concludes:

In each new articulation, Israel must ask again in wonderment if God, in
God's freedom, can push beyond ordinary "possibility" to the "impossible..."
The tradition of faith continues to be dazzled by specific memories, in
narrative form, of instances in which the "impossibility of God" has
overridden the "possibility" of human wisdom...that exhibit God's faithful
power beyond our expectation or explanation.

Thus the role of the prophet is to discern the "possible impossibility" (my
words) that is emerging in the midst of the death of the old, "narrate" it
in a compelling fashion, and participate in "bring(ing) it to reality as it
desires." (Martin Buber's phrase.)  So to bring this back to where we
started, perhaps the question in all of this, and perhaps a timeless one at
that, is "What is the newness that is seeking to emerge in our time and,
what story shall we tell about it, and what is required of us to participate
in having it emerge?"

Randy

"Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the
world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires."
-Martin Buber (adapted)

From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com>
To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net> 
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] WHAT IS THE RIGHT QUESTION THESE DAYS?

Wow.  Thanks, Jim.  Someone on this list recommended Prophetic Imagination
by Walter Bruggemann, and I found it as an ebook and downloaded and read it.
He is very much in line with your perspective, and points to the experience
of the prophets and their role and function as what we need.  Since reading
it, I have been saying to myself, we are moving into a prophetic moment.

Jim Wiegel

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From: Jim Baumbach <wtw0bl at new.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] WHAT IS THE RIGHT QUESTION THESE DAYS?
To: "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 4:55 PM

Certainly Boulding was aware of some of the ominous crises and saw within
them a potential for extinction of our human species.  But several other
crises are also pending including global warming (environmental change),
unending wars, physical and chemical pollution, droughts and starvation,
declining water sources, etc.  My question was not intended to be
supercilious but as a thought regarding how fragile our own current
existence is.  Measured in a geologic time frame, the total presence of
human life is so minuscule as to be in all probability essentially zero.
Yet within that time frame, human beings have been able to so threaten their
own existence that one can hardly imagine any other life form as suicidal.
Despite all of the dire scientific projections I, for one, am unable to stop
doing exactly what I, and many like me, have been doing for decades and
centuries--consuming the Earth's resources in unsustainable amounts.  And
now the populations of China and India are also anticipating doing what I am
doing! I don't see anything changing so profoundly that we will reverse our
present course.  There are, of course, many band aid-type remedies such as
alternative energy sources but these only prolong this process.  Is it
possible to change human nature to such an extent that we, in Biblical
tradition when Jonah proclaimed disaster to Nineveh: "...Then tidings
reached the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, removed his robe,
and covered himself with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. And he made
proclamation and published through Nineveh, "By the decree of the king and
his nobles: Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything; let
them not feed, or drink water, but let man and beast be covered with
sackcloth, and let them cry mightily to God; yea, let every one turn from
his evil way and from the violence which is in his hands." (Jonah 3:3-8
RSV), actually change our habits?  Without this dramatic turn-around
possibly our question will be:  "How do we prepare all human life to face
the inevitable extinction of our species?" Jim Baumbach   

On 7/6/2012 3:56 PM, James Wiegel wrote: 

I was just reminded of an old, old, friend, Kenneth Boulding, and a chapter
from his book, The Meaning of the Twentieth Century -- The Great Transition,
published in 1964.  He described this "great transition" thusly:  

The Great Transition (1964)

The twentieth century might be described as the crucial central period in
the third great transition in the state of mankind. The first great
transition was from the paleolithic to the neolithic about ten thousand
years ago, which was characterized by the invention of agriculture, the
domestication of animals, and the development of a settled life in villages.
The second great transition, sometimes called the urban revolution, about
five thousand years ago, was characterized by the development of political
power and the centralization of the food surplus from agriculture in cities.
This is the transition from neolithic agriculture to civilizations. What is
underway now is a third great transition, in which civilization is passing
away and a new order of society altogether, which I have sometimes called
post-civilized but which perhaps deserves the name of the Developed Society,
is coming into being. The twentieth century is the crucial midstage of this
transition which will determine very largely whether it will be made
successful or not. 

HERE ARE SOME PARAGRAPHS FROM THE FINAL CHAPTER.  I FOUND THEM ON THE GOLDEN
PATHWAYS:  

The fact of the great transition is not in dispute. Almost anyone in middle
life today has simply to look back to his own childhood, or still more to
the days of his grandparents, to realize that we are living in a world in
which there is an enormous rate of change. If anyone in an advanced society
today were to suddenly thrust back into the world of only a hundred years
ago, he would feel utterly alien and strange. A considerable part of his
vocabulary would be meaningless to the people around him. He would find it
hard to adapt to the inconveniences and to the restricted life which would
have to lead. He would feel indeed in an alien society.

....................................................

I, therefore, have no hesitation in recommending the attitude toward the
great transition which I have described as critical acceptance. There may be
times when we wish nostalgically that it had never started, for then at
least the danger that the evolutionary experiment in this part of the
universe would be terminated would be more remote. Now that the transition
is under way, however, there is no going back on it. We must learn to use
its enormous potential for good rather than for evil, and we must learn to
diminish and eventually eliminate the dangers which are inherent in it. If I
had to sum up the situation in a sentence I would say that the situation has
arisen because of the development of certain methods of reality testing
applied to our images of nature. If we are to ride out the transition
successfully we must apply these or similar methods for reality testing to
our images of man and his society.

There is in the world today an "invisible college" of people in many
different countries and many different cultures, who have this vision of the
nature of the transition through which we are passing and who are determined
to devote their lives to contributing toward its successful fulfillment.
Membership in this college is consistent with many different philosophical,
religious, and political positions. It is a college without a founder and
without a president, without buildings and without organization. Its
founding members might have included a Jesuit like Pierre Teilhard de
Chardin, a humanist like Aldous Huxley, a writer of science fiction like H.
G. Wells, and it might even have given honorary degrees to Adam Smith, Karl
Marx, Pope John XXIII, and even Khrushchev and John F. Kennedy. Its living
representatives are still a pretty small group of people. I think, however,
that it is they who hold the future of the world in their hands or at least
in their minds.

For this invisible college I am an unashamed propagandist and I confess
without a blush that this book is a tract. Our precious little planet, this
blue green cradle of life with its rosy mantle, is in one of the most
critical stages of its whole existence. It is in a position of immense
danger and immense potentiality. There are no doubt many experiments in
evolution going on in different parts of this big universe. But this happens
to be my planet and I am very much attached to it, and I am desperately
anxious that this particular experiment should be a success. If this be
ethnocentrism, then let me be ethnocentric! I am pretty sure, however, that
it will not be a success unless something is done. There is danger both of
the bang of nuclear detonation and of the whimper of exhausted
overpopulation, and either would mean an end of the evolutionary process in
these parts. If man were merely capable of destroying himself, one could
perhaps bear the thought. One could at least console oneself with the
thought of elementary justice, that if man does destroy himself it is his
own silly fault. He is captain, however, of a frai1 and delicate vessel, and
in the course of destroying himself he might easily destroy the vessel--
that is, the planet which carries him, with its immense wealth and variety
of evolutionary freight and evolutionary potential. This makes the dangers
of the transition doubly intolerable, and demands a desperate effort to
remove them.

Jim Wiegel

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--- On Fri, 7/6/12, R Williams <rcwmbw at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: R Williams <rcwmbw at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] WHAT IS THE RIGHT QUESTION THESE DAYS?
To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net>, "Colleague
Dialogue" <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 11:30 AM

Jim,

By "peace" I meant something more than the absence of war.  I suppose I
meant something like "with civility," " with mutual respect," "acknowledging
the dignity and worth of all."  This may be idealistic but without it I am
skeptical that we can continue.  The by-product of this kind of peace is
sustainability, so my statement may have been a bit redundant.

I agree with Wayne up to a point.  I believe there is really one moral issue
at a time, but there must be many ways to describe it and  thus to
articulate the question.  With the way issues are so inter-related, it's
difficult to talk about one without eventually getting into  most of the
others, and probably even more difficult to finally boil it down to "the"
underlying root/moral issue of the time.  I would have to say that the way
we articulated it in the 70's as the disparity between the 85/15, or today
maybe the 99/1, isn't that far off base for today as well.

One thing I do feel fairly certain about.  Whereas in RS-1 days we asked,
"Who am I?" "What do I?" and "How be I?"--today I would insist that the
question, whatever it is, is not an "I" question, but rather a "we"
question.

Randy

"Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the
world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires."
-Martin Buber (adapted) 

From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel at yahoo.com>
To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue at lists.wedgeblade.net>; Order Ecumenical
Community <oe at lists.wedgeblade.net> 
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 12:33 PM
Subject: [Oe List ...] WHAT IS THE RIGHT QUESTION THESE DAYS?

WHAT IS THE RIGHT QUESTION THESE DAYS? Over coffee, this morning, i recopied
the emails from this thread and tried to narrow down to just the questions
that were posed. I think i missed an email that Lee Early was responding to
in his message. A couple of reflections:  Randy, in yours, i was struggling
with the phrase "in peace", wondering, a bit like the word "church" or
"religious" what that might point to that would seem true to life vs. sort
of an ideal future. Wayne, your response that there may not be "a" question,
but many and we each have to figure out our own for ourselves got me to
reflecting on the evident complicatedness of things in a systemic or
interconnected world.  My auto mechanic was explaining to me how to simply
fix the health care system in the US, and your comment came up for me, and i
said that is a good idea, but i think we are looking too often for simple
silver bullet solutions when thngs are actually much more complicated.  And
that made sense to both of us and moved the conversation on. Jim Baumbach's
question put me back on my heels . "How do I get you to change your mind and
do what I think is right?"  then, when in linking it with Bill Parker's
notion that none of this is new, and why haven't we all woken up? Got me
thinking, at least on the liberal or progressive side, whether the new
religion arising is the religion of human rights . . . Progressives, at
least, seem to hold these as sacred and as a moral obligation to be
enforced. I could go on, but my eggs are getting cold, and the slice of
cantelope from Judy's garden is calling. THE GIST AS I SEE IT Mary Hampton:
Enough, all ready, its too good to miss and I am not ready to edit.  Good
stuff, folks! Ken Gilgren:  why am I here? What am I doing? How am I being?
What quickens the current action of my soul? what was the question again?
Wayne Nelson:  What are the pivotal moral issues of our moment?  I think
there are likely to be several. Of course there are many, many but there are
probably some major ones.  To reduce it to a single one makes it too
abstract and denies the obvious complexity.  We all have to name 'the moral
issue of our time.'  There's not likely to be one for everyone. It's a job
we all have to do. Bill Parker:  What are the warning signs of the
destruction and endangerment of the entire human community?  Then ask, what
is the underlying question to be addressed and how it can be addressed.  Why
are people not being awakened to the clear, obvious truth of our crisis?
Secondly, what methods must we develop or employ to radically reveal this
all encompassing truth? John Cock:  My take: If it does not have something
like "on behalf of a transformed Earth community" in the statement,  it is
the WRONG right question, moral issue, or vocation. Lee Early:  "Who is
Tiger Woods?", What is his mission?  Can we re-answer the second question?
Mission, social pioneer, church, college, league, crimson line and movement?
The answer to the question of mission will carry the first of who.  (At
least here in the West.)  Sometimes the question of mission changes.
Sometimes by chance and sometimes on purpose.  What is our mission TODAY?
Randy Williams:  In reflecting on the dialogue around what is "the
question," I realized we really were assuming two questions.  How may "we"
(all species) live together on this planet in peace, in a way that secures
life for future generations?  What is the new face, form and mission of the
"movement" (the religious, the invisible college, the church with a
little"c," ) and what stories, style and symbols will sustain it? Jan
Sanders:  What are the key images of the future of evolution? Steve
Harrington:  You had to say it, eh?  What does it look like to be the
Sensitive & Responsive. To what concerns? where? Karen Bueno: "How do we
motivate the sensitive and reponsive ones who understand that the survival
of the people of the earth and the earth itself depends on our working
together to make that survival possible?"  I like the idea of striving for a
T-shirt phrase, like "Be one of those who dare to live the future now.", as
someone suggested. David Walters:  in the midst of a malaise of helplessness
and an established / controlling economic and political elite, what can we
do to support and help to form the emerging groups and movements (both the
Tea Party and the Occupy movement) to be both effective and inclusive? Jack
Gilles:  Given the stance that "History rides on the back of the religious"
that we embodied and lived..... "Who are the 'religious' today, where would
you look to find them, what are the marks that tell you so, and what might
we share (and how) with them so that they are empowered and connected?".
The "we" in the question should refer to "those of us who are scattered" and
who will take seriously the answers.  Janice Ulangca:  In this 50th year of
EI/ICA, some of the questions to live with:  Considering what we
were/are/might be, what is our calling?  What are we called to know/do/be?
What are some of the important partnerships the future needs? Missed the
name:  What was Neibhur's line? (and how do you spell his name?)  Something
about the sensitive and something ones. Nancy Lanphear:  What is " MY GREAT
WORK (IS) WHERE MY OWN GREAT JOY INTERSECTS WITH EARTH'S GREAT NEED"
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important partnerships the future needs? Jim Baumbach:  "How do I get you to
change your mind and do what I think is right?" Karen Bueno:  "How are we to
live together and preserve this planet for the future?" Jim Wiegel
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