Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 11. Enjoyable White people
I'm just wondering if any of our Black colleagues would like to name or describe or tell stories about white people they might remember working with back in the day. (tongue in cheek) :P On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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1. Re: Being Black in the Order Ecumenical (Herman Greene)
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Thanks for the report on Robert Shropshire's funeral. It is so sad to imagine that such bundled energy passes into the universe. Who knows what from there?
As far as being black in the order, in a sense the whole experience of coming to Summer 67 and then living in Fifth City with EI was all about meeting black. Those black people in our order stood out. I remember Joe Matthews once saying "Imagine what I could do if I were black!" He meant that blacks had a special role to play at that time and a special power.
But when I talk about meeting black, I mean so many things. I remember the Saturday night festivals at Summer '67. Black power, black history, the violence, the delightful bright colleagues in Fifth City, the Fifth City preschool and project, the Iron Man. They were all part of the order in those days. There was really no real line between order and community.
Black transformed me. I will never be the same.
Herman
-----Original Message----- From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of John Cock Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:03 AM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
Helen Estridge was her name.
-----Original Message----- From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Ann Shafer Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:32 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
Yes, we did, Jim, the Fifth City to the World trip where we took the bus from Chicago to Miami. We chartered a bus. The whole trip cost each person $200. We raffled off one trip. I organized the itinerary, then Alice and Jim Baumbach spiritized it. We had so much fun. When the ship arrived in Nassau, the Bahamian Minister of Tourism met the ship and said he was there to escort the Fifth Citizens. Then he took us on a private tour of Nassau and a village they were recreating to look like 100 years ago or so. So much fun. We ate at colleagues' homes and churches all the way down and back and slept on the bus - no stops for sleeping until we got on the ship. Each cabin was 4 beds, 2 above and 2 below, and was for either men or for women. And get this - the line was the Costa Line, the one that just had that awful accident in the Mediterranean. But we had no troubles at all, just a lot of fun. One lady from Fifth City whose name I don't remember had only one leg and got around on crutches. She did really well. Watching the Fifth City women flirt with the Italian waiters on the ship (and vice versa of course) was great. Pina coladas cost only 80 cents each on the ship. That I remember! The year was 1974. Ann
-----Original Message----- From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of James Wiegel Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:03 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Cc: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
You sang on the bus all the way to the Bahamas ? Wow.
Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com
I can't say as I was ever lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. Daniel Boone
On Jun 1, 2012, at 18:25, "Ann Shafer" <asgoodasitgets@hughes.net> wrote:
And I so enjoyed working with everyone in Fifth City but most especially Velma Brocks who is my daughter, Catherine's, godmother. Velma could say so much without saying anything. She and I handled the Fifth City payroll for awhile. Plus David and I had a wonderful time on the Fifth City to the World trip to the Bahamas so beautifully enabled and spiritized by Alice and Jim Baumbach. Remember Peggy who led the singing on our bus all the way there and back? I know the Fifth Citizens were not O:E but they were our colleagues and mentors. Ann Stewart Shafer
-----Original Message----- From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David Scott Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:23 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
Phylis Christmas
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Nancy Lanphear <nancy@songaia.com> wrote:
Dear Ones,
Our common memory is such a gift. Each of us can let go of some of our worry about loosing our own. Thanks for sharing your memories with me.
Love,
Nancy
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:48 AM, E B <marosel2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Who can forget Dawn Lingo and Lynette Shanklin?
________________________________ From: Mary Laura Jones <mljones2022@gmail.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
I learned so much from Lois Reeves and Emma Melton in the Cleveland Region. I am so grateful for their presence in our lives. Many things they said still make me smile. Their wisdom and leadership were very important in the ICA's work.
Mary Laura Jones
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:12 AM, McCabe, Diann A <dm14@txstate.edu>
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Sharon Turner stands out for me. Vincent Scott and Mary. And deep colleague in Mississippi, the late Ruth Wilson.
Diann McCabe
On 6/1/12 8:17 AM, "Nancy Lanphear" <nancy@songaia.com> wrote:
Dear Randy,
I, too would appreciate hearing some of the stories about what it was like to be black in the Order. I remember Phoebe Reynolds, Christine Harris, and some of the children .... Tad and Todd Mueller,
Eric
Shropshire, Adam and Kaira Lingo, Emanuel Ward, Kevin Woodward ... I am sorry , who are the others who have slipped through my memory ...? Thank you Joyce and Randy
Nancy
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:55 AM, R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com> wrote:
Joyce,
Your brief comment, in remembering Robert Shropshire, about what it was like to be black and to have been in the O:E has me wanting to hear more about what that experience was like, and trying to recall our black Order colleagues prior to our being dispersed around the globe, embracing cultures of color everywhere.
In addition to you, Carlos and Shropshire, I remember Larry Ward, Nadine Ward, Harold Williams and Richard whose last name was, I think, Epson. Other faces are pictured in my mind's eye whose names I cannot recall. Who were they?
My interest is peaked by the fact that the white majority, in the U.S at least, is shrinking and will likely soon no longer exist, combined with the fact that there is a glimmer of indication that cultural diversity of all kinds is coming to be not only tolerated but embraced by more and more people.
On behalf of the future, with an eye toward how all people may live together in peace on this flat, increasingly diverse and crowded planet, I would love to hear more of your reflections, as well as those of others, on what it was like then to be black and in the O:E and what, with 50 years of experience behind us, we all have learned.
A conversation like this could be a fitting tribute to Robert, Nadine, Harold and others now departed who have impacted our community and consciousness over the years.
Randy
"Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted)
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Added poems and pictures, a chap book of some 40 pages.and more Ko shin's Blogs: <http://chasingwindmillswhynot.blogspot.com/> http://chasingwindmillswhynot.blogspot.com/ June 2010: http://adharmabumreportingfromnaropa.blogspot.com/ June/July, 2011: <http://www.2011adharmabumreportingagainfromnaropa.blogspot.com/> www.2011adharmabumreportingagainfromnaropa.blogspot.com Face Book: Bob koshin Hanson Tweeter: 1940oldman 920 293 8856 Home 414 234 0954 Cell skype 920 240 4325 From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David Flowers Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:17 PM To: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 11. Enjoyable White people I'm just wondering if any of our Black colleagues would like to name or describe or tell stories about white people they might remember working with back in the day. (tongue in cheek) :P On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Send OE mailing list submissions to oe@lists.wedgeblade.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net You can reach the person managing the list at oe-owner@lists.wedgeblade.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OE digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Being Black in the Order Ecumenical (Herman Greene) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:36:41 -0400 From: "Herman Greene" <hfgreene@mindspring.com> To: "'Order Ecumenical Community'" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical Message-ID: <4B1A21218342412D9A83F6891589B6C1@dsktp1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the report on Robert Shropshire's funeral. It is so sad to imagine that such bundled energy passes into the universe. Who knows what from there? As far as being black in the order, in a sense the whole experience of coming to Summer 67 and then living in Fifth City with EI was all about meeting black. Those black people in our order stood out. I remember Joe Matthews once saying "Imagine what I could do if I were black!" He meant that blacks had a special role to play at that time and a special power. But when I talk about meeting black, I mean so many things. I remember the Saturday night festivals at Summer '67. Black power, black history, the violence, the delightful bright colleagues in Fifth City, the Fifth City preschool and project, the Iron Man. They were all part of the order in those days. There was really no real line between order and community. Black transformed me. I will never be the same. Herman -----Original Message----- From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of John Cock Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 8:03 AM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical Helen Estridge was her name. -----Original Message----- From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Ann Shafer Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 8:32 PM To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical Yes, we did, Jim, the Fifth City to the World trip where we took the bus from Chicago to Miami. We chartered a bus. The whole trip cost each person $200. We raffled off one trip. I organized the itinerary, then Alice and Jim Baumbach spiritized it. We had so much fun. When the ship arrived in Nassau, the Bahamian Minister of Tourism met the ship and said he was there to escort the Fifth Citizens. Then he took us on a private tour of Nassau and a village they were recreating to look like 100 years ago or so. So much fun. We ate at colleagues' homes and churches all the way down and back and slept on the bus - no stops for sleeping until we got on the ship. Each cabin was 4 beds, 2 above and 2 below, and was for either men or for women. And get this - the line was the Costa Line, the one that just had that awful accident in the Mediterranean. But we had no troubles at all, just a lot of fun. One lady from Fifth City whose name I don't remember had only one leg and got around on crutches. She did really well. Watching the Fifth City women flirt with the Italian waiters on the ship (and vice versa of course) was great. Pina coladas cost only 80 cents each on the ship. That I remember! The year was 1974. Ann -----Original Message----- From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of James Wiegel Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:03 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Cc: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical You sang on the bus all the way to the Bahamas ? Wow. Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com I can't say as I was ever lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. Daniel Boone On Jun 1, 2012, at 18:25, "Ann Shafer" <asgoodasitgets@hughes.net> wrote:
And I so enjoyed working with everyone in Fifth City but most especially Velma Brocks who is my daughter, Catherine's, godmother. Velma could say so much without saying anything. She and I handled the Fifth City payroll for awhile. Plus David and I had a wonderful time on the Fifth City to the World trip to the Bahamas so beautifully enabled and spiritized by Alice and Jim Baumbach. Remember Peggy who led the singing on our bus all the way there and back? I know the Fifth Citizens were not O:E but they were our colleagues and mentors. Ann Stewart Shafer
-----Original Message----- From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of David Scott Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:23 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
Phylis Christmas
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Nancy Lanphear <nancy@songaia.com> wrote:
Dear Ones,
Our common memory is such a gift. Each of us can let go of some of our worry about loosing our own. Thanks for sharing your memories with me.
Love,
Nancy
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:48 AM, E B <marosel2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Who can forget Dawn Lingo and Lynette Shanklin?
________________________________ From: Mary Laura Jones <mljones2022@gmail.com> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
I learned so much from Lois Reeves and Emma Melton in the Cleveland Region. I am so grateful for their presence in our lives. Many things they said still make me smile. Their wisdom and leadership were very important in the ICA's work.
Mary Laura Jones
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:12 AM, McCabe, Diann A <dm14@txstate.edu>
wrote:
Sharon Turner stands out for me. Vincent Scott and Mary. And deep colleague in Mississippi, the late Ruth Wilson.
Diann McCabe
On 6/1/12 8:17 AM, "Nancy Lanphear" <nancy@songaia.com> wrote:
Dear Randy,
I, too would appreciate hearing some of the stories about what it was like to be black in the Order. I remember Phoebe Reynolds, Christine Harris, and some of the children .... Tad and Todd Mueller,
Eric
Shropshire, Adam and Kaira Lingo, Emanuel Ward, Kevin Woodward ... I am sorry , who are the others who have slipped through my memory ...? Thank you Joyce and Randy
Nancy
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:55 AM, R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com> wrote:
Joyce,
Your brief comment, in remembering Robert Shropshire, about what it was like to be black and to have been in the O:E has me wanting to hear more about what that experience was like, and trying to recall our black Order colleagues prior to our being dispersed around the globe, embracing cultures of color everywhere.
In addition to you, Carlos and Shropshire, I remember Larry Ward, Nadine Ward, Harold Williams and Richard whose last name was, I think, Epson. Other faces are pictured in my mind's eye whose names I cannot recall. Who were they?
My interest is peaked by the fact that the white majority, in the U.S at least, is shrinking and will likely soon no longer exist, combined with the fact that there is a glimmer of indication that cultural diversity of all kinds is coming to be not only tolerated but embraced by more and more people.
On behalf of the future, with an eye toward how all people may live together in peace on this flat, increasingly diverse and crowded planet, I would love to hear more of your reflections, as well as those of others, on what it was like then to be black and in the O:E and what, with 50 years of experience behind us, we all have learned.
A conversation like this could be a fitting tribute to Robert, Nadine, Harold and others now departed who have impacted our community and consciousness over the years.
Randy
"Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted)
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