African migrations
I think it was JFK who said that there are no immigrants on planet Earth. If I am not mistaken, the 9 billion projection of the earth's holding capacity is based on a consumption pattern that keeps the US using 80% of the world resources. That is certainly negotiable. Africa is mother country where all of us derive 97% of our DNA. The US immigration policy is different for the Mexicans as it is for the Canadians. Why do we need to follow European proprietary definitions of continents and countries. Did we not repeal the Chinese Exclusion Act less than a century ago? The projections on the life and demise of planet Earth is, at best, grossly exaggerated, on the on hand, and favoring a particular life style on the other. The Earthrise image projected one home. That's where I live. IMH naturalized American O! Jaime Vergara
Jaime, There's no question that the projection of a carrying capacity of 9 billion for the planet is based upon certain assumptions. Can we expand that by changing our consumption habits and lifestyles, and by configuring human habitat to increase density, etc.? Perhaps. But the point is, when you look at that Earthrise there is a parameter. It doesn't go on forever. At some point all the adjustments will have been made and we will hit a wall, and that point is closer now than ever before. And yet we continue to live, certainly in the developed world, as if there were no limits. The "big lie" that we can have unlimited growth (population, economic, etc.) on a finite planet must be replaced by a new story that acknowledges abundance and the possibility of equity for all, but within limits. In the process we have to assure that the developing nations and people everywhere living in poverty, upon whose backs the economic prosperity of the developed nations has been accomplished, from this point forward have the same opportunities as the rest us to a meaningful, quality life. But without acknowledging the limits, and now, the future is bleak for all, regardless of economic status. Randy Sent from my iPad
On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:32 AM, via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I think it was JFK who said that there are no immigrants on planet Earth.
If I am not mistaken, the 9 billion projection of the earth's holding capacity is based on a consumption pattern that keeps the US using 80% of the world resources. That is certainly negotiable.
Africa is mother country where all of us derive 97% of our DNA. The US immigration policy is different for the Mexicans as it is for the Canadians. Why do we need to follow European proprietary definitions of continents and countries.
Did we not repeal the Chinese Exclusion Act less than a century ago?
The projections on the life and demise of planet Earth is, at best, grossly exaggerated, on the on hand, and favoring a particular life style on the other. The Earthrise image projected one home. That's where I live.
IMH naturalized American O!
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I have to go along with Randy on this. Even if we stop the growth of fossil fuels, end conventional agriculture and the way we raise and slaughter livestock, the earth would have to do a lot of healing to get healthy levels of toxins, etc. Good news is that Georgetown, TX, a conservative township north of Austin, has gone 100% renewable (wind and solar) and bragging about it. Austin has passed law that any new energy source has to be renewable. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley
On Aug 11, 2015, at 8:09 AM, Randy Williams via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Jaime,
There's no question that the projection of a carrying capacity of 9 billion for the planet is based upon certain assumptions. Can we expand that by changing our consumption habits and lifestyles, and by configuring human habitat to increase density, etc.? Perhaps.
But the point is, when you look at that Earthrise there is a parameter. It doesn't go on forever. At some point all the adjustments will have been made and we will hit a wall, and that point is closer now than ever before. And yet we continue to live, certainly in the developed world, as if there were no limits.
The "big lie" that we can have unlimited growth (population, economic, etc.) on a finite planet must be replaced by a new story that acknowledges abundance and the possibility of equity for all, but within limits. In the process we have to assure that the developing nations and people everywhere living in poverty, upon whose backs the economic prosperity of the developed nations has been accomplished, from this point forward have the same opportunities as the rest us to a meaningful, quality life. But without acknowledging the limits, and now, the future is bleak for all, regardless of economic status.
Randy
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:32 AM, via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
I think it was JFK who said that there are no immigrants on planet Earth.
If I am not mistaken, the 9 billion projection of the earth's holding capacity is based on a consumption pattern that keeps the US using 80% of the world resources. That is certainly negotiable.
Africa is mother country where all of us derive 97% of our DNA. The US immigration policy is different for the Mexicans as it is for the Canadians. Why do we need to follow European proprietary definitions of continents and countries.
Did we not repeal the Chinese Exclusion Act less than a century ago?
The projections on the life and demise of planet Earth is, at best, grossly exaggerated, on the on hand, and favoring a particular life style on the other. The Earthrise image projected one home. That's where I live.
IMH naturalized American O!
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Good dialog. On Thrs. blog post from David Korten (via Randy), talking about the radical new story needed. From: George Holcombe via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Reply-To: George Holcombe <geowanda1@me.com> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 9:55 AM To: Randy Williams <randycw1938@gmail.com> Cc: Jaime Vergara <wangzhimu2031@aol.com>, ICA/OE List Serves <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>, "oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net" <oe-request@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] African migrations I have to go along with Randy on this. Even if we stop the growth of fossil fuels, end conventional agriculture and the way we raise and slaughter livestock, the earth would have to do a lot of healing to get healthy levels of toxins, etc. Good news is that Georgetown, TX, a conservative township north of Austin, has gone 100% renewable (wind and solar) and bragging about it. Austin has passed law that any new energy source has to be renewable. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley
On Aug 11, 2015, at 8:09 AM, Randy Williams via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Jaime,
There's no question that the projection of a carrying capacity of 9 billion for the planet is based upon certain assumptions. Can we expand that by changing our consumption habits and lifestyles, and by configuring human habitat to increase density, etc.? Perhaps.
But the point is, when you look at that Earthrise there is a parameter. It doesn't go on forever. At some point all the adjustments will have been made and we will hit a wall, and that point is closer now than ever before. And yet we continue to live, certainly in the developed world, as if there were no limits.
The "big lie" that we can have unlimited growth (population, economic, etc.) on a finite planet must be replaced by a new story that acknowledges abundance and the possibility of equity for all, but within limits. In the process we have to assure that the developing nations and people everywhere living in poverty, upon whose backs the economic prosperity of the developed nations has been accomplished, from this point forward have the same opportunities as the rest us to a meaningful, quality life. But without acknowledging the limits, and now, the future is bleak for all, regardless of economic status.
Randy
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:32 AM, via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I think it was JFK who said that there are no immigrants on planet Earth.
If I am not mistaken, the 9 billion projection of the earth's holding capacity is based on a consumption pattern that keeps the US using 80% of the world resources. That is certainly negotiable.
Africa is mother country where all of us derive 97% of our DNA. The US immigration policy is different for the Mexicans as it is for the Canadians. Why do we need to follow European proprietary definitions of continents and countries.
Did we not repeal the Chinese Exclusion Act less than a century ago?
The projections on the life and demise of planet Earth is, at best, grossly exaggerated, on the on hand, and favoring a particular life style on the other. The Earthrise image projected one home. That's where I live.
IMH naturalized American O!
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