Sounds like the prince-bishops in Europe for much of the last millennium. Dialogue across sectors between equals probably generates better conversation. Sent from my iPhone On 24 Nov 2014, at 14:59, Randy Williams via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Jim, This is a very interesting interview. One of the messages I get from Armstrong is, were she to organize society as we do in the SP, she would likely say that the lines separating the economic from the political from the cultural are becoming very blurred, maybe even to the point is seamlessness. I certainly see some of this in the ways of the world. What say you? Are these lines disappearing and, if so, is this a good thing or something responsible people should try to counteract? Randy

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I’m never sure I’m responding to actually what is being said, but my take is that the Social Process Triangles and Armstrong is about the oneness of all and the struggle to talk about it in a way we experience reality. I do not think of E-P-C separate but a part of a single dynamic we call life. Much like the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, each entity has its’ own energy, but not separate from the others. I also like the Yin-Yang which depicts that the opposites are also part of each other and is about balance. We have spoken about imbalance, and I certainly experience that. It is that which creates movement. The economic over-emphasis which has been in place for sometime leads us to all kinds of acts toward rebalancing or balancing, which in actuality never happens. It might indicate death or stasis. Karen Armstrong, for me, is correct in pointing to terrorism when identified within one category may have more of its strengths, causes and implications in a different one. Certainly if we want to deal with terrorism to lessen it, the greater part will not be treated by changing religion or a religion. Economics and politics have perhaps the larger role. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley

On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Randy Williams via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Jim, This is a very interesting interview. One of the messages I get from Armstrong is, were she to organize society as we do in the SP, she would likely say that the lines separating the economic from the political from the cultural are becoming very blurred, maybe even to the point is seamlessness. I certainly see some of this in the ways of the world. What say you? Are these lines disappearing and, if so, is this a good thing or something responsible people should try to counteract? Randy

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Dharma, Thanks for reminding us that the SP is a system of interrelated, interdependent parts. And as with all systems, the whole is greater than and other than the parts. In our time the E and the P are interacting as if the C did not exist, and that's a problem. Perhaps Armstrong is suggesting that the lines should be more blurred and the dynamics more blended in order to achieve balance. Appreciate your insights. Randy Sent from my iPad

On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:26 PM, Dharmalingam Vinasithamby <dvinasithamby@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Randy,

I think her view would be that this has always been the situation.

The insight of the SP is that economics, politics and culture are dynamical relations not separate territories.

I suppose her insight would be that the practice of isolating religion for blame as the culprit behind today's injustice is simplistic. So, actually, the problem is that, in terms of perception, the lines are not getting blurred they are getting more sharply defined so that people don't see the interactions between the three ie: the imbalances.

The problem that I see is that established religions are still trapped in a silo and unable to deal with the pluralistic world they have on their hands. This aggravates the injustice we see around us. My question: what is it about the imbalances that prevents them from coming out of these silos?

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Dharma

On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:00 AM, Randy Williams via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Jim, This is a very interesting interview. One of the messages I get from Armstrong is, were she to organize society as we do in the SP, she would likely say that the lines separating the economic from the political from the cultural are becoming very blurred, maybe even to the point is seamlessness. I certainly see some of this in the ways of the world. What say you? Are these lines disappearing and, if so, is this a good thing or something responsible people should try to counteract? Randy

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