Jack, Your chart is wonderful. I was wondering if Training, Inc. might not be something that fills in that empty box in training. As one who was sent to be a permeator in every location I was ever assigned, popular preaching was my forte. I think sometimes it is the most sustaining aspect of my work at the motel even today. (I had a fellow down for breakfast yesterday morning who was talking about wondering if the job he was doing made a difference. I explained to him that the difference we make is not something we are promised to know in this lifetime. Told him a little story about having something someone had appreciated revealed to me, and then mentioned letting others know their impact on us. I said it was a gratitude thing. He left the breakfast room a different person, smiling, laughing.) I didn't find the permeators guild work in the training and I was a part of the social workers that worked in Fifth City. I am certain that the teachers would have equivalent revelations to offer. There was always, through permeation and fund raising, a strong connection of our strategies to the larger world. It was like the seeds that are scattered in springtime with weeping. I guess I am suggesting that this continuous external engagement that brought data back into the community is an essential piece to the research, demonstration and training process, If I were working on triangles, I would name it a "that without which" dynamic. Forgive me in advance if this sounds like someone who wants to make the form of their engagement year after year sound more important than it was to the journey of the whole. Everyone has to have a story and this is a big part of mine and I am sticking to it. Thanks for all your efforts. Love to Judi, Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Gilles To: Order Ecumenical Community Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] An Amazing Two Days at ICA Chicago-Telling OurStory & The Global Archives Herman, It was a delight for us to have you there for two days. Your passion for our "living legacy" is indeed the same we are doing in the Archives. We are excited to be exploring with computer technologies on how we might make that a reality. I did some adjustment on the screen you have sent out. Here it is. I intend to develop a short description for each item which will be available in a week. Someone mentioned our work on Popular Preaching and I'm still trying to figure where that would go in the chart. We are interested in other areas of our work that need to be included. Jack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Herman Greene wrote: I spent what for me were an amazing two days in Chicago last Thursday and Friday. I went because Jack and Judy Gilles were working on the Global Archives and were going to leave this morning, September 30. It was the only time I could get to see them. I am finding a yearning to tell our story and bring some of it forward. More particularly I miss working with people who were formed out of the same fire as I was. I work with activists, truly “Those Who Care,” but something is missing for me. It’s primarily an interior aspect—that “die on the march” aspect, that “live the mystery” aspect, that “the past is approved and the future is open (to be created)” aspect, that “we can get anything down that is necessary” aspect, that “we can drop everything and focus . . . and sacrifice” aspect,” that “we can leave all our possessions behind” if need be aspect. One could argue that the Marines also create this kind of interior steel and discipline, but it is different. (Actually the Marines might excel in honor of country and even willingness to die, but it is still different.) I have only experienced this in the Order. I know this has made me much of what I am and I have a yearning to pass it on to others, especially as I realize my own age, 67, and see so many colleagues passing away. So while a part of me thinks its silly for grownups to be filing all the town meeting 76 event folders (and all the work that goes into that), another part of me also claws back to recover that past . . . for the future. What we were as the Order has passed away (I mean in terms of being able to re-create it as it was again), and all of those magnificent moments and events we created have passed away. Yet there is an echo in the hallway that will not stop. I will go into this more later, but what past it is that I want to pass on is difficult to grasp. Is it the Order, RSI, EI, ICA, EI and ICA, all before Joe died (or in my case before 1975 when I left the Order), all up to today including the recent history of ICA? I have some ideas, but they are not important for this email. All that’s important now is that I was drawn back to Chicago to discuss, primarily with Jack, how the spirit transformation part of who we were then (and inside are now) can be transmitted to the future as we who experienced this grow older and older and pass away. The “we” I am talking about is those of us who carry a memory back of 50-55 years (other may have a different time span) when it seems to me the really creative breakthroughs occurred. I’m at the younger end of those who experienced that as adults (I was 21 when I joined the Order in 1967). Now some may have joined in 1972 or later and still have “gotten it,” but what I am talking about is something that was gotten or it was not, back then. So we are a dying cohort and the question has arisen for me whether there is something we still need to do together? My answer is I think that if there is something that we still need to do together it is to transmit that legacy as a living legacy for present and future generations. Part of this is transmitting facts, part the interior narrative, but most of all it is transmitting the timeless spiritual reality we came to know and which has shaped our lives but this is not easy because it is not a simple thing. It’s much more than just coming out of an RS-1, or any other short even, inspired I had many important moments of understanding this past week in Chicago and felt tremendous gratitude for what Marge Philbrook and colleagues have done on the archives, and for the work Jack has done in thinking through how this can be a living legacy. I In brief Jack and those who workshopped with him, realized that its not just a matter of preserving the past by putting facts in file cabinets and waiting for someone to want it, but it is giving people a way of understanding what’s in the collection (Jack uses the term “curation” like a museum curator) and applying that material to the cutting edge issues of our time. What I especially appreciated though was the attached chart in three formats, because it gave me a way to grasp the entirety of what it is that we were/are/may need in some fashion to pass on. In a certain sense the attached chart overwhelms me because I thought there were a few key things like “contextual ethics” and the RS-1 dynamic and a few other things that might “really need to be” passed on . . . just a few key things. But now I see it was “all of it”—a giant spiritual event and happening that unfolded over many years and took many forms all of which were a single event. To recreate this would require thousands of people in summer assemblies and a new order and that is not going to happen. Yet I think there is something we can do and need to do and which no one else can do. So, in conclusion, I believe there is something we still need to do together and that is to pass on a living legacy. By distinguishing legacy from living legacy I meant this: “Legacy” is preserving the past for its own sake. “Living legacy” is recovering the past so that it might continue to transform the future. The attached Accessions chart is just a beginning. I know that Jack would like to receive your suggestions. More soon, Herman _____________________________________________ Herman Greene 2516 Winningham Drive Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-929-4116 (h) 919-624-0579 (c) 919-942-4358 (f) Skype: hgreene-nc hfgreene@mindspring.com <Accessions Grouping.pdf><Accessions Grouping.doc><Accessions Grouping.xls>_______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Herman, It was a delight for us to have you there for two days. Your passion for our "living legacy" is indeed the same we are doing in the Archives. We are excited to be exploring with computer technologies on how we might make that a reality. I did some adjustment on the screen you have sent out. Here it is. I intend to develop a short description for each item which will be available in a week. Someone mentioned our work on Popular Preaching and I'm still trying to figure where that would go in the chart. We are interested in other areas of our work that need to be included. Jack On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Herman Greene wrote:

I spent what for me were an amazing two days in Chicago last Thursday and Friday. I went because Jack and Judy Gilles were working on the Global Archives and were going to leave this morning, September 30. It was the only time I could get to see them.

I am finding a yearning to tell our story and bring some of it forward. More particularly I miss working with people who were formed out of the same fire as I was. I work with activists, truly “Those Who Care,” but something is missing for me. It’s primarily an interior aspect—that “die on the march” aspect, that “live the mystery” aspect, that “the past is approved and the future is open (to be created)” aspect, that “we can get anything down that is necessary” aspect, that “we can drop everything and focus . . . and sacrifice” aspect,” that “we can leave all our possessions behind” if need be aspect.

One could argue that the Marines also create this kind of interior steel and discipline, but it is different. (Actually the Marines might excel in honor of country and even willingness to die, but it is still different.)

I have only experienced this in the Order. I know this has made me much of what I am and I have a yearning to pass it on to others, especially as I realize my own age, 67, and see so many colleagues passing away.

So while a part of me thinks its silly for grownups to be filing all the town meeting 76 event folders (and all the work that goes into that), another part of me also claws back to recover that past . . . for the future.

What we were as the Order has passed away (I mean in terms of being able to re-create it as it was again), and all of those magnificent moments and events we created have passed away. Yet there is an echo in the hallway that will not stop.

I will go into this more later, but what past it is that I want to pass on is difficult to grasp. Is it the Order, RSI, EI, ICA, EI and ICA, all before Joe died (or in my case before 1975 when I left the Order), all up to today including the recent history of ICA? I have some ideas, but they are not important for this email. All that’s important now is that I was drawn back to Chicago to discuss, primarily with Jack, how the spirit transformation part of who we were then (and inside are now) can be transmitted to the future as we who experienced this grow older and older and pass away.

The “we” I am talking about is those of us who carry a memory back of 50-55 years (other may have a different time span) when it seems to me the really creative breakthroughs occurred. I’m at the younger end of those who experienced that as adults (I was 21 when I joined the Order in 1967). Now some may have joined in 1972 or later and still have “gotten it,” but what I am talking about is something that was gotten or it was not, back then.

So we are a dying cohort and the question has arisen for me whether there is something we still need to do together? My answer is I think that if there is something that we still need to do together it is to transmit that legacy as a living legacy for present and future generations. Part of this is transmitting facts, part the interior narrative, but most of all it is transmitting the timeless spiritual reality we came to know and which has shaped our lives but this is not easy because it is not a simple thing. It’s much more than just coming out of an RS-1, or any other short even, inspired

I had many important moments of understanding this past week in Chicago and felt tremendous gratitude for what Marge Philbrook and colleagues have done on the archives, and for the work Jack has done in thinking through how this can be a living legacy. I

In brief Jack and those who workshopped with him, realized that its not just a matter of preserving the past by putting facts in file cabinets and waiting for someone to want it, but it is giving people a way of understanding what’s in the collection (Jack uses the term “curation” like a museum curator) and applying that material to the cutting edge issues of our time. What I especially appreciated though was the attached chart in three formats, because it gave me a way to grasp the entirety of what it is that we were/are/may need in some fashion to pass on.

In a certain sense the attached chart overwhelms me because I thought there were a few key things like “contextual ethics” and the RS-1 dynamic and a few other things that might “really need to be” passed on . . . just a few key things. But now I see it was “all of it”—a giant spiritual event and happening that unfolded over many years and took many forms all of which were a single event. To recreate this would require thousands of people in summer assemblies and a new order and that is not going to happen. Yet I think there is something we can do and need to do and which no one else can do.

So, in conclusion, I believe there is something we still need to do together and that is to pass on a living legacy. By distinguishing legacy from living legacy I meant this: “Legacy” is preserving the past for its own sake. “Living legacy” is recovering the past so that it might continue to transform the future.

The attached Accessions chart is just a beginning. I know that Jack would like to receive your suggestions.

More soon,

Herman

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Margaret, Others have suggested that place for Training Inc. I put TI into the "Demonstration" set because I felt it was more a social demonstration than just training. Randy Williams suggested that although we used the word "Training" in our threesome, we probably meant Education, which most of the things in that set seem to do. As for the permeators guild work, I held that in the Guild section, bottom right. Indeed, it was certainly more than a job and more than just generating income for our stipends and funds. Those that found themselves consistently working out became very consciously our eyes and ears into the structures of the world. I remember so well all those worked in the American schools in so many countries took such pride in what they did. Thanks for the feedback and keep thinking, especially areas we've not noted. Grace & Peace, Jack On Oct 4, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Margaret Helen Aiseayew wrote:

Jack, Your chart is wonderful. I was wondering if Training, Inc. might not be something that fills in that empty box in training. As one who was sent to be a permeator in every location I was ever assigned, popular preaching was my forte. I think sometimes it is the most sustaining aspect of my work at the motel even today.

(I had a fellow down for breakfast yesterday morning who was talking about wondering if the job he was doing made a difference. I explained to him that the difference we make is not something we are promised to know in this lifetime. Told him a little story about having something someone had appreciated revealed to me, and then mentioned letting others know their impact on us. I said it was a gratitude thing. He left the breakfast room a different person, smiling, laughing.)

I didn't find the permeators guild work in the training and I was a part of the social workers that worked in Fifth City. I am certain that the teachers would have equivalent revelations to offer. There was always, through permeation and fund raising, a strong connection of our strategies to the larger world. It was like the seeds that are scattered in springtime with weeping. I guess I am suggesting that this continuous external engagement that brought data back into the community is an essential piece to the research, demonstration and training process, If I were working on triangles, I would name it a "that without which" dynamic.

Forgive me in advance if this sounds like someone who wants to make the form of their engagement year after year sound more important than it was to the journey of the whole. Everyone has to have a story and this is a big part of mine and I am sticking to it. Thanks for all your efforts.

Love to Judi, Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Gilles To: Order Ecumenical Community Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] An Amazing Two Days at ICA Chicago-Telling OurStory & The Global Archives

Herman,

It was a delight for us to have you there for two days. Your passion for our "living legacy" is indeed the same we are doing in the Archives. We are excited to be exploring with computer technologies on how we might make that a reality. I did some adjustment on the screen you have sent out. Here it is. I intend to develop a short description for each item which will be available in a week. Someone mentioned our work on Popular Preaching and I'm still trying to figure where that would go in the chart. We are interested in other areas of our work that need to be included.

Jack

On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Herman Greene wrote:

...

I spent what for me were an amazing two days in Chicago last Thursday and Friday. I went because Jack and Judy Gilles were working on the Global Archives and were going to leave this morning, September 30. It was the only time I could get to see them. I am finding a yearning to tell our story and bring some of it forward. More particularly I miss working with people who were formed out of the same fire as I was. I work with activists, truly “Those Who Care,” but something is missing for me. It’s primarily an interior aspect—that “die on the march” aspect, that “live the mystery” aspect, that “the past is approved and the future is open (to be created)” aspect, that “we can get anything down that is necessary” aspect, that “we can drop everything and focus . . . and sacrifice” aspect,” that “we can leave all our possessions behind” if need be aspect. One could argue that the Marines also create this kind of interior steel and discipline, but it is different. (Actually the Marines might excel in honor of country and even willingness to die, but it is still different.) I have only experienced this in the Order. I know this has made me much of what I am and I have a yearning to pass it on to others, especially as I realize my own age, 67, and see so many colleagues passing away. So while a part of me thinks its silly for grownups to be filing all the town meeting 76 event folders (and all the work that goes into that), another part of me also claws back to recover that past . . . for the future. What we were as the Order has passed away (I mean in terms of being able to re-create it as it was again), and all of those magnificent moments and events we created have passed away. Yet there is an echo in the hallway that will not stop. I will go into this more later, but what past it is that I want to pass on is difficult to grasp. Is it the Order, RSI, EI, ICA, EI and ICA, all before Joe died (or in my case before 1975 when I left the Order), all up to today including the recent history of ICA? I have some ideas, but they are not important for this email. All that’s important now is that I was drawn back to Chicago to discuss, primarily with Jack, how the spirit transformation part of who we were then (and inside are now) can be transmitted to the future as we who experienced this grow older and older and pass away. The “we” I am talking about is those of us who carry a memory back of 50-55 years (other may have a different time span) when it seems to me the really creative breakthroughs occurred. I’m at the younger end of those who experienced that as adults (I was 21 when I joined the Order in 1967). Now some may have joined in 1972 or later and still have “gotten it,” but what I am talking about is something that was gotten or it was not, back then. So we are a dying cohort and the question has arisen for me whether there is something we still need to do together? My answer is I think that if there is something that we still need to do together it is to transmit that legacy as a living legacy for present and future generations. Part of this is transmitting facts, part the interior narrative, but most of all it is transmitting the timeless spiritual reality we came to know and which has shaped our lives but this is not easy because it is not a simple thing. It’s much more than just coming out of an RS-1, or any other short even, inspired I had many important moments of understanding this past week in Chicago and felt tremendous gratitude for what Marge Philbrook and colleagues have done on the archives, and for the work Jack has done in thinking through how this can be a living legacy. I In brief Jack and those who workshopped with him, realized that its not just a matter of preserving the past by putting facts in file cabinets and waiting for someone to want it, but it is giving people a way of understanding what’s in the collection (Jack uses the term “curation” like a museum curator) and applying that material to the cutting edge issues of our time. What I especially appreciated though was the attached chart in three formats, because it gave me a way to grasp the entirety of what it is that we were/are/may need in some fashion to pass on. In a certain sense the attached chart overwhelms me because I thought there were a few key things like “contextual ethics” and the RS-1 dynamic and a few other things that might “really need to be” passed on . . . just a few key things. But now I see it was “all of it”—a giant spiritual event and happening that unfolded over many years and took many forms all of which were a single event. To recreate this would require thousands of people in summer assemblies and a new order and that is not going to happen. Yet I think there is something we can do and need to do and which no one else can do. So, in conclusion, I believe there is something we still need to do together and that is to pass on a living legacy. By distinguishing legacy from living legacy I meant this: “Legacy” is preserving the past for its own sake. “Living legacy” is recovering the past so that it might continue to transform the future. The attached Accessions chart is just a beginning. I know that Jack would like to receive your suggestions. More soon, Herman _____________________________________________ Herman Greene 2516 Winningham Drive Chapel Hill, NC 27516 919-929-4116 (h) 919-624-0579 (c) 919-942-4358 (f) Skype: hgreene-nc hfgreene@mindspring.com <Accessions Grouping.pdf><Accessions Grouping.doc><Accessions Grouping.xls>_______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net

Herman,

It was a delight for us to have you there for two days. Your passion for our "living legacy" is indeed the same we are doing in the Archives. We are excited to be exploring with computer technologies on how we might make that a reality. I did some adjustment on the screen you have sent out. Here it is. I intend to develop a short description for each item which will be available in a week. Someone mentioned our work on Popular Preaching and I'm still trying to figure where that would go in the chart. We are interested in other areas of our work that need to be included.

Jack

On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Herman Greene wrote:

...

I spent what for me were an amazing two days in Chicago last Thursday and Friday. I went because Jack and Judy Gilles were working on the Global Archives and were going to leave this morning, September 30. It was the only time I could get to see them.

I am finding a yearning to tell our story and bring some of it forward. More particularly I miss working with people who were formed out of the same fire as I was. I work with activists, truly “Those Who Care,” but something is missing for me. It’s primarily an interior aspect—that “die on the march” aspect, that “live the mystery” aspect, that “the past is approved and the future is open (to be created)” aspect, that “we can get anything down that is necessary” aspect, that “we can drop everything and focus . . . and sacrifice” aspect,” that “we can leave all our possessions behind” if need be aspect.

One could argue that the Marines also create this kind of interior steel and discipline, but it is different. (Actually the Marines might excel in honor of country and even willingness to die, but it is still different.)

I have only experienced this in the Order. I know this has made me much of what I am and I have a yearning to pass it on to others, especially as I realize my own age, 67, and see so many colleagues passing away.

So while a part of me thinks its silly for grownups to be filing all the town meeting 76 event folders (and all the work that goes into that), another part of me also claws back to recover that past . . . for the future.

What we were as the Order has passed away (I mean in terms of being able to re-create it as it was again), and all of those magnificent moments and events we created have passed away. Yet there is an echo in the hallway that will not stop.

I will go into this more later, but what past it is that I want to pass on is difficult to grasp. Is it the Order, RSI, EI, ICA, EI and ICA, all before Joe died (or in my case before 1975 when I left the Order), all up to today including the recent history of ICA? I have some ideas, but they are not important for this email. All that’s important now is that I was drawn back to Chicago to discuss, primarily with Jack, how the spirit transformation part of who we were then (and inside are now) can be transmitted to the future as we who experienced this grow older and older and pass away.

The “we” I am talking about is those of us who carry a memory back of 50-55 years (other may have a different time span) when it seems to me the really creative breakthroughs occurred. I’m at the younger end of those who experienced that as adults (I was 21 when I joined the Order in 1967). Now some may have joined in 1972 or later and still have “gotten it,” but what I am talking about is something that was gotten or it was not, back then.

So we are a dying cohort and the question has arisen for me whether there is something we still need to do together? My answer is I think that if there is something that we still need to do together it is to transmit that legacy as a living legacy for present and future generations. Part of this is transmitting facts, part the interior narrative, but most of all it is transmitting the timeless spiritual reality we came to know and which has shaped our lives but this is not easy because it is not a simple thing. It’s much more than just coming out of an RS-1, or any other short even, inspired

I had many important moments of understanding this past week in Chicago and felt tremendous gratitude for what Marge Philbrook and colleagues have done on the archives, and for the work Jack has done in thinking through how this can be a living legacy. I

In brief Jack and those who workshopped with him, realized that its not just a matter of preserving the past by putting facts in file cabinets and waiting for someone to want it, but it is giving people a way of understanding what’s in the collection (Jack uses the term “curation” like a museum curator) and applying that material to the cutting edge issues of our time. What I especially appreciated though was the attached chart in three formats, because it gave me a way to grasp the entirety of what it is that we were/are/may need in some fashion to pass on.

In a certain sense the attached chart overwhelms me because I thought there were a few key things like “contextual ethics” and the RS-1 dynamic and a few other things that might “really need to be” passed on . . . just a few key things. But now I see it was “all of it”—a giant spiritual event and happening that unfolded over many years and took many forms all of which were a single event. To recreate this would require thousands of people in summer assemblies and a new order and that is not going to happen. Yet I think there is something we can do and need to do and which no one else can do.

So, in conclusion, I believe there is something we still need to do together and that is to pass on a living legacy. By distinguishing legacy from living legacy I meant this: “Legacy” is preserving the past for its own sake. “Living legacy” is recovering the past so that it might continue to transform the future.

The attached Accessions chart is just a beginning. I know that Jack would like to receive your suggestions.

More soon,

Herman

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