The news is rotting my brain!! January 8, 2013 Musings by Del A six-year old child is sent home for pointing his finger at other kids in his class and saying "bang". A columnist pushes this stupidity to extremes in her spoof on dangerous 6-year -olds. Are we getting so crazy that 6-year-olds are that scary? And speaking of scary, three days after the Sandy Hook massacre of 6-year-olds and their teachers, in her own school, a teacher found the journal of a 17-year old boy, in which he plans his own massacre - six of his targets being Black schoolmates. Also, it was discovered that he was building bombs for this event, in his basement. We are a country (and maybe a whole world) gone mad! Yet the rhetoric continues, and people will soon forget Sandy Hook and all the rest that came before, probably without anything changed. Many people think that if we would just kinder to each other, get more psychological help, or if people are checked better when getting hand guns, or if we put a guard in each school, the carnage will stop. As far as I'm concerned, you'll never get all the crazies before they commit their monstrous acts. How about this thing we used to discuss called "structure is the key to change!" And what are the structures that need to come at the SOURCE of things, not at the various responses. How about some major changes in law that can begin to solve the problem of a nation that owns 100 guns to every 120 people! I would like to see Congress do three things: 1) Enact a law that no manufacturer can sell an automatic weapon to any individual, including any military person. They can only be sold to the military as a whole. 2) Ban all violent games; heavy fines and even jail time to any manufacturer of same. Laws make it more difficult to have child pornography get to children; why not the violence which is just as offensive and dangerous to young minds? 3) Put in place a stricter censorship of the movie and TV cable industries that limits showing gratuitous violence on the screen. Now, we already know these are bound to be impossible, don't we? This country is so driven by "individual rights" and the NRA lobby so strong, and our leadership so conservative, timid or hung-up on making sure Obama never gets anything he wants, that it neglects to do anything to protect society at large. Parents CHOOSE to not inoculate their children, so that later on their children can spread diseases that once went out of existence due to inoculation therapies. People who have AIDS don't have to have bloods tests or take meds, or even let anyone know they have it, so that they can spread the disease even further. Our quarantine system is a joke, practically non-existent, letting people walk around spreading whatever they have and choosing to do so by their own individual rights. Those whose pockets wouldn't be getting as full will have the final word, as usual, by insisting that our rights are being violated should Congress try to do anything to curb the spread of terror and disease. They'll insist that violence on the screen, whether in the home or in the theatre, doesn't do anything to children's brains and ideas. They'll insist on the right to have assault weapons (how many bullets does it take to bring down a deer anyway?). There seems to be little questioning as to why any individual needs anything more than a single-shot weapon. We continue to create laws that, so far, seem to protect the doer and not the "done-to" victim. The best and freest treatment, including surgeries, seems to be in the prisons. No wonder convicts keep going back in once they get out. Suddenly they have to pay for their lodging and food and TV and weight room and sports equipment, and pay for their own hospital care, instead of everyone else's taxes. Perhaps we should all find a way to retire in the prisons! We are a culture gone mad with our so-called individual rights. I am convinced that our forbearers did NOT have this kind of world in mind when it created our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Maybe it is time that those masterful documents be updated to the realities of the world we have been and still are creating. It is truly appalling to me that our own nation should be at the top of the list of nations in violent deaths - above the worst of nations who systematically kill off anyone who the leader disagrees with. No, we are a nation PROUD of the fact that we don't have such dictators - we just let anyone run amok, killing whomever displeases them. Do we believe that our killing rate is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the horrible things like various holocausts caused by other nations in the world. Do we really? Let's start adding up all of the victims and see whose total is higher, shall we? What do you want to bet that we would WIN! Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor@wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell)
Well, Del--you got that off your chest. . . . . . . . and you did it for a lot others of us. So, we thank you. I'd even promote your list of legislative actions just because they are rational things to address the indicative situation. I suspect that 5th City would not have experienced the "change of culture" by legislation alone. As someone of us has suggested, the question to solve is what mind-changing/mind-challenging imaginal activities and events that need to take place to begin changing the mind-set, something to off-set the culture of violence in which we now live. At least a part of the problem--and it could be a major part--is the death of our modern worldview and the birth of postmodernism. This is an activity that has been 100 years in the making. At last, the Social Process has not only collapsed--it's GONE! As we learned in the God Lecture, this societal change has been very rapid considering historical time. Each of the other major changes took place over several hundred years. The Modern Era is only 600 years old and it died in 1917 with E=mc2. The death was lingering, but finally committed to its resting place in 1985--the birth date of those who manage the early stages of a brand new invention in history: global society. In particular, those of us born prior to 1985 experience that there is nothing on which to stand that is the least bit familiar and it is scaring people shit-less. All of these experiences, nationally and internationally, are the death-throws of the "end of the age;" this is not a theological position, rather it is an ontological condition: we live in sociological End Times. If the truth-be-known, the solution to our present experience no longer is in our hands. Rather, the generation born on the cusp of 1985 is the vanguard of globality that is replacing nationalism. Those of us who are awake can share the tools necessary for the next generation to build a global society. Isn't this what the ICA is doing along with the support of ToP training? First, some of us old dogs can continue to tell the truth about this huge change of life; the by-word here is "relax, the world is in the hands of the future." Second, we can continue to stir the waters by working on our little bit of the triangle knowing that when we punch our little part of the societal micro-chip, we are stirring the whole Social Process. Now is the time for gentleness with a firm message that the future is in good hands, until then global society lives in a wounded existence. Later, may be the time for ruthlessness and tough love. Remember when Joseph's message shifted from gentleness to awakenment. About the time we joined the Order in 1972, the mood was shifting back because the American society was wounded--they didn't need to be kicked around like they did in 1960's; the hippy generation lived in a time of the great escape, and Joseph would have none of it. Ah, dear Del! It is good to have you back in the harness again. Take good care of yourself so that you can take good care of the turf that is given to you. Inner Peace, Bill Salmon ----- Original Message ----- From: Del Morril To: Order Ecumenical Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: [Oe List ...] Musings by Del The news is rotting my brain!! January 8, 2013 Musings by Del A six-year old child is sent home for pointing his finger at other kids in his class and saying "bang". A columnist pushes this stupidity to extremes in her spoof on dangerous 6-year -olds. Are we getting so crazy that 6-year-olds are that scary? And speaking of scary, three days after the Sandy Hook massacre of 6-year-olds and their teachers, in her own school, a teacher found the journal of a 17-year old boy, in which he plans his own massacre - six of his targets being Black schoolmates. Also, it was discovered that he was building bombs for this event, in his basement. We are a country (and maybe a whole world) gone mad! Yet the rhetoric continues, and people will soon forget Sandy Hook and all the rest that came before, probably without anything changed. Many people think that if we would just kinder to each other, get more psychological help, or if people are checked better when getting hand guns, or if we put a guard in each school, the carnage will stop. As far as I'm concerned, you'll never get all the crazies before they commit their monstrous acts. How about this thing we used to discuss called "structure is the key to change!" And what are the structures that need to come at the SOURCE of things, not at the various responses. How about some major changes in law that can begin to solve the problem of a nation that owns 100 guns to every 120 people! I would like to see Congress do three things: 1) Enact a law that no manufacturer can sell an automatic weapon to any individual, including any military person. They can only be sold to the military as a whole. 2) Ban all violent games; heavy fines and even jail time to any manufacturer of same. Laws make it more difficult to have child pornography get to children; why not the violence which is just as offensive and dangerous to young minds? 3) Put in place a stricter censorship of the movie and TV cable industries that limits showing gratuitous violence on the screen. Now, we already know these are bound to be impossible, don't we? This country is so driven by "individual rights" and the NRA lobby so strong, and our leadership so conservative, timid or hung-up on making sure Obama never gets anything he wants, that it neglects to do anything to protect society at large. Parents CHOOSE to not inoculate their children, so that later on their children can spread diseases that once went out of existence due to inoculation therapies. People who have AIDS don't have to have bloods tests or take meds, or even let anyone know they have it, so that they can spread the disease even further. Our quarantine system is a joke, practically non-existent, letting people walk around spreading whatever they have and choosing to do so by their own individual rights. Those whose pockets wouldn't be getting as full will have the final word, as usual, by insisting that our rights are being violated should Congress try to do anything to curb the spread of terror and disease. They'll insist that violence on the screen, whether in the home or in the theatre, doesn't do anything to children's brains and ideas. They'll insist on the right to have assault weapons (how many bullets does it take to bring down a deer anyway?). There seems to be little questioning as to why any individual needs anything more than a single-shot weapon. We continue to create laws that, so far, seem to protect the doer and not the "done-to" victim. The best and freest treatment, including surgeries, seems to be in the prisons. No wonder convicts keep going back in once they get out. Suddenly they have to pay for their lodging and food and TV and weight room and sports equipment, and pay for their own hospital care, instead of everyone else's taxes. Perhaps we should all find a way to retire in the prisons! We are a culture gone mad with our so-called individual rights. I am convinced that our forbearers did NOT have this kind of world in mind when it created our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Maybe it is time that those masterful documents be updated to the realities of the world we have been and still are creating. It is truly appalling to me that our own nation should be at the top of the list of nations in violent deaths - above the worst of nations who systematically kill off anyone who the leader disagrees with. No, we are a nation PROUD of the fact that we don't have such dictators - we just let anyone run amok, killing whomever displeases them. Do we believe that our killing rate is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the horrible things like various holocausts caused by other nations in the world. Do we really? Let's start adding up all of the victims and see whose total is higher, shall we? What do you want to bet that we would WIN! Del Del Hunter Morrill 3217 North Mason Avenue Tacoma WA 98407-5419 H: (253) 752-1506; W: (253) 383-5757 delhmor@wamail.net Web site: www. hypnocenter.com The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. (Joseph Campbell) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6016 - Release Date: 01/07/13
Suggest the reading of Meg Wheatley's latest book So Far From Home. Great statement of the hope beyond hope, in the sense in which Kaz spoke of hope as the greatest temptation. Randy Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:52 PM, "William Salmon" <wsalmon@cox.net> wrote:
Well, Del--you got that off your chest. . . . . . . . and you did it for a lot others of us. So, we thank you. I'd even promote your list of legislative actions just because they are rational things to address the indicative situation. I suspect that 5th City would not have experienced the "change of culture" by legislation alone. As someone of us has suggested, the question to solve is what mind-changing/mind-challenging imaginal activities and events that need to take place to begin changing the mind-set, something to off-set the culture of violence in which we now live. At least a part of the problem--and it could be a major part--is the death of our modern worldview and the birth of postmodernism. This is an activity that has been 100 years in the making. At last, the Social Process has not only collapsed--it's GONE! As we learned in the God Lecture, this societal change has been very rapid considering historical time. Each of the other major changes took place over several hundred years. The Modern Era is only 600 years old and it died in 1917 with E=mc2. The death was lingering, but finally committed to its resting place in 1985--the birth date of those who manage the early stages of a brand new invention in history: global society. In particular, those of us born prior to 1985 experience that there is nothing on which to stand that is the least bit familiar and it is scaring people shit-less. All of these experiences, nationally and internationally, are the death-throws of the "end of the age;" this is not a theological position, rather it is an ontological condition: we live in sociological End Times. If the truth-be-known, the solution to our present experience no longer is in our hands. Rather, the generation born on the cusp of 1985 is the vanguard of globality that is replacing nationalism. Those of us who are awake can share the tools necessary for the next generation to build a global society. Isn't this what the ICA is doing along with the support of ToP training? First, some of us old dogs can continue to tell the truth about this huge change of life; the by-word here is "relax, the world is in the hands of the future." Second, we can continue to stir the waters by working on our little bit of the triangle knowing that when we punch our little part of the societal micro-chip, we are stirring the whole Social Process. Now is the time for gentleness with a firm message that the future is in good hands, until then global society lives in a wounded existence. Later, may be the time for ruthlessness and tough love. Remember when Joseph's message shifted from gentleness to awakenment. About the time we joined the Order in 1972, the mood was shifting back because the American society was wounded--they didn't need to be kicked around like they did in 1960's; the hippy generation lived in a time of the great escape, and Joseph would have none of it. Ah, dear Del! It is good to have you back in the harness again. Take good care of yourself so that you can take good care of the turf that is given to you. Inner Peace, Bill Salmon
----- Original Message ----- From: Del Morril To: Order Ecumenical Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: [Oe List ...] Musings by Del
The news is rotting my brain!!
January 8, 2013
Musings by Del
A six-year old child is sent home for pointing his finger at other kids in his class and saying “bang”. A columnist pushes this stupidity to extremes in her spoof on dangerous 6-year –olds. Are we getting so crazy that 6-year-olds are that scary? And speaking of scary, three days after the Sandy Hook massacre of 6-year-olds and their teachers, in her own school, a teacher found the journal of a 17-year old boy, in which he plans his own massacre – six of his targets being Black schoolmates. Also, it was discovered that he was building bombs for this event, in his basement.
We are a country (and maybe a whole world) gone mad! Yet the rhetoric continues, and people will soon forget Sandy Hook and all the rest that came before, probably without anything changed. Many people think that if we would just kinder to each other, get more psychological help, or if people are checked better when getting hand guns, or if we put a guard in each school, the carnage will stop. As far as I’m concerned, you’ll never get all the crazies before they commit their monstrous acts. How about this thing we used to discuss called “structure is the key to change!” And what are the structures that need to come at the SOURCE of things, not at the various responses. How about some major changes in law that can begin to solve the problem of a nation that owns 100 guns to every 120 people! I would like to see Congress do three things:
1) Enact a law that no manufacturer can sell an automatic weapon to any individual, including any military person. They can only be sold to the military as a whole. 2) Ban all violent games; heavy fines and even jail time to any manufacturer of same. Laws make it more difficult to have child pornography get to children; why not the violence which is just as offensive and dangerous to young minds? 3) Put in place a stricter censorship of the movie and TV cable industries that limits showing gratuitous violence on the screen.
Now, we already know these are bound to be impossible, don’t we? This country is so driven by “individual rights” and the NRA lobby so strong, and our leadership so conservative, timid or hung-up on making sure Obama never gets anything he wants, that it neglects to do anything to protect society at large. Parents CHOOSE to not inoculate their children, so that later on their children can spread diseases that once went out of existence due to inoculation therapies. People who have AIDS don’t have to have bloods tests or take meds, or even let anyone know they have it, so that they can spread the disease even further. Our quarantine system is a joke, practically non-existent, letting people walk around spreading whatever they have and choosing to do so by their own individual rights.
Those whose pockets wouldn’t be getting as full will have the final word, as usual, by insisting that our rights are being violated should Congress try to do anything to curb the spread of terror and disease. They’ll insist that violence on the screen, whether in the home or in the theatre, doesn’t do anything to children’s brains and ideas. They’ll insist on the right to have assault weapons (how many bullets does it take to bring down a deer anyway?). There seems to be little questioning as to why any individual needs anything more than a single-shot weapon.
We continue to create laws that, so far, seem to protect the doer and not the “done-to” victim. The best and freest treatment, including surgeries, seems to be in the prisons. No wonder convicts keep going back in once they get out. Suddenly they have to pay for their lodging and food and TV and weight room and sports equipment, and pay for their own hospital care, instead of everyone else’s taxes. Perhaps we should all find a way to retire in the prisons!
We are a culture gone mad with our so-called individual rights. I am convinced that our forbearers did NOT have this kind of world in mind when it created our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Maybe it is time that those masterful documents be updated to the realities of the world we have been and still are creating.
It is truly appalling to me that our own nation should be at the top of the list of nations in violent deaths – above the worst of nations who systematically kill off anyone who the leader disagrees with. No, we are a nation PROUD of the fact that we don’t have such dictators – we just let anyone run amok, killing whomever displeases them. Do we believe that our killing rate is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the horrible things like various holocausts caused by other nations in the world. Do we really? Let’s start adding up all of the victims and see whose total is higher, shall we? What do you want to bet that we would WIN!
Del
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Del, I second Randy's suggestion on Meg's book. I'm about half way through it and it is terrific. I feel everyone needs to read it. $9.99 Kindle edition. My own suggestion for a law on the assault rifles would be to make them illegal, but since it would be extremely hard to confiscate those already owned, I would have them have to be stored at a licensed gun range (people do enjoy shooting them for some perverse reasons) and anyone caught shooting "in the woods" or a place other than a licensed range would loose the weapon and pay a big fine. That way they are not confiscated from citizens, but their use is tightly controlled. Jack On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Randy Williams wrote:
Suggest the reading of Meg Wheatley's latest book So Far From Home. Great statement of the hope beyond hope, in the sense in which Kaz spoke of hope as the greatest temptation. Randy
Sent from my iPhone
Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda@earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope—you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien—it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews
George, A point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process them, rather than for the value they add to standard of living and quality of life. I dare say if water in your area, or ours, were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close. Maybe one onehundredth. Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley ________________________________ From: George Holcombe <geowanda@earthlink.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; ICA LIST SERVE <dialogue@wedgeblade.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda@earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope—you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien—it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
Right – 59% of the purified water in the Cherry Creek Water District (where we get our drinking water in Centennial, Colorado) is used to water lawns. Time for many people to change their practices, me included. Best, Sherwood George, A point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process them, rather than for the value they add to standard of living and quality of life. I dare say if water in your area, or ours, were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close. Maybe one onehundredth. Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley From: George Holcombe <geowanda@earthlink.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; ICA LIST SERVE <dialogue@wedgeblade.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda@earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope—you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien—it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
I hope the following is not a portent of the future. In this case they need water for fracking. Needless to say the Republicans won big in 2010 and we are beginning to see the results. Marianna North Carolina's General Assembly is about to take the unprecedented step of seizing a municipal-run water system from a city, which in this case has owned and operated it for over 100 years. Members of the NCGA have signaled their intention to introduce legislation in early 2013 that would force the city of Asheville to turn over not only its water distribution system, but control of its pristine 20,000 acre watershed, to the Metropolitan Sewerage District of Buncombe County (MSD). Indications are that the city of Asheville will likely receive no compensation for the taking of these assets. On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:03 PM, R Williams wrote:
George,
A point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process them, rather than for the value they add to standard of living and quality of life. I dare say if water in your area, or ours, were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close. Maybe one onehundredth.
Randy
"Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley
From: George Holcombe <geowanda@earthlink.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; ICA LIST SERVE <dialogue@wedgeblade.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del
Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly.
Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers.
In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that.
George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda@earthlink.net
Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope—you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien—it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. Mathews
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Sounds like a great future Supreme Court case (among many related others!). From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Marianna Bailey Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 2:08 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del I hope the following is not a portent of the future. In this case they need water for fracking. Needless to say the Republicans won big in 2010 and we are beginning to see the results. Marianna North Carolina's General Assembly is about to take the unprecedented step of seizing a municipal-run water system from a city, which in this case has owned and operated it for over 100 years. Members of the NCGA have signaled their intention to introduce legislation in early 2013 that would force the city of Asheville to turn over not only its water distribution system, but control of its pristine 20,000 acre watershed, to the Metropolitan Sewerage District of Buncombe County (MSD). Indications are that the city of Asheville will likely receive no compensation for the taking of these assets. On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:03 PM, R Williams wrote: George, A point Paul Hawken makes (Natural Capitalism) is that we currently determine the worth of natural resources based on what it costs to extract and process them, rather than for the value they add to standard of living and quality of life. I dare say if water in your area, or ours, were to be valued based on the quality of life it brings, and the deterioration of quality of life in its absence, then your friend's estimate that you're paying only a fourth what it's worth wouldn't even be close. Maybe one onehundredth. Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley From: George Holcombe <geowanda@earthlink.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; ICA LIST SERVE <dialogue@wedgeblade.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Response to Del Yes, everything seems to be in contention. From gun control to how do we address the rapidly growing inequity between rich and poor, but the matter that will put all of this as secondary is global climate change. What is happening in Australia, the island nations, rise of seas, the Arctic melt and increasing acidity of the oceans, the violent weather, Sandy in the U.S., Cyclone season in other parts of the world and last years Tornado season, expanding desertification and loss of potable water is going to change everything very quickly. Last night at our community meeting the question of water rates came up and the resident who serves on several state and federal water regulation and study groups, jumped to his feet and announced that what we are paying for water is a 4th of what it's worth and the cost will rise rapidly in the coming year, He also pleaded for everyone to stop watering their lawns, saying that's our drinking water. I'd never seen such passion coming from this cool, reasonable mediator type before. It is more than likely that the water sold to rice farmers in South Texas will be cut off because the lakes and aquifers around Austin are at historic lows and even if there were sustained heavy rains it would not fill the lakes or recharge the aquifers. In as much as the wealthy and corporate interests have large stakes in keeping the exploitation of natural resources and pollution levels as they are, or even increasing them, what is unfolding is breaking all of the models of sustainability and, in proportion, governance and life style. It is likely that, in my thinking, that locality will become more contentious and some of the questions that will be driving things will be how can I protect what I have. Facilitators might want to consider how to implement ways to aid the wealthy and the corporate world in how to step back from exploiting consumerism and become expert in conservation and slimming down as a way to profitability. Just as a way was found to eliminate CFCs for the most part and other chemicals creating the Ozone hole, I imagine something similar may begin to occupy the powers that have ignored climate change so far, which will have an enormous effect on how business and governance is done, and will effect everyone's life style and economics, particularly if these measures do not work. Some of the climatologist feel we passed the tipping point. If this be true, what are the models for living on the other side of that? Maybe some of our young folk are already working on that. George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda@earthlink.net Hope appeareth, but it is not your Hope-you do not have anything to do with it. It just appeareth. It comes as a stranger, as an alien-it just appeareth! You do not even know why you hope. How in the world could you hope when there is absolutely nothing to justify any hope? ~Joseph W. 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Del Morril -
George Holcombe -
Jack Gilles -
Marianna Bailey -
R Williams -
Randy Williams
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Sherwood Shankland -
Sunny Walker -
William Salmon