Thanks for that helpful detail! *Sunny Walker * *She/her/hers* *On **Arapaho, Cheyenne, Núu-agha-tʉvʉ-pʉ̱ (Ute), and Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux) tribal land* Certified Facilitator (Also Certified ToP Facilitator) ToP Methods Mentor Trainer - Upcoming Courses <https://www.top-training.net/w/> Virtual Facilitation Collaborative Senior Facilitator sunny.sunwalker@gmail.com 303-587-3017 For diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging inquiries: sunny@diversityinnovators.com www.diversityinnovators.com For virtual facilitation inquiries: sunny@virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com www.virtualfacilitationcollaborative.com On Mon, Oct 6, 2025, 2:41 PM Richard Alton via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Sunny, things are tight, but not something you want to share over the internet. Dick

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Yes, Chicago colleagues, share! Prayers for sanity & safety.

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I can't tell you how disappointed I am to read these words. ICE "invading"???? "Portecting" the Kemper Bldg if "it" happens??? "Warrant" to be shown??? Our "security profile"??? You folks have really gone off the deep edge. Susan Susan Fertig-Dykes And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11 From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of Terry Bergdall via OE Sent: Monday, October 06, 2025 6:42 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Terry Bergdall <bergdall2@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] ICE/ICA ICA has posted this sign (see attached) on the front doors at GreenRise and I understand ICA staff, especially receptionists who are present 24 hours in the lobby, have been prepared to respond in an appropriate and legal manner if ICE should appear. I leave it for others with an official position at ICA to elaborate beyond this. Lesley Showers is the CEO of ICA-USA, <lshowers@ica-usa.org<mailto:lshowers@ica-usa.org>>, if anyone should wish to contact her directly. Terry Bergdall On Oct 5, 2025, at 15:40, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:

What can we do to protect the Kemper Building/Greenrise whenever ICE decides to invade us? Just wondering what our security profile is. Marshall [cid:image001.jpg@01DC36F3.07E42FA0]

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Judi – Images function so powerfully… Bill From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of Judi White via OE Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2025 10:23 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Judi White <judiwhite070@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] ICE/ICA https://www.facebook.com/share/1Bj1roawFa/ <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/share/1Bj1roawFa/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1760459003000000&usg=AOvVaw1cVj1Oya5nteprYddcNYPn> On Mon, Oct 6, 2025, 6:59 PM Susan Fertig via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: I can’t tell you how disappointed I am to read these words. ICE “invading”???? “Portecting” the Kemper Bldg if “it” happens??? “Warrant” to be shown??? Our “security profile”??? You folks have really gone off the deep edge. Susan Susan Fertig-Dykes And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11 From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> > On Behalf Of Terry Bergdall via OE Sent: Monday, October 06, 2025 6:42 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > Cc: Terry Bergdall <bergdall2@gmail.com <mailto:bergdall2@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] ICE/ICA ICA has posted this sign (see attached) on the front doors at GreenRise and I understand ICA staff, especially receptionists who are present 24 hours in the lobby, have been prepared to respond in an appropriate and legal manner if ICE should appear. I leave it for others with an official position at ICA to elaborate beyond this. Lesley Showers is the CEO of ICA-USA, <lshowers@ica-usa.org <mailto:lshowers@ica-usa.org> >, if anyone should wish to contact her directly. Terry Bergdall On Oct 5, 2025, at 15:40, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:

What can we do to protect the Kemper Building/Greenrise whenever ICE decides to invade us? Just wondering what our security profile is. Marshall

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A more serious response. The law prohibits private individuals assaulting officers of the law at a different level than private individuals assaulting other private individuals. However, the use of ‘unreasonable’ force by law officers also has a higher standard than that required of private persons. Law enforcement officers are often held to a different standard for using force than ordinary citizens due to their professional duty to protect the public and enforce the law. This distinction arises from differences in legal protections, responsibility, training, and the circumstances under which they are authorized to use force. The "reasonable officer" standard vs. the "reasonable person" standard When evaluating the use of force, courts apply different legal standards to police and citizens. * For citizens, the "reasonable person" standard is used, which assesses whether a typical individual would have reasonably feared for their life or safety and acted in self-defense. * For police officers, the standard is "objective reasonableness," judged from the perspective of a "reasonable officer on the scene". This standard accounts for the fact that officers must make split-second decisions in tense and rapidly evolving situations. The Supreme Court established this standard in the 1989 case Graham v. Connor. That is why the death or injury of private persons caused by law enforcement officers finds a higher response. From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of Susan Fertig via OE Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2025 2:18 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Susan Fertig <sfertig@blueskytech.us> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] ICE/ICA It is chaos, for sure. Did you read the many reports of frozen water bottles, spit, feces etc. being lobbed at ICE and police? Susan Susan Fertig-Dykes And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11 From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> > On Behalf Of Judi White via OE Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2025 12:23 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > Cc: Judi White <judiwhite070@gmail.com <mailto:judiwhite070@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] ICE/ICA https://www.facebook.com/share/1Bj1roawFa/ <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.facebook.com/share/1Bj1roawFa/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1760473173000000&usg=AOvVaw39HIg7z8LN93VwCmZL0R-o> On Mon, Oct 6, 2025, 6:59 PM Susan Fertig via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: I can’t tell you how disappointed I am to read these words. ICE “invading”???? “Portecting” the Kemper Bldg if “it” happens??? “Warrant” to be shown??? Our “security profile”??? You folks have really gone off the deep edge. Susan Susan Fertig-Dykes And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought . Isaiah 58:11 From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> > On Behalf Of Terry Bergdall via OE Sent: Monday, October 06, 2025 6:42 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > Cc: Terry Bergdall <bergdall2@gmail.com <mailto:bergdall2@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] ICE/ICA ICA has posted this sign (see attached) on the front doors at GreenRise and I understand ICA staff, especially receptionists who are present 24 hours in the lobby, have been prepared to respond in an appropriate and legal manner if ICE should appear. I leave it for others with an official position at ICA to elaborate beyond this. Lesley Showers is the CEO of ICA-USA, <lshowers@ica-usa.org <mailto:lshowers@ica-usa.org> >, if anyone should wish to contact her directly. Terry Bergdall On Oct 5, 2025, at 15:40, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:

What can we do to protect the Kemper Building/Greenrise whenever ICE decides to invade us? Just wondering what our security profile is. Marshall

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On Monday, October 6, 2025 at 03:59:45 PM PDT, JAMES ADDINGTON via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: I'm pleased to see this sign; it's a very direct effort to be prepared. It's not clear, however, what effect it will have if ICE shows up. They don't have a very good record or reputation when it comes to the letter of the law. James 

On 10/06/2025 3:41 PM PDT Terry Bergdall via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

  ICA has posted this sign (see attached) on the front doors at GreenRise and I understand ICA staff, especially receptionists who are present 24 hours in the lobby, have been prepared to respond in an appropriate and legal manner if ICE should appear. I leave it for others with an official position at ICA to elaborate beyond this. Lesley Showers is the CEO of ICA-USA, <lshowers@ica-usa.org>, if anyone should wish to contact her directly.

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What can we do to protect the Kemper Building/Greenrise whenever ICE decides to invade us? Just wondering what our security profile is. Marshall

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OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net............................................................................................... Sorry, Susan Fertig, "invade" is my word, and I'm sticking with it.Perhaps you are living in a different ideological bubble that is oblivious to what is actually going on now in the Chicago Invasion by ICE/National Guard troops.I wondered about that when I read your comments on mourning the death of Charlie Kirk, like he is now some kind of heroic figure.While I am horrified and shocked by an assassination, I can't embrace anything the man said or attempted to put over on frightened people. I simply quoted his totally unfeeling, non-empathic words on the practical cost of "some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God given rights." Et cetera.Live by the gun, die by the gun. "The price of freedom..." “Yes, people die from gun violence. It’s tragic. But that's the price of freedom. Unfortunately, it's worth it to keep the Second Amendment intact. I think it’s worth it. It’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God given rights. That’s a prudent deal. It is rational." --Charlie Kirk Marshall

Great statement. Correct the spelling of the word “circumstances”. Marilyn

On Oct 6, 2025, at 6:41 PM, Terry Bergdall via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

ICA has posted this sign (see attached) on the front doors at GreenRise and I understand ICA staff, especially receptionists who are present 24 hours in the lobby, have been prepared to respond in an appropriate and legal manner if ICE should appear. I leave it for others with an official position at ICA to elaborate beyond this. Lesley Showers is the CEO of ICA-USA, <lshowers@ica-usa.org>, if anyone should wish to contact her directly.

Terry Bergdall

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What can we do to protect the Kemper Building/Greenrise whenever ICE decides to invade us? Just wondering what our security profile is. Marshall

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Salut mes colleagues, When Trump and his fascist friends took over in January, it was just a month later the he began uttering the rhetoric of Canada becoming the 51st State.  There are 54,000 US soldiers in Fort Bragg NC and 13,000 in Fort Drum NY. Currently, the Canadian Army is about 100,000 is deployed all over the world. The US Army could be in Canada in a heartbeat.  In the bowels of our government, we were shaken with the real possibility of INVASION. It was no accident that a French nuclear submarine docked in Halifax NS four days later. It is no accident that our Prime Minister, Mark Carney is visiting world capitals to drum up the trade we have lost through Trump's insane tariff war - America is losing big time - he is also solidifying woefully underarmed military supports. The US Army is now on standby to INVADE blue states and blue cities. Will the generals revolt? I wish this was science fiction. In the province of Alberta (Edmonton/Calgary) because of a century of ‘oil politics and oil culture), MAGA Albertan Canadians, a small minority, have met with representatives of the US Cabinet to plead for resources to launch a separatist movement to join the US. These folks are traitors. They exist, and are being seriously challenged. The US is on the verge of an open civil war. May it be avoided. Ken, in Canada.

On Oct 6, 2025, at 8:40 PM, carletonstock--- via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Great sign! Don't back down. We have an active immigration group in Oberlin, Ohio which we support and they give the same advice. It goes without saying that we are in a brand new situation in the U.S. and many other nations around the world. We are hoping and praying for no violence when the military invades Chicago! Carleton Stock Oberlin, Ohio

On Monday, October 6, 2025 at 05:42:38 PM CDT, Terry Bergdall via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

ICA has posted this sign (see attached) on the front doors at GreenRise and I understand ICA staff, especially receptionists who are present 24 hours in the lobby, have been prepared to respond in an appropriate and legal manner if ICE should appear. I leave it for others with an official position at ICA to elaborate beyond this. Lesley Showers is the CEO of ICA-USA, <lshowers@ica-usa.org <mailto:lshowers@ica-usa.org>>, if anyone should wish to contact her directly.

Terry Bergdall

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What can we do to protect the Kemper Building/Greenrise whenever ICE decides to invade us? Just wondering what our security profile is. Marshall

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