Hi Jan, Recently the Centering Prayer group I belong to has been delving into World Without End, (first published in 2017) the text of conversations between film maker and writer Lucette Verboten and Father Thomas Keating. In the course of their exchange, Keating reveals the profound influence the evolutionary theology of Jesuit paleontologist Pierre Teilhard de Chardin had upon his greatly expanded idea of God, the universe and humanity moving into higher stages of consciousness beyond the “rational level.” JWM spoke often about consciousness of consciousness of consciousness. I believe our work with the OW in the midst of TW had much to do with this, though truth be, I was too naive at that point to fully understand the relationship. Certainly this all applies to shifting consciousness to a planetary perspective —the union with everything, letting go of the particular controversies, “in order to be no thing.” \ Jon and Maureen Jenkins did the most depth work on the OW. You might find a chat with Maureen fruitful. Marilyn

On Sep 5, 2023, at 12:35 PM, Janet Sanders via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Hello! When Blase and I were recently in Litibu, I was asked by Josh Craver what I thought were some of the key legacies of the ICA/EI, One of my comments was the Other World Work we did. We dug out an early copy of the Courage to Lead and explored the various dynamics of the OW. It was an enlivening conversation! And yes, we saw some of the early papers in the archives. I am now back from travels and hope to check in with the material again. A key questions is how does this apply to shifting the consciousness to a planetary perspective. Jan

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On Aug 31, 2023, at 1:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist?

Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing??

Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . .

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James, Thank you as ever for this, (and many others) collegium.

A key questions is how does this apply to shifting the consciousness to a planetary perspective. Jan

Paraphrasing from Maria Popova’s Maginalian, https://www.themarginalian.org/, if an ant hill could be used as an analogy for all of humanity, where murder and music get equal billing, where there are differing roles but no hierarchy, the workers have encounters that spread through the hill and influence its behaviour. (I could say that each of us is the access to a hologram of the entire cosmos.) My partner, Mary Farrar (83) and I (81) have an at-wake-up, a joint solitary commencing with at least 20 minutes of silence. These days, we have done that on my front porch on the main street of a small village, when nothing is stirring except the call of loons and a rooster crowing. Next, we exchange our state of being and a gratitude. I got this process from Joyce Marshall many years ago. With the utterance of our our 'State of Being’ we then try to locate it in the Other World charts - the Jenkins edition that I got from David Dunn a year ago. This simple practice keeps our partnership in the lively present moment, honouring our 'two-ness’. We can safely be at ‘opposite ends’. This assertion of consciousness of consciousness, intentionally affects everything we are, together and with others. Ever grateful for the response of others. Ken

On Sep 5, 2023, at 4:40 PM, Mari Crocker via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Hi Jan,

Recently the Centering Prayer group I belong to has been delving into World Without End, (first published in 2017) the text of conversations between film maker and writer Lucette Verboten and Father Thomas Keating. In the course of their exchange, Keating reveals the profound influence the evolutionary theology of Jesuit paleontologist Pierre Teilhard de Chardin had upon his greatly expanded idea of God, the universe and humanity moving into higher stages of consciousness beyond the “rational level.” JWM spoke often about consciousness of consciousness of consciousness. I believe our work with the OW in the midst of TW had much to do with this, though truth be, I was too naive at that point to fully understand the relationship. Certainly this all applies to shifting consciousness to a planetary perspective —the union with everything, letting go of the particular controversies, “in order to be no thing.” \ Jon and Maureen Jenkins did the most depth work on the OW. You might find a chat with Maureen fruitful.

Marilyn

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On Sep 5, 2023, at 12:35 PM, Janet Sanders via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Hello! When Blase and I were recently in Litibu, I was asked by Josh Craver what I thought were some of the key legacies of the ICA/EI, One of my comments was the Other World Work we did. We dug out an early copy of the Courage to Lead and explored the various dynamics of the OW. It was an enlivening conversation! And yes, we saw some of the early papers in the archives. I am now back from travels and hope to check in with the material again. A key questions is how does this apply to shifting the consciousness to a planetary perspective. Jan

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On Aug 31, 2023, at 1:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist?

Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing??

Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . .

Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/>

The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon

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I think we live in the "Other World" like fish live in water ... and... nothing can separate us from the love of God. On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:16 PM Blase Sands via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Thank you, Jim!

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For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist?

Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing??

Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . .

Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/>

The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon

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Hi Bill, I don’t quite know what drove you to work in Greek, but this is a wonderful report out of your work. These particular words are ones that get thrown around a LOT! Thank you for sharing this. These are some words I’d be interested in hearing about in the Greek - if you are so inclined. forgiveness prayer grace Ruth

On Sep 22, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Bill Schlesinger via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

OK, so I’ve been playing with the Greek behind the translations in the English documents called the ‘New Testament.’

What gets translated ‘Kingdom of Heaven’ is baseliea Ouranos. The heavens – Ouranos – encompass all of the planet, etc. Baselieia has at its root word bas – which means footing or foundation (it’s where we get the English word ‘base.’) While it’s used for the Roman Empire as well, it has a different connotation. If one’s foundation is Rome, there are certain implications for context and behavior. But if one’s foundation is the heavens, then there are different implications as far as being inclusive, comprehensive – well, you get the picture. The word that is translated as ‘sin’ is hamartia – the negative of martia (which is where we get ‘martial’) but martia actually refers to ‘mark’ as in target. So the literal translation here is ‘missing the mark.’ Taking the hole instead of the doughnut. Living in illusion? Not getting it? Screwing up? Repentance translates the word ‘metanoia’ – literally ‘new’ – meta – mind – nous/noia. New mindedness. Or ‘Ah! Now I get it!’ Resurrection translates several words in Greek, one of which is ‘egeiro’ which literally translates as ‘awaken.’ Getting woke? Another is histemi – Stand up. Wake up, get up! Save and heal often translate the same Greek word – sozo – which is also literally to make whole. Heal also translates the word ‘therapeuo’ – where we get ‘therapy,’ but means to serve. Healing as serving – interesting.

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Bill, I agree with Ruth about the helpfulness of what you are doing. It is of course in the spirit of RS-1 of demythologizing and humanizing abstract theological concepts. God is a mysterious power. Christ is a word of possibility. Holy Spirit is responsibility in freedom and obedience. The Church is a group of social pioneers. Sin is separation from others. Grace is an experience of reunion. Gratitude. Robertson Work Books and bio<https://www.amazon.com/Robertson-Work/e/B075612GBF> Blogsite<https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> Substack<https://robertsonwork.substack.com/> Videos and articles<https://www.globalcompassioncoalition.org/author/robertson-work/> ________________________________ From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of Bill Schlesinger via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 3:19 PM To: 'Ruth Gilbert' <ruthhgilbert@gmail.com>; 'Order Ecumenical Community' <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: w.schlesinger@pvida.net <w.schlesinger@pvida.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Searching for a paper See below! BTW – a good resource (you have to get past some of the piety) for playing with Greek: www.blueletterbible.org<http://www.blueletterbible.org/> If you sort through the language options you’ll see some interesting ones. Bill From: Ruth Gilbert <ruthhgilbert@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 1:12 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: w.schlesinger@pvida.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Searching for a paper Hi Bill, I don’t quite know what drove you to work in Greek, but this is a wonderful report out of your work. These particular words are ones that get thrown around a LOT! Thank you for sharing this. These are some words I’d be interested in hearing about in the Greek - if you are so inclined. * Forgiveness: aphiemi. Let go/send away. Same word is used for divorce! Release. * Prayer- proseuchomai – to articulate a wish or hope. * grace – charis. Where we get ‘charisma.’ Related to the greeting ‘Chairo’ – ‘Be of good cheer, be happy.’ That which affords joy, pleasure, etc. Ruth On Sep 22, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Bill Schlesinger via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: OK, so I’ve been playing with the Greek behind the translations in the English documents called the ‘New Testament.’ 1. What gets translated ‘Kingdom of Heaven’ is baseliea Ouranos. The heavens – Ouranos – encompass all of the planet, etc. Baselieia has at its root word bas – which means footing or foundation (it’s where we get the English word ‘base.’) While it’s used for the Roman Empire as well, it has a different connotation. If one’s foundation is Rome, there are certain implications for context and behavior. But if one’s foundation is the heavens, then there are different implications as far as being inclusive, comprehensive – well, you get the picture. 2. The word that is translated as ‘sin’ is hamartia – the negative of martia (which is where we get ‘martial’) but martia actually refers to ‘mark’ as in target. So the literal translation here is ‘missing the mark.’ Taking the hole instead of the doughnut. Living in illusion? Not getting it? Screwing up? 3. Repentance translates the word ‘metanoia’ – literally ‘new’ – meta – mind – nous/noia. New mindedness. Or ‘Ah! Now I get it!’ 4. Resurrection translates several words in Greek, one of which is ‘egeiro’ which literally translates as ‘awaken.’ Getting woke? Another is histemi – Stand up. Wake up, get up! 5. Save and heal often translate the same Greek word – sozo – which is also literally to make whole. 6. Heal also translates the word ‘therapeuo’ – where we get ‘therapy,’ but means to serve. Healing as serving – interesting. FWIW - Bill Schlesinger (He/Him) Project Vida 3607 Rivera Avenue El Paso, TX 79905 www.pvida.net<https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.pvida.net/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1696273898000000&usg=AOvVaw3H0eK8p5hfhMytTf8T7VWW> Office: (915) 465-1191 x 207 Cell: (915) 490-6148 FAX: (915) 503-1014 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This transmission may contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally privileged and proprietary and may be subject to protection under the law, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you

I’d say ‘both/and.’ A phenomenological understanding of life (it isn’t what it is, it’s what we experience it to be) ‘recovery’ dates recently to Schleiermacher and Otto. At the same time, Niebuhr’s sense of the archaic language of ‘justice,’ and the projections onto a Roman ‘kosmos’ – order of things – led to an objectification in and of the Christian tradition, while universally the experience of ‘us vs. them’ led to the use of most historic religions as barrier defining limitations of identity. Most of the systems of ‘theology’ (probably not a good word when considering the widest sense of ‘religion’) were initiated and grounded in the experience of what we are calling the ‘Other World.’ Experience became embedded in language and language then became an issue of identity and group symbolism – which then became the source of both rejection and violence towards ‘others.’ So awakening is both reconnecting to fundamental experience and asserting our own group identity. Polar opposites but consistently present in most human experience. FWIW Bill Schlesinger From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of James Wiegel via OE Sent: Friday, September 22, 2023 6:50 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Searching for a paper The bit that I am reflecting on has to do with the RECOVERY of the Other World . . . We claimed that 'THE OTHER WORLD (in the midst of This World) had been rediscovered in the 20th Century, that is, the reality that was talked about of old and witnessed to had reappeared to us. I don't see much recognition of this discovery -- in the world around me, and in our reflections we seem to treat this as a bunch of nifty charts to use to reflect . . . are we in the midst of a powerful and deep awakening or . . .?? Jim Wiegel <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1696035051000000&usg=AOvVaw3EI8sMvO48CSel2HTUiAoV> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1696035051000000&usg=AOvVaw14q7Wyb1DijWSzerOFUVkd> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:31:05 AM MST, Colleen Haithcock via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: I think we live in the "Other World" like fish live in water ... and... nothing can separate us from the love of God. On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:16 PM Blase Sands via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: Thank you, Jim! Blase Sands 7575 Sarah Drive Denver, NC 28037 blase_sands@hotmail.com <mailto:blase_sands@hotmail.com> Cell: 505-660-0056 _____ From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> > on behalf of James Wiegel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 1:10 PM To: Colleague Dialogue Listserve <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> >; OE Listserve <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com <mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com> > Subject: [Oe List ...] Searching for a paper For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist? Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing?? Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . . Jim Wiegel <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1696035051000000&usg=AOvVaw3EI8sMvO48CSel2HTUiAoV> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. 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