Colleagues: This is another "catch up" paper. This material got lost in the OE scuffle and Tim Wegner is helping to get things straightened out. However, this is something I wanted to share regarding gun control. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: William Salmon To: Order Ecumenical Community Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 7:15 PM Subject: Salmon: MORE ON THE Start the conversation Randy, you're a dandy. How do we satiate the Baals? Domestic Tranquility could well be the answer. There is no appropriate response such as gun control. My friend, a gun freak, would say the response to Sandy Hook would be for someone who had a licensed gun to defend the children and kill the gunboy; thus, the more guns the better. The answer is changing our gun culture. Doesn't Great Britain still make it illegal to possess guns. Are the London "Bobbies" still unarmed? If so, this is the direction that is necessary to take. Perhaps, the Supreme Court will take up the definition of the "Right to Bear Arms." Is this a right reserved for those trained in a "citizen's army," or is it the right of every homeowner to bear arms in its own defense. Recently, in Wichita, KS, an intruder was shot while invading a home. Is the purpose for gun ownership? As for me and my house, I do not keep guns, although, I am not opposed to the use of guns for hunting or recreation. The ultimate question to be answered is, how to we change a nation's attitude about guns when we punish prisoners with the death penalty, and support a military presence around the world? The god Moloch (one of the Baals) gets fed regularly with the young fruit of our loins. During this event in Connecticut, old Molly must be vomiting from the kill. Inner Peace, says it more than ever! Bill Salmon ----- Original Message ----- From: R Williams To: Order Ecumenical Community Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Start the conversation Probably when the second amendment was passed on December 15, 1791, 221 years ago tomorrow, it would have been under domestic tranquility. That suggests to me that the story about guns and the role they play in terms of their ability to provide security and tranquility is really out of date. Maybe the place to start, as Jack suggested, is with a new story regarding the place of guns that starts with responsibility rather than rights. Randy "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley From: William Salmon <wsalmon@cox.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:53 PM Subject: [Oe List ...] Salmon: Start the conversation JUST A PASSING THOUGHT:RE: Gun culture-- Where does it--or its antithesis--show up on the Social Process triangles? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Early" <lees.mail@comcast.net> To: "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; "OE: Dialogue Dialogue" <OE@topica.com> Cc: "ICA Dialogue Dialogue" <ica-dialogue@igc.topica.com> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: [Oe List ...] Start the conversation

It is brainstorm time. What can we do to change the "gun culture" of our nation?

Nationally, state wide, locally and personally.

The social act of repentance might be a good place to start:

1. Become aware of injustice 2. Turn your back on it 3. Abolish within yourself 4. Lead society

BUT, this is a brainstorm. If the above is a helpful start, great. If not, feel free to come up with a different framework or, just share some ideas.

The conversation needs to happen now.

Lee

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