Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 23
As a child who grew up with the religious Order, and who has been on the journey away from any religion and toward my own spirituality (which I learned about because of my parents AND my experience in the Order, what I see and feel and live is the conscious paradigm shift.
From Original Sin to Original Blessing. As far as I can see, original sin and "unworthiness" are not useful or instructive anymore. We are all worthy of that which the universe provides and gives. And I find deep, profound teaching in humbleness, humility, the practice of nothingness. I am human. And we are are the creation/children of this Luminous Universe. Jon Mark Elizondo
---------- Original Message ---------- From: Richard and Maria <richardandmaria@unfoldingfutures.net> To: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 23 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:21:52 +1000 Hi Could someone put Common Worship in the Life of the Church on the Wedgeblade website? It's a great document. As I have gone on through the years, I have reflected more on the confession aspect. In the light of the way the Gospel and letters of Paul describe the people of faith, our present "unworthiness" is not emphasised, but the greatness of what we have received, which was not earned. We are a "new Creation", made "friends with God" (See 2 Corinthians 5:16ff for example). To me the confession is more about the shock of discovering my/our having forgotten this wonderful gift over and over. The thanksgiving is in rediscovering it, having it reaffirmed and sensing the power within and among us to live it out. I recognise that for some in our community what I have just written might be controversial, and for others illuminating, and I welcome all responses. Best wishes Richard You are right: there are four parts of worship: Thanksgiving, Confession,Praise and Dedication or commitment. We never began worship without direct acknowledgement of who we pray, then confession of our unworthiness for all we have received, which leads us to remember not only the goodness of our own lives but the amazing creative love of God, which in turn calls for our dedication or commitment. -- Transforming organisations and individuals towards a future worth living now Tel: 02 9896 3839, Fax: 02 9896 3904 Mail: 18 Sturdee St, Wentworthville NSW 2145, Australia _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/500f1583c4b971583369cst53vuc
Very wonderful insight, Jon. The EI, and it's curriculum sort of summarized it's time, and the daily office, as well, sort of condensed the self understanding, "then" but this is now. Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com “One cannot live in the afternoon of life according to the program of life’s morning; for what was great in the morning will be of little importance in the evening, and what in the morning was true will at evening have become a lie.” – Carl Jung Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7, 2012 Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. On Jul 24, 2012, at 21:35, "jonzondo@juno.com" <jonzondo@juno.com> wrote:
As a child who grew up with the religious Order, and who has been on the journey away from any religion and toward my own spirituality (which I learned about because of my parents AND my experience in the Order, what I see and feel and live is the conscious paradigm shift.
From Original Sin to Original Blessing.
As far as I can see, original sin and "unworthiness" are not useful or instructive anymore. We are all worthy of that which the universe provides and gives. And I find deep, profound teaching in humbleness, humility, the practice of nothingness. I am human. And we are are the creation/children of this Luminous Universe.
Jon Mark Elizondo
---------- Original Message ---------- From: Richard and Maria <richardandmaria@unfoldingfutures.net> To: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 23 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:21:52 +1000
Hi
Could someone put Common Worship in the Life of the Church on the Wedgeblade website? It's a great document.
As I have gone on through the years, I have reflected more on the confession aspect.
In the light of the way the Gospel and letters of Paul describe the people of faith, our present "unworthiness" is not emphasised, but the greatness of what we have received, which was not earned. We are a "new Creation", made "friends with God" (See 2 Corinthians 5:16ff for example). To me the confession is more about the shock of discovering my/our having forgotten this wonderful gift over and over. The thanksgiving is in rediscovering it, having it reaffirmed and sensing the power within and among us to live it out.
I recognise that for some in our community what I have just written might be controversial, and for others illuminating, and I welcome all responses.
Best wishes
Richard
You are right: there are four parts of worship: Thanksgiving, Confession,Praise and Dedication or commitment. We never began worship without direct acknowledgement of who we pray, then confession of our unworthiness for all we have received, which leads us to remember not only the goodness of our own lives but the amazing creative love of God, which in turn calls for our dedication or commitment.
-- Transforming organisations and individuals towards a future worth living now Tel: 02 9896 3839, Fax: 02 9896 3904 Mail: 18 Sturdee St, Wentworthville NSW 2145, Australia
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Well said Jon and Jim. Marianna On Jul 24, 2012, at 7:42 PM, James Wiegel wrote:
Very wonderful insight, Jon. The EI, and it's curriculum sort of summarized it's time, and the daily office, as well, sort of condensed the self understanding, "then" but this is now.
Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com
“One cannot live in the afternoon of life according to the program of life’s morning; for what was great in the morning will be of little importance in the evening, and what in the morning was true will at evening have become a lie.” – Carl Jung
Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7, 2012 Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details.
On Jul 24, 2012, at 21:35, "jonzondo@juno.com" <jonzondo@juno.com> wrote:
As a child who grew up with the religious Order, and who has been on the journey away from any religion and toward my own spirituality (which I learned about because of my parents AND my experience in the Order, what I see and feel and live is the conscious paradigm shift.
From Original Sin to Original Blessing.
As far as I can see, original sin and "unworthiness" are not useful or instructive anymore. We are all worthy of that which the universe provides and gives. And I find deep, profound teaching in humbleness, humility, the practice of nothingness. I am human. And we are are the creation/children of this Luminous Universe.
Jon Mark Elizondo
---------- Original Message ---------- From: Richard and Maria <richardandmaria@unfoldingfutures.net> To: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] OE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 23 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:21:52 +1000
Hi
Could someone put Common Worship in the Life of the Church on the Wedgeblade website? It's a great document.
As I have gone on through the years, I have reflected more on the confession aspect.
In the light of the way the Gospel and letters of Paul describe the people of faith, our present "unworthiness" is not emphasised, but the greatness of what we have received, which was not earned. We are a "new Creation", made "friends with God" (See 2 Corinthians 5:16ff for example). To me the confession is more about the shock of discovering my/our having forgotten this wonderful gift over and over. The thanksgiving is in rediscovering it, having it reaffirmed and sensing the power within and among us to live it out.
I recognise that for some in our community what I have just written might be controversial, and for others illuminating, and I welcome all responses.
Best wishes
Richard
You are right: there are four parts of worship: Thanksgiving, Confession,Praise and Dedication or commitment. We never began worship without direct acknowledgement of who we pray, then confession of our unworthiness for all we have received, which leads us to remember not only the goodness of our own lives but the amazing creative love of God, which in turn calls for our dedication or commitment.
-- Transforming organisations and individuals towards a future worth living now Tel: 02 9896 3839, Fax: 02 9896 3904 Mail: 18 Sturdee St, Wentworthville NSW 2145, Australia
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Marianna Bailey