A Happy 80th Birthday to Bob Fishel today + followup on African bishops, etc.
Bob and Judy, here are my Sunday morning thoughts after our conversation yesterday. And a Happy 80th Birthday to Bob today! I really enjoyed celebrating at lunch with bites of birthday cake! I forgot to mention that one of the highlights of the CoB meeting at Lake Junaluska last fall was Bishop Karen Oliveto's sermon at their public worship service on Tuesday in the Harrell Center auditorium. I would have been there had I been tuned into the grapevine. The report from those who were there was that she had the African bishops applauding and shouting their Amens with great enthusiasm. What amazed me was that choosing Karen to preach from among 100+ bishops could not have been by chance. The powers that be in the council leadership must have been very intentional, though they claimed that all the bishops got their shot at the sermon slot in rotation. Yeah, fat chance! My other point is that the best argument against the One Church Plan is Bishop Karen. By removing the prohibition, there WILL be more like her! (Lesbian bishops! Gasp! BTW, she is the first 'out' lesbian bishop, but definitely NOT the first. I can name several who are/were closeted, including Bishop Susan Morrison, whose cabinet included Art Brandenburg and who spoke at the symposium honoring Bishop Mathews and his brother Joe at Wesley Theological Seminary. She retired to Rehobeth Beach, MD--big clue!). Remember that "episcopalizing" Bishop Gene Robinson was a huge affront for the Anglican communion around the world. Especially in Africa, I would surmise. Conservative Riley Case, whom I don't agree with, made the point in 2011: "If changing our stance on sexual morality would wreck havoc in American churches, the effect in the African churches would be many times greater. And, the effect in lands where Muslim presence is strong would be devastating." Read the whole article about the 36 retired bishops who 'came out' @https://methodistthinker.com/2011/02/21/riley-case-retired-bishops-statement... BTW, I DID attend the opening Memorial Service for the CoB (and their spouses) @ FUMC Waynesville. Beautiful and elaborate with the full pipe organ and their church choir and the bishops' colorful robes in procession down the aisles. I sat on the back row directly behind a long pew full of African bishops and showered them with my silent prayers of blessing and profound gratitude. That's the closest I ever got to them. Afterwards I made eye contact and nodded a greeting to a few bishops without saying a word. Including Bishop Talbert. Finally, here's a BIG CLUE as to why the Connectional Conference Plan can NEVER pass muster with a 2/3 vote of annual conferences:Bishops dismayed at United Methodist Church's failure to affirm gender equality | | | Bishops dismayed at United Methodist Ch... | Grace and Peace, Marshall And here's an article on the (former) ministry of Rev. Bryne Comrade, who was smuggled out of Uganda and whom I met recently in SF as he awaits his asylum decision by USCIS:Providing HIV Services To A Hidden LGBT Network in Uganda – This Is Brian’s Story | | | Providing HIV Services To A Hidden LGBT... |
Happy Birthday Bob! And hello Judy! I just realized I have seen or spoken with either of you in 45 years!!! OMG! Would love to do that…. where are you and do you ever get to northern California?
On Jul 29, 2018, at 7:56 AM, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Bob and Judy, here are my Sunday morning thoughts after our conversation yesterday.
And a Happy 80th Birthday to Bob today! I really enjoyed celebrating at lunch with bites of birthday cake!
I forgot to mention that one of the highlights of the CoB meeting at Lake Junaluska last fall was Bishop Karen Oliveto's sermon at their public worship service on Tuesday in the Harrell Center auditorium. I would have been there had I been tuned into the grapevine. The report from those who were there was that she had the African bishops applauding and shouting their Amens with great enthusiasm.
What amazed me was that choosing Karen to preach from among 100+ bishops could not have been by chance. The powers that be in the council leadership must have been very intentional, though they claimed that all the bishops got their shot at the sermon slot in rotation. Yeah, fat chance!
My other point is that the best argument against the One Church Plan is Bishop Karen. By removing the prohibition, there WILL be more like her! (Lesbian bishops! Gasp! BTW, she is the first 'out' lesbian bishop, but definitely NOT the first. I can name several who are/were closeted, including Bishop Susan Morrison, whose cabinet included Art Brandenburg and who spoke at the symposium honoring Bishop Mathews and his brother Joe at Wesley Theological Seminary. She retired to Rehobeth Beach, MD--big clue!).
Remember that "episcopalizing" Bishop Gene Robinson was a huge affront for the Anglican communion around the world. Especially in Africa, I would surmise.
Conservative Riley Case, whom I don't agree with, made the point in 2011: "If changing our stance on sexual morality <http://www.umc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content.aspx?c=lwL4KnN1LtH&b=5066287&ct=6467529¬oc=1> would wreck havoc in American churches, the effect in the African churches would be many times greater. And, the effect in lands where Muslim presence is strong would be devastating."
Read the whole article about the 36 retired bishops who 'came out' @ https://methodistthinker.com/2011/02/21/riley-case-retired-bishops-statement... <https://methodistthinker.com/2011/02/21/riley-case-retired-bishops-statement/>
BTW, I DID attend the opening Memorial Service for the CoB (and their spouses) @ FUMC Waynesville. Beautiful and elaborate with the full pipe organ and their church choir and the bishops' colorful robes in procession down the aisles.
I sat on the back row directly behind a long pew full of African bishops and showered them with my silent prayers of blessing and profound gratitude. That's the closest I ever got to them. Afterwards I made eye contact and nodded a greeting to a few bishops without saying a word. Including Bishop Talbert.
Finally, here's a BIG CLUE as to why the Connectional Conference Plan can NEVER pass muster with a 2/3 vote of annual conferences: Bishops dismayed at United Methodist Church's failure to affirm gender equality <https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/religion/2018/05/10/why-these-bishops-dismayed-united-methodist-churchs-recent-efforts-affirm-gender-equality/596793002/>
Bishops dismayed at United Methodist Ch... <https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/religion/2018/05/10/why-these-bishops-dismayed-united-methodist-churchs-recent-efforts-affirm-gender-equality/596793002/>
Grace and Peace,
Marshall
And here's an article on the (former) ministry of Rev. Bryne Comrade, who was smuggled out of Uganda and whom I met recently in SF as he awaits his asylum decision by USCIS: Providing HIV Services To A Hidden LGBT Network in Uganda – This Is Brian’s Story <http://oneloveallequal.org/2016/12/01/providing-hiv-services-to-a-hidden-lgbt-network-in-uganda-this-is-brians-story/>
Providing HIV Services To A Hidden LGBT... <http://oneloveallequal.org/2016/12/01/providing-hiv-services-to-a-hidden-lgbt-network-in-uganda-this-is-brians-story/>
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Ellie and I had the good fortune to work with Bob and Judy in the Boston Region back in the Seventies. A big hello to you Bob and Judy too! And a Happy Birthday. We celebrate who you are and who you yet can be this day! (I didn't know you were that old!) Grace and peace, Carleton Stock St. Louis, MO -----Original Message----- From: Jan Allen via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Jan Allen <janallen5@gmail.com>; Bob and Judy Fishel <thefishels@earthlink.net>; Jr. Charles Allen Lingo <clingojr@aol.com> Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2018 1:25 pm Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A Happy 80th Birthday to Bob Fishel today + followup on African bishops, etc. Happy Birthday Bob! And hello Judy! I just realized I have seen or spoken with either of you in 45 years!!! OMG! Would love to do that…. where are you and do you ever get to northern California? On Jul 29, 2018, at 7:56 AM, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Bob and Judy, here are my Sunday morning thoughts after our conversation yesterday. And a Happy 80th Birthday to Bob today! I really enjoyed celebrating at lunch with bites of birthday cake! I forgot to mention that one of the highlights of the CoB meeting at Lake Junaluska last fall was Bishop Karen Oliveto's sermon at their public worship service on Tuesday in the Harrell Center auditorium. I would have been there had I been tuned into the grapevine. The report from those who were there was that she had the African bishops applauding and shouting their Amens with great enthusiasm. What amazed me was that choosing Karen to preach from among 100+ bishops could not have been by chance. The powers that be in the council leadership must have been very intentional, though they claimed that all the bishops got their shot at the sermon slot in rotation. Yeah, fat chance! My other point is that the best argument against the One Church Plan is Bishop Karen. By removing the prohibition, there WILL be more like her! (Lesbian bishops! Gasp! BTW, she is the first 'out' lesbian bishop, but definitely NOT the first. I can name several who are/were closeted, including Bishop Susan Morrison, whose cabinet included Art Brandenburg and who spoke at the symposium honoring Bishop Mathews and his brother Joe at Wesley Theological Seminary. She retired to Rehobeth Beach, MD--big clue!). Remember that "episcopalizing" Bishop Gene Robinson was a huge affront for the Anglican communion around the world. Especially in Africa, I would surmise. Conservative Riley Case, whom I don't agree with, made the point in 2011: "If changing our stance on sexual morality would wreck havoc in American churches, the effect in the African churches would be many times greater. And, the effect in lands where Muslim presence is strong would be devastating." Read the whole article about the 36 retired bishops who 'came out' @ https://methodistthinker.com/2011/02/21/riley-case-retired-bishops-statement... BTW, I DID attend the opening Memorial Service for the CoB (and their spouses) @ FUMC Waynesville. Beautiful and elaborate with the full pipe organ and their church choir and the bishops' colorful robes in procession down the aisles. I sat on the back row directly behind a long pew full of African bishops and showered them with my silent prayers of blessing and profound gratitude. That's the closest I ever got to them. Afterwards I made eye contact and nodded a greeting to a few bishops without saying a word. Including Bishop Talbert. Finally, here's a BIG CLUE as to why the Connectional Conference Plan can NEVER pass muster with a 2/3 vote of annual conferences: Bishops dismayed at United Methodist Church's failure to affirm gender equality Bishops dismayed at United Methodist Ch... Grace and Peace, Marshall And here's an article on the (former) ministry of Rev. Bryne Comrade, who was smuggled out of Uganda and whom I met recently in SF as he awaits his asylum decision by USCIS: Providing HIV Services To A Hidden LGBT Network in Uganda – This Is Brian’s Story Providing HIV Services To A Hidden LGBT... _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
A very Happy Birthday to Bob from the Bishop family and Jeju- do days xo We celebrate your being. Sent from my iPhone
On 30 Jul 2018, at 10:32 am, Carleton Stock via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Ellie and I had the good fortune to work with Bob and Judy in the Boston Region back in the Seventies. A big hello to you Bob and Judy too! And a Happy Birthday. We celebrate who you are and who you yet can be this day! (I didn't know you were that old!) Grace and peace, Carleton Stock St. Louis, MO
-----Original Message----- From: Jan Allen via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Jan Allen <janallen5@gmail.com>; Bob and Judy Fishel <thefishels@earthlink.net>; Jr. Charles Allen Lingo <clingojr@aol.com> Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2018 1:25 pm Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] A Happy 80th Birthday to Bob Fishel today + followup on African bishops, etc.
Happy Birthday Bob! And hello Judy! I just realized I have seen or spoken with either of you in 45 years!!! OMG! Would love to do that…. where are you and do you ever get to northern California?
On Jul 29, 2018, at 7:56 AM, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Bob and Judy, here are my Sunday morning thoughts after our conversation yesterday.
And a Happy 80th Birthday to Bob today! I really enjoyed celebrating at lunch with bites of birthday cake!
I forgot to mention that one of the highlights of the CoB meeting at Lake Junaluska last fall was Bishop Karen Oliveto's sermon at their public worship service on Tuesday in the Harrell Center auditorium. I would have been there had I been tuned into the grapevine. The report from those who were there was that she had the African bishops applauding and shouting their Amens with great enthusiasm.
What amazed me was that choosing Karen to preach from among 100+ bishops could not have been by chance. The powers that be in the council leadership must have been very intentional, though they claimed that all the bishops got their shot at the sermon slot in rotation. Yeah, fat chance!
My other point is that the best argument against the One Church Plan is Bishop Karen. By removing the prohibition, there WILL be more like her! (Lesbian bishops! Gasp! BTW, she is the first 'out' lesbian bishop, but definitely NOT the first. I can name several who are/were closeted, including Bishop Susan Morrison, whose cabinet included Art Brandenburg and who spoke at the symposium honoring Bishop Mathews and his brother Joe at Wesley Theological Seminary. She retired to Rehobeth Beach, MD--big clue!).
Remember that "episcopalizing" Bishop Gene Robinson was a huge affront for the Anglican communion around the world. Especially in Africa, I would surmise.
Conservative Riley Case, whom I don't agree with, made the point in 2011: "If changing our stance on sexual morality would wreck havoc in American churches, the effect in the African churches would be many times greater. And, the effect in lands where Muslim presence is strong would be devastating."
Read the whole article about the 36 retired bishops who 'came out' @ https://methodistthinker.com/2011/02/21/riley-case-retired-bishops-statement...
BTW, I DID attend the opening Memorial Service for the CoB (and their spouses) @ FUMC Waynesville. Beautiful and elaborate with the full pipe organ and their church choir and the bishops' colorful robes in procession down the aisles.
I sat on the back row directly behind a long pew full of African bishops and showered them with my silent prayers of blessing and profound gratitude. That's the closest I ever got to them. Afterwards I made eye contact and nodded a greeting to a few bishops without saying a word. Including Bishop Talbert.
Finally, here's a BIG CLUE as to why the Connectional Conference Plan can NEVER pass muster with a 2/3 vote of annual conferences: Bishops dismayed at United Methodist Church's failure to affirm gender equality
Bishops dismayed at United Methodist Ch...
Grace and Peace,
Marshall
And here's an article on the (former) ministry of Rev. Bryne Comrade, who was smuggled out of Uganda and whom I met recently in SF as he awaits his asylum decision by USCIS: Providing HIV Services To A Hidden LGBT Network in Uganda – This Is Brian’s Story
Providing HIV Services To A Hidden LGBT...
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