Nancy, Sorry for the delay. I just now saw your request for a "little more" on the fallacy of the liberal form of doing. Years ago John Epps presented a paper on the "liberal heresy". It is archived so you can get access to it. He described the dynamic very well. Today I see and experience a type of this "heresy" broadly among some liberal and progressive people. They see the problem, understand what causes it, grasp that it is systemic in nature, find who to blame for it, then resort to symbolic gestures of outrage, to themselves and sometimes to whomever is to be blamed. They then go on with their lives as normal because of the symbolic gesture they feel like they have addressed the issue. They do this without any effort, or even commitment, to dealing with the systemic situation underlying the problem, building transitional models, or acknowledging a movement is essential before anything can happen to alter and sustain the situation. Hope this adds a little to the phrase. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Trask" <nancytrask@rocketmail.com> To: "James Wiegel" <jfwiegel@yahoo.com>; "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; "Bill Parker" <bparker175@cox.net> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Wrong about social change?? Hey Bill - Say a little more about "This is the fallacy of the "liberal" form of doing." Nancy Trask -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 9/29/14, Bill Parker via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Wrong about social change?? To: "James Wiegel" <jfwiegel@yahoo.com>, "Colleague Dialogue" <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>, "Order Ecumenical Community" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: Monday, September 29, 2014, 11:10 AM If only it were that simple. Doing social change work and getting social change done are two very different realities. Social change comes out of a movement toward a different future which shows up from a multitude of independent faces from the human community. Holding elected representives accountable is certainly one aspect of that but its "tail is not large enough to wag the dog." Also, social change is more than just change but it is change that cannot be reversed as soon as people's interest moves on to something else. This is the fallacy of the "liberal" form of doing. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Wiegel via OE To: Colleague Dialogue ; Order Ecumenical Community Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: [Oe List ...] Wrong about social change?? "I've been doing social change work for more than 40 years, and I know that organizing people to hold our elected officials accountable is the only thing that actually makes change." Wenonah Hauter. True or false. Please comment Jim Wiegel Those who have the most rigorously tested answers will not drive the future of learning; those who pursue the most meaningful questions will. Mathew Abrams 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP® Facilitation Methods: Sep 9-10, Nov 18-19, 2014 Click to watch video. ToP® Strategic Planning: Oct 7-8, 2014 Click to learn more. Facilitation Mastery: The Mastering the Technology of Participation program begins in Oakland on Nov 12-14, 2014 Click to watch video. For online registration go to http://www.top-training.net The AZ ToP® Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday, 1-4 pm, starting again on Sept 5th at ACYR, 648 N. 5th Avenue, Phoenix, AZ 85003 AICP Planners: 14.5 CM for all ToP® courses _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net