Re: [Oe List ...] Article on Classes from ICA supper meeting
Studied this paper introduced by Stuart Hampton in a meeting the other night at our ICA colleagues. Really insightful about the structure of society these days, especially in reference to opportunities and limitations. Used to be, I thought of the upper, middle and poor classes, but this casts a new light on it. And provides some helpful categories and framework for grasping what’s going on these days. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/precariat-global-class-rise-of-populi... <https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/precariat-global-class-rise-of-populism/> George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley
Thank you George and Stuart for sharing this with us. Jeanette On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:14 PM, George Holcombe via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Studied this paper introduced by Stuart Hampton in a meeting the other night at our ICA colleagues. Really insightful about the structure of society these days, especially in reference to opportunities and limitations. Used to be, I thought of the upper, middle and poor classes, but this casts a new light on it. And provides some helpful categories and framework for grasping what’s going on these days.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/precariat- global-class-rise-of-populism/
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I rarely comment here. BUT I've frankly been devastated by the outcome of the election.I really need to participate in a corporate process of getting to discern and name the deep, underlying global contradiction in the social process dynamic leading up to, and focused by the result of the election.Any takers?I am sure that we have the methodological tools to get there, but where's the corporate will and 'wired-together' corporate structure? Or have we all effectively 'retired' from the revolution and are now sitting on the sidelines (and hopefully not nodding off)?Nodding off on occasion is easy to do as long as we're all just sitting around watching the so-called 'news' in our "little boxes made of ticky-tacky".I was frankly OK with that as long as Hillary was gonna be in the White House.After the 1968 assassinations I knew what to do. Got up off my butt and got myself to 3444 Congress Parkway (which turned out to be a street address without a physical entrance!). But now? I'm all fired up with nowhere to go (at my advanced age)!Surely I'm not the only one who's fully awake and deeply challenged by recent developments. And waiting for WAY worse news to come.Let me hear from you. Marshall On Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:48 AM, Jeanette Stanfield via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Thank you George and Stuart for sharing this with us. Jeanette On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:14 PM, George Holcombe via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Studied this paper introduced by Stuart Hampton in a meeting the other night at our ICA colleagues. Really insightful about the structure of society these days, especially in reference to opportunities and limitations. Used to be, I thought of the upper, middle and poor classes, but this casts a new light on it. And provides some helpful categories and framework for grasping what’s going on these days. https://www.weforum.org/ agenda/2016/11/precariat- global-class-rise-of-populism/ George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley ______________________________ _________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/ listinfo.cgi/dialogue- wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
Marshall, One of the many things I like about you is your willingness to challenge us all to respond, but to do it with an eye to our wisdom (and our failings). We spent so many years together, locked in an embrace of servanthood for the emergence of a world that was unknown to most, but seen as the call to give our lives to that which would enable a new humanness to take form. Now we are scattered, a lot older and less mobile. Like Don Quixote you call for us to rise again and take up the challenge. The fire is not banked, but the role we need to play with our last years is not so clear. We need to hear that and respond from where we are. We need to start from a Faith stance. Do not despair. It is dark and there is a hell of a storm coming. No illusions, no asking for a miracle on the election of Trump, no placing of hope in technological solutions and no regrets for the passing of that which can no longer sustain the social process. I like the way Larry Ward expressed it to us at a Retreat he led here in Mexico almost a year ago. "The forces of the new have already won." We will not live long enough to see it, but the world is embracing change that is ripping through the status quo and those who defend it are fighting to hold on to that which is already dead. That said, we owe it to think clearly and creatively about how to enable a new humanness to take form and be empowered. There will be intense damage and suffering in this struggle. Whatever happens, our eyes must see a thousand years. Now here is my analysis. The Social Process has shifted. The once collapsed Cultural pole is actually on the move. It certainly isn’t coherent nor in charge, but filled with a vitality that is feeding an amazing creativity. The Political process is where the pain lies, for me, these days. Order rules (defensively), Justice and Welfare are anemic. The Nation State is dying and the new form of collective responsibility hasn’t taken root. Because we are now, and forever more, Global, our SP must be as well. The Economic process is whistling in the dark. They know that what is happening regarding the dependance on a healthy biosphere is real and is now, and soon will be, dominating all decisions. They aren’t stupid, just greedy. The world is demanding a new Distribution, and response. I take great hope in the sign that Standing Rock is regarding indigenous wisdom. I know there doesn’t seem to be anything concrete to point to in our HDP work there, but damn, it sure is interesting that it has become a place of Hope! In terms of the New Human Consciousness (what we called the NRM), there is some very exciting work being done to which we can add our wisdom. Speaking personally, the contradiction is the refusal of the scientific community to grasp the meaning of the Other World. They are scared to death of anti-science and fundamentalism as the only option they have encountered. There is deep work to be done here, and we have a lot of wisdom to share. Finally there is that body of people (we called the P.O.G) who enable, with their lives, to bring forth the new. That is where I am looking. Who are these people today, where do you look and finally, how might we serve them and help sustain them? Surely they will burn out or be killed if they attempt to attack the dark forces directly. We have much to share with them. Besides the definitives of our NRM work, they need to grasp Imaginal Ed, Methods (all kinds, but especially social analysis, model building, indirection, symbol, and motivity) and the depths of corporateness. Now for any of you who agree with this empowerment of the POGs, we welcome you to help the Archive Team; making it available, understandable and attractive (findable). It is a small team of old farts who think it is worth the effort! Thanks Marshall. Grace and Peace, Jack
On Dec 18, 2016, at 16:07, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I rarely comment here. BUT I've frankly been devastated by the outcome of the election. I really need to participate in a corporate process of getting to discern and name the deep, underlying global contradiction in the social process dynamic leading up to, and focused by the result of the election. Any takers? I am sure that we have the methodological tools to get there, but where's the corporate will and 'wired-together' corporate structure? Or have we all effectively 'retired' from the revolution and are now sitting on the sidelines (and hopefully not nodding off)? Nodding off on occasion is easy to do as long as we're all just sitting around watching the so-called 'news' in our "little boxes made of ticky-tacky". I was frankly OK with that as long as Hillary was gonna be in the White House. After the 1968 assassinations I knew what to do. Got up off my butt and got myself to 3444 Congress Parkway (which turned out to be a street address without a physical entrance!). But now? I'm all fired up with nowhere to go (at my advanced age)! Surely I'm not the only one who's fully awake and deeply challenged by recent developments. And waiting for WAY worse news to come. Let me hear from you. Marshall
On Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:48 AM, Jeanette Stanfield via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Thank you George and Stuart for sharing this with us.
Jeanette
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:14 PM, George Holcombe via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Studied this paper introduced by Stuart Hampton in a meeting the other night at our ICA colleagues. Really insightful about the structure of society these days, especially in reference to opportunities and limitations. Used to be, I thought of the upper, middle and poor classes, but this casts a new light on it. And provides some helpful categories and framework for grasping what’s going on these days.
https://www.weforum.org/ agenda/2016/11/precariat- global-class-rise-of-populism/ <https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/precariat-global-class-rise-of-populism/>
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BTW, for what it's worth, I checked Google tonight and, last time the Google car drove by, the Iron Man was still standing in 5th City.The Fifth City Preschool is still up and running in the same building.The community center is now listed as 'Mt. Zion Missionary Baptist Church.' Maybe they're renting part of the building.The former shopping center building still stands, but has been boarded up for many years.The auto service center had been torn down when last I walked by many years ago.The entire block east of the community center on Homan is now fenced in grass.Lela, Ruth, Verdell, and so many others are now gone. But what's important to me is that--surrounded by a great many cleared, empty lots in every direction, poised for redevelopment at some point--the Iron Man is still standing in Fifth City.Let's keep him there.Marshall On Sunday, December 18, 2016 3:34 PM, Jack Gilles <jackcgilles@gmail.com> wrote: Marshall, One of the many things I like about you is your willingness to challenge us all to respond, but to do it with an eye to our wisdom (and our failings). We spent so many years together, locked in an embrace of servanthood for the emergence of a world that was unknown to most, but seen as the call to give our lives to that which would enable a new humanness to take form. Now we are scattered, a lot older and less mobile. Like Don Quixote you call for us to rise again and take up the challenge. The fire is not banked, but the role we need to play with our last years is not so clear. We need to hear that and respond from where we are. We need to start from a Faith stance. Do not despair. It is dark and there is a hell of a storm coming. No illusions, no asking for a miracle on the election of Trump, no placing of hope in technological solutions and no regrets for the passing of that which can no longer sustain the social process. I like the way Larry Ward expressed it to us at a Retreat he led here in Mexico almost a year ago. "The forces of the new have already won." We will not live long enough to see it, but the world is embracing change that is ripping through the status quo and those who defend it are fighting to hold on to that which is already dead. That said, we owe it to think clearly and creatively about how to enable a new humanness to take form and be empowered. There will be intense damage and suffering in this struggle. Whatever happens, our eyes must see a thousand years. Now here is my analysis. The Social Process has shifted. The once collapsed Cultural pole is actually on the move. It certainly isn’t coherent nor in charge, but filled with a vitality that is feeding an amazing creativity. The Political process is where the pain lies, for me, these days. Order rules (defensively), Justice and Welfare are anemic. The Nation State is dying and the new form of collective responsibility hasn’t taken root. Because we are now, and forever more, Global, our SP must be as well. The Economic process is whistling in the dark. They know that what is happening regarding the dependance on a healthy biosphere is real and is now, and soon will be, dominating all decisions. They aren’t stupid, just greedy. The world is demanding a new Distribution, and response. I take great hope in the sign that Standing Rock is regarding indigenous wisdom. I know there doesn’t seem to be anything concrete to point to in our HDP work there, but damn, it sure is interesting that it has become a place of Hope! In terms of the New Human Consciousness (what we called the NRM), there is some very exciting work being done to which we can add our wisdom. Speaking personally, the contradiction is the refusal of the scientific community to grasp the meaning of the Other World. They are scared to death of anti-science and fundamentalism as the only option they have encountered. There is deep work to be done here, and we have a lot of wisdom to share. Finally there is that body of people (we called the P.O.G) who enable, with their lives, to bring forth the new. That is where I am looking. Who are these people today, where do you look and finally, how might we serve them and help sustain them? Surely they will burn out or be killed if they attempt to attack the dark forces directly. We have much to share with them. Besides the definitives of our NRM work, they need to grasp Imaginal Ed, Methods (all kinds, but especially social analysis, model building, indirection, symbol, and motivity) and the depths of corporateness. Now for any of you who agree with this empowerment of the POGs, we welcome you to help the Archive Team; making it available, understandable and attractive (findable). It is a small team of old farts who think it is worth the effort! Thanks Marshall. Grace and Peace, Jack On Dec 18, 2016, at 16:07, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: I rarely comment here. BUT I've frankly been devastated by the outcome of the election.I really need to participate in a corporate process of getting to discern and name the deep, underlying global contradiction in the social process dynamic leading up to, and focused by the result of the election.Any takers?I am sure that we have the methodological tools to get there, but where's the corporate will and 'wired-together' corporate structure? Or have we all effectively 'retired' from the revolution and are now sitting on the sidelines (and hopefully not nodding off)?Nodding off on occasion is easy to do as long as we're all just sitting around watching the so-called 'news' in our "little boxes made of ticky-tacky".I was frankly OK with that as long as Hillary was gonna be in the White House.After the 1968 assassinations I knew what to do. Got up off my butt and got myself to 3444 Congress Parkway (which turned out to be a street address without a physical entrance!). But now? I'm all fired up with nowhere to go (at my advanced age)!Surely I'm not the only one who's fully awake and deeply challenged by recent developments. And waiting for WAY worse news to come.Let me hear from you. Marshall On Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:48 AM, Jeanette Stanfield via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Thank you George and Stuart for sharing this with us. Jeanette On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:14 PM, George Holcombe via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Studied this paper introduced by Stuart Hampton in a meeting the other night at our ICA colleagues. Really insightful about the structure of society these days, especially in reference to opportunities and limitations. Used to be, I thought of the upper, middle and poor classes, but this casts a new light on it. And provides some helpful categories and framework for grasping what’s going on these days. https://www.weforum.org/ agenda/2016/11/precariat- global-class-rise-of-populism/ George Holcombe 14900 Yellowleaf Tr. Austin, TX 78728 Mobile 512/252-2756 geowanda1@me.com "Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." 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Thanks Marshall, from your colleagues in Australia.. Sent from my iPhone
On 19 Dec 2016, at 3:04 pm, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
BTW, for what it's worth, I checked Google tonight and, last time the Google car drove by, the Iron Man was still standing in 5th City. The Fifth City Preschool is still up and running in the same building. The community center is now listed as 'Mt. Zion Missionary Baptist Church.' Maybe they're renting part of the building. The former shopping center building still stands, but has been boarded up for many years. The auto service center had been torn down when last I walked by many years ago. The entire block east of the community center on Homan is now fenced in grass. Lela, Ruth, Verdell, and so many others are now gone. But what's important to me is that--surrounded by a great many cleared, empty lots in every direction, poised for redevelopment at some point--the Iron Man is still standing in Fifth City. Let's keep him there. Marshall
On Sunday, December 18, 2016 3:34 PM, Jack Gilles <jackcgilles@gmail.com> wrote:
Marshall,
One of the many things I like about you is your willingness to challenge us all to respond, but to do it with an eye to our wisdom (and our failings). We spent so many years together, locked in an embrace of servanthood for the emergence of a world that was unknown to most, but seen as the call to give our lives to that which would enable a new humanness to take form. Now we are scattered, a lot older and less mobile. Like Don Quixote you call for us to rise again and take up the challenge. The fire is not banked, but the role we need to play with our last years is not so clear. We need to hear that and respond from where we are.
We need to start from a Faith stance. Do not despair. It is dark and there is a hell of a storm coming. No illusions, no asking for a miracle on the election of Trump, no placing of hope in technological solutions and no regrets for the passing of that which can no longer sustain the social process. I like the way Larry Ward expressed it to us at a Retreat he led here in Mexico almost a year ago. "The forces of the new have already won." We will not live long enough to see it, but the world is embracing change that is ripping through the status quo and those who defend it are fighting to hold on to that which is already dead.
That said, we owe it to think clearly and creatively about how to enable a new humanness to take form and be empowered. There will be intense damage and suffering in this struggle. Whatever happens, our eyes must see a thousand years.
Now here is my analysis.
The Social Process has shifted. The once collapsed Cultural pole is actually on the move. It certainly isn’t coherent nor in charge, but filled with a vitality that is feeding an amazing creativity. The Political process is where the pain lies, for me, these days. Order rules (defensively), Justice and Welfare are anemic. The Nation State is dying and the new form of collective responsibility hasn’t taken root. Because we are now, and forever more, Global, our SP must be as well.
The Economic process is whistling in the dark. They know that what is happening regarding the dependance on a healthy biosphere is real and is now, and soon will be, dominating all decisions. They aren’t stupid, just greedy. The world is demanding a new Distribution, and response. I take great hope in the sign that Standing Rock is regarding indigenous wisdom. I know there doesn’t seem to be anything concrete to point to in our HDP work there, but damn, it sure is interesting that it has become a place of Hope!
In terms of the New Human Consciousness (what we called the NRM), there is some very exciting work being done to which we can add our wisdom. Speaking personally, the contradiction is the refusal of the scientific community to grasp the meaning of the Other World. They are scared to death of anti-science and fundamentalism as the only option they have encountered. There is deep work to be done here, and we have a lot of wisdom to share.
Finally there is that body of people (we called the P.O.G) who enable, with their lives, to bring forth the new. That is where I am looking. Who are these people today, where do you look and finally, how might we serve them and help sustain them? Surely they will burn out or be killed if they attempt to attack the dark forces directly. We have much to share with them. Besides the definitives of our NRM work, they need to grasp Imaginal Ed, Methods (all kinds, but especially social analysis, model building, indirection, symbol, and motivity) and the depths of corporateness.
Now for any of you who agree with this empowerment of the POGs, we welcome you to help the Archive Team; making it available, understandable and attractive (findable). It is a small team of old farts who think it is worth the effort!
Thanks Marshall.
Grace and Peace,
Jack
On Dec 18, 2016, at 16:07, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I rarely comment here. BUT I've frankly been devastated by the outcome of the election. I really need to participate in a corporate process of getting to discern and name the deep, underlying global contradiction in the social process dynamic leading up to, and focused by the result of the election. Any takers? I am sure that we have the methodological tools to get there, but where's the corporate will and 'wired-together' corporate structure? Or have we all effectively 'retired' from the revolution and are now sitting on the sidelines (and hopefully not nodding off)? Nodding off on occasion is easy to do as long as we're all just sitting around watching the so-called 'news' in our "little boxes made of ticky-tacky". I was frankly OK with that as long as Hillary was gonna be in the White House. After the 1968 assassinations I knew what to do. Got up off my butt and got myself to 3444 Congress Parkway (which turned out to be a street address without a physical entrance!). But now? I'm all fired up with nowhere to go (at my advanced age)! Surely I'm not the only one who's fully awake and deeply challenged by recent developments. And waiting for WAY worse news to come. Let me hear from you. Marshall
On Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:48 AM, Jeanette Stanfield via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Thank you George and Stuart for sharing this with us.
Jeanette
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:14 PM, George Holcombe via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Studied this paper introduced by Stuart Hampton in a meeting the other night at our ICA colleagues. Really insightful about the structure of society these days, especially in reference to opportunities and limitations. Used to be, I thought of the upper, middle and poor classes, but this casts a new light on it. And provides some helpful categories and framework for grasping what’s going on these days.
https://www.weforum.org/ agenda/2016/11/precariat- global-class-rise-of-populism/
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