Thanks John, and friend, for opening this dialogue. I need to chew on it a bit, and yet, I use the smoking example (and the fall of the Berlin wall) as examples of things I never thought I’d see in my lifetime. Now I need to “see” this new surprise shift. In appreciation, Sunny From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of John Epps via OE Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:40 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@wedgeblade.net> Cc: John Epps <jlepps39@gmail.com> Subject: [Oe List ...] guns This is a bit long, but represents a conversation I'm having with a friend of many years. Our church had a guest preacher yesterday -- she was a professor of preaching (homiletics) at Candler at Emory, a Methodist seminary. She was a member of the African Methodist Episcopal (AME) church, and she PREACHED a sermon. It was like poetic rap on steroids, passionate, verbally articulate and diverse, a huge number of words in a little time. The preaching courses I took were more about content than style, but she had them both. I've never before heard a congregation applaud a sermon, but this upper-middle class, mostly white church gave her a rousing ovation. Besides that, it was a profound message: "Words matter: be thankful and say so. God is good, so thank God, whatever happens." I find that hard after the Texas shooting at the church. Since Joe used to contend that to pray about something without developing a plan to deal with it was beyond useless (I think he used the phrase, "like pissing in the wind"), I've been trying to think of some effective ways to reduce the gun violence. Here's what I've come up with: 1. I'm not against gun ownership: I've owned cap pistols and water guns, a BB gun, a 22, a 4-10, and a 12 Gage, and learned to fire and dismantle an M-1 rifle. My dad and brother owned numerous types of shotguns when skeet shooting was a hobby and bird hunting was common. 2. Advocating "gun control" has not worked and does not have much likelihood of passing in the future. It's a direct tactic, and according to Sun Tzu, indirection is needed to win. 3. The control of tobacco might provide some ideas. Smoking stopped being a popular and expected behavior. 4. Suppose a curriculum were to be introduced at the grammar school level and expanded to upper grades on safe use of firearms. Even NRA might support that. It might include a module that showed assault weapons were for military use only. 5. Suppose media (TV, movies, and computer games) were to cut out shooting people as a major emphasis (as they cut out smoking years ago). Probably cowboy movies could be an exception. 6 Suppose a heavy tax were to be imposed on the sale of guns, with taxes higher for the more lethal weapons (like assault rifles), the revenue to be used for mental health upgrades. (Colorado uses marijuana tax for upgrades to infrastructure, and gambling taxes for parks and recreation). It could also be used for a buy-back scheme, such as has worked in Australia. 7. Opposition from the firearms industry could be ineffective, like opposition from the tobacco industry adapted to the no-smoking movement. Those were my initial thoughts. My friend responded: "I was visiting Memphis and we went to purchase 25 cal ammo for a pistol I gave my son to carry while hunting. He had been unable to find it elsewhere. Set up in a very large room there were guns of every imaginable description, even an M1 . The rifles were not your 22 but the strange looking weapons shown on t v after an event like Texas or L.V. (Attendees included) a group of young men most speaking Spanish pooling their money and buying multiple handguns. There appeared to be a table set up to complete forms and I suppose for background computer checks so it did not seem to be only a buy and walk out situation. Other attendees were decked out in camo, many had beards transported in most cases to the show by pickup truck. I could not estimate the number of assault type rifles available. Vests with plates were abundant or Kevlar. If you could qualify to buy then every thing you could possibly need to do what the recent attackers have done was there, simply for the buying. And the crowd was diverse too, not just Hispanics and beards and camo. "There likely is not a single answer. It was difficult to grow up in the small town south without gun exposure but to the same type weapons you described, not those I saw with modified clips to hold 40 or more bullets. I frankly could think of no reason to have one of those assault types though there is an argument others have them so I need to stay even (small arms race). "Your ideas 4,5 and 6 are entirely reasonable. The problem comes when one side says "no guns at all" or uses the word "control". Somewhere in between with a riddance over time of the assault type outside the military would help. Evil people can do their damage even with cars and trucks as we have seen. "You and I are unlikely to see an answer. If you want "gun control" you are a flaming liberal and if not you are a damned republican nra loving maniac. It is all so politicized that the truth gets buried. But I do believe if everyone could go to one gun (and knife) show, a reasonable dialogue could begin." We need to activate our "Trans establishment" posture, and work out some practical ways to curb gun violence. What are your prescriptions?