Africa immigration to Europe
Some time in the spring or early summer, we were having a conversation about perils or worries about the future. I suggested that population explosion needs to be addressed once again. Jack sent me a link to a Ted's Talk that suggested population will likely remain somewhat level. I was somewhat relieved, but in fact, the talk was somewhat abstract and based on numbers and probabilities. Here is a link to a NYTimes article that is much more grounded and brings me back to the need for an emphasis on population control. Doris Hahn I think it is worth our time to read: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/09/opinion/sunday/ross-douthat-africas-scramble-for-europe.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share
Doris, The numbers I've seen project continued population growth through the year 2050 by which time the Earth will likely have surpassed its carrying capacity of 9 billion by as much as a half billion. Accompanying that is continued economic and business growth, all at rates that are unsustainable. Migration is somewhat different but related, caused by rising sea levels and food and water shortages, all of which are, of course, related to global warming. We are currently using resources at 150% of Earth's capacity, and that is expected to increase to 300% by centuries end--if current population growth rates continue, primarily in the developing nations, and if economic and business growth rates continue and consumption patterns and lifestyle habits in the developed nations go unchanged. Not a rosy picture, but change is possible. Randy Sent from my iPad
On Aug 9, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Doris Hahn via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Some time in the spring or early summer, we were having a conversation about perils or worries about the future. I suggested that population explosion needs to be addressed once again. Jack sent me a link to a Ted's Talk that suggested population will likely remain somewhat level. I was somewhat relieved, but in fact, the talk was somewhat abstract and based on numbers and probabilities.
Here is a link to a NYTimes article that is much more grounded and brings me back to the need for an emphasis on population control.
Doris Hahn
I think it is worth our time to read:
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Doris and Randy, I appreciate these recent posts. I remember the ZPG commitment Joe and I made in 1967 (and quickly met after twins) – and this morning heard a piece on NPR about forward thinking for Boston’s Back Bay (all reclaimed swamp land and the most pricey real estate in bean town) that includes considering canals (like Amsterdam and Naples) but with the added challenge of two high tides per 24 hours. Just wondering, Randy. Could you elaborate on your final comment, “..but change is possible.” Or is that a faith statement? Marilyn From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Randy Williams via OE Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 5:19 PM To: Doris Hahn Cc: OE List Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Africa immigration to Europe Doris, The numbers I've seen project continued population growth through the year 2050 by which time the Earth will likely have surpassed its carrying capacity of 9 billion by as much as a half billion. Accompanying that is continued economic and business growth, all at rates that are unsustainable. Migration is somewhat different but related, caused by rising sea levels and food and water shortages, all of which are, of course, related to global warming. We are currently using resources at 150% of Earth's capacity, and that is expected to increase to 300% by centuries end--if current population growth rates continue, primarily in the developing nations, and if economic and business growth rates continue and consumption patterns and lifestyle habits in the developed nations go unchanged. Not a rosy picture, but change is possible. Randy Sent from my iPad On Aug 9, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Doris Hahn via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Some time in the spring or early summer, we were having a conversation about perils or worries about the future. I suggested that population explosion needs to be addressed once again. Jack sent me a link to a Ted's Talk that suggested population will likely remain somewhat level. I was somewhat relieved, but in fact, the talk was somewhat abstract and based on numbers and probabilities. Here is a link to a NYTimes article that is much more grounded and brings me back to the need for an emphasis on population control. Doris Hahn I think it is worth our time to read: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/09/opinion/sunday/ross-douthat-africas-scramb... <http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/09/opinion/sunday/ross-douthat-africas-scramble-for-europe.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share> &smid=nytcore-ipad-share _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
Marilyn, Not entirely on faith. There is so much going on in the world regarding simplicity, green living, environmental stewardship, alternative energy generation, etc. For example, who would have known that Texas is the largest generator of wind energy in the U.S. Paul Hawken's book a while back, Blessed Unrest, in which he called forth "the largest movement in the world," was for me the bellwether. More recently Jeremy Rifkin's book The Third Industrial Revolution, Naomi Klein's This Changes Everything and of course, Pope Francis's encyclical Care for Our Common Home. We in the U.S. tend to be a little more skeptical because most of the deniers are here. But I believe President Obama's recent climate plan will have more impact than many expect, in spite of Congress, and the upcoming summit in Paris should solidify China and Brazil making more significant commitments--all these are indicative that change is possible. I'm sure others on this list have their stories as well. So I am hopeful, but the big question is, will it be too little too late. Randy Sent from my iPad
On Aug 9, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Marilyn Crocker <marilyncrocker@juno.com> wrote:
Doris and Randy,
I appreciate these recent posts. I remember the ZPG commitment Joe and I made in 1967 (and quickly met after twins) – and this morning heard a piece on NPR about forward thinking for Boston’s Back Bay (all reclaimed swamp land and the most pricey real estate in bean town) that includes considering canals (like Amsterdam and Naples) but with the added challenge of two high tides per 24 hours.
Just wondering, Randy. Could you elaborate on your final comment, “..but change is possible.” Or is that a faith statement?
Marilyn
From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Randy Williams via OE Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 5:19 PM To: Doris Hahn Cc: OE List Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Africa immigration to Europe
Doris, The numbers I've seen project continued population growth through the year 2050 by which time the Earth will likely have surpassed its carrying capacity of 9 billion by as much as a half billion. Accompanying that is continued economic and business growth, all at rates that are unsustainable. Migration is somewhat different but related, caused by rising sea levels and food and water shortages, all of which are, of course, related to global warming. We are currently using resources at 150% of Earth's capacity, and that is expected to increase to 300% by centuries end--if current population growth rates continue, primarily in the developing nations, and if economic and business growth rates continue and consumption patterns and lifestyle habits in the developed nations go unchanged. Not a rosy picture, but change is possible. Randy
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 9, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Doris Hahn via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Some time in the spring or early summer, we were having a conversation about perils or worries about the future. I suggested that population explosion needs to be addressed once again. Jack sent me a link to a Ted's Talk that suggested population will likely remain somewhat level. I was somewhat relieved, but in fact, the talk was somewhat abstract and based on numbers and probabilities.
Here is a link to a NYTimes article that is much more grounded and brings me back to the need for an emphasis on population control.
Doris Hahn
I think it is worth our time to read:
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Randy Sorry to take a spin on your phrase "Not entirely on faith" Now that I'm back in MinneSOda from Costa Rica I'm more sensitive to the local MN nice news-speak here. Fareed says this am that our national and public neo-liberal paradigm provides a seemingly endless set of pessimistic even reactionary fear cycles. I started looking at Twitter among young educators and began wondering what teachers and students and researchers are studying that seems more hope -filled - like YOU" In particular Stanford U has been teaching California in Design Thinking of developing forward-leaning "habits of mind " associated with designing solutions to "driving questions like "what work will we do in 2050?" In Design projects they make and evaluate solutions to the driving question. So much depends on where you stand with whom to see limits, possibilities and clear choices. What would be a driving question on population that might engage young people in making new models? I'd sooner stand with and for the young ones who still hope than the ones in thecurrent paradigm of spectator cynicism and fearfulness that Fareed so ably described Steve Message from: Steve Skype: consultharrington Social Media: LinkedIn, FaceBook, Google + Hangouts
On Aug 9, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Randy Williams via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Marilyn, Not entirely on faith. There is so much going on in the world regarding simplicity, green living, environmental stewardship, alternative energy generation, etc. For example, who would have known that Texas is the largest generator of wind energy in the U.S. Paul Hawken's book a while back, Blessed Unrest, in which he called forth "the largest movement in the world," was for me the bellwether. More recently Jeremy Rifkin's book The Third Industrial Revolution, Naomi Klein's This Changes Everything and of course, Pope Francis's encyclical Care for Our Common Home. We in the U.S. tend to be a little more skeptical because most of the deniers are here. But I believe President Obama's recent climate plan will have more impact than many expect, in spite of Congress, and the upcoming summit in Paris should solidify China and Brazil making more significant commitments--all these are indicative that change is possible. I'm sure others on this list have their stories as well. So I am hopeful, but the big question is, will it be too little too late. Randy
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 9, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Marilyn Crocker <marilyncrocker@juno.com> wrote:
Doris and Randy,
I appreciate these recent posts. I remember the ZPG commitment Joe and I made in 1967 (and quickly met after twins) – and this morning heard a piece on NPR about forward thinking for Boston’s Back Bay (all reclaimed swamp land and the most pricey real estate in bean town) that includes considering canals (like Amsterdam and Naples) but with the added challenge of two high tides per 24 hours.
Just wondering, Randy. Could you elaborate on your final comment, “..but change is possible.” Or is that a faith statement?
Marilyn
From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Randy Williams via OE Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 5:19 PM To: Doris Hahn Cc: OE List Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Africa immigration to Europe
Doris, The numbers I've seen project continued population growth through the year 2050 by which time the Earth will likely have surpassed its carrying capacity of 9 billion by as much as a half billion. Accompanying that is continued economic and business growth, all at rates that are unsustainable. Migration is somewhat different but related, caused by rising sea levels and food and water shortages, all of which are, of course, related to global warming. We are currently using resources at 150% of Earth's capacity, and that is expected to increase to 300% by centuries end--if current population growth rates continue, primarily in the developing nations, and if economic and business growth rates continue and consumption patterns and lifestyle habits in the developed nations go unchanged. Not a rosy picture, but change is possible. Randy
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 9, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Doris Hahn via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Some time in the spring or early summer, we were having a conversation about perils or worries about the future. I suggested that population explosion needs to be addressed once again. Jack sent me a link to a Ted's Talk that suggested population will likely remain somewhat level. I was somewhat relieved, but in fact, the talk was somewhat abstract and based on numbers and probabilities.
Here is a link to a NYTimes article that is much more grounded and brings me back to the need for an emphasis on population control.
Doris Hahn
I think it is worth our time to read:
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