Dear beloved community, Thank you for your sharing. Our country suffered severely also, in that War. We have to this day, very wounded Vietnam Vets, as we call these very brave people. I reckon mostly men, ( would be helped if someone here gave me information about how serving women were affected. ) Australians back here treated the Vets so disgracefully after they came him. I don't want to discuss the pain of these returned Vets. We here were ashamed of how we treated them in later years. We lived in the US all that time, and here there was huge, enormous resistance to even going to the War. Please never again. In peace and love, Isobel Bishop. On 01/10/2017, at 8:00 AM, Sherwood Shankland via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Thanks, Herman My resistance to the draft took the form of a religious deferment as prior of the Cleveland religious house... I have been to the Wall 3 times. The first time I was jolted by the vast expanse of names. I wept for an hour. Eunice and Robert tried to understand my response and I too tried . On my second visit I looked up my high school classmate, Jim Rizzo, who had died in action and touched his name. Tears again and a start toward acknowledging the deep tragedy of that misguided war. Looking at my own reflection in the Wall I imagined Jim and felt the tragic loss of my friend. The third visit was a hurried visit on a sunny day which brought a bit of perspective to the journey we all share thru that amazing, sacred space. Go soon , Herman, there is healing in that place...Mystery beyond what I could have imagined, and healing I never knew I needed until it swept through me. Grace happens. Life is Good. In Peace, Sherwood (I guess that covers my Earthrise witness for this year :-)

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From: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net To: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Cc: rhowie3@verizon.net Sent: 2017-09-30 14:09:24 GMT Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Have you been watching the Vietnam series on PBS?

Dick and I watched all the episodes. Let us hope and pray that history does not repeat itself!

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-----Original Message----- From: Margaret Aiseayew via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: 'Order Ecumenical Community' <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Margaret Aiseayew <aiseayew@netins.net> Sent: Fri, Sep 29, 2017 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Have you been watching the Vietnam series on PBS?

All sides were presented. I concluded that all sides were wrong. Margaret

From: OE [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Herman Greene via OE Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:24 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community Cc: Herman Greene Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Have you been watching the Vietnam series on PBS?

Tonight was the final session. All that the US fought for was lost. But what we fought for was an abstraction at the leadership level and at the level of noncombatant citizens, right and left, as well. On the one hand we fought to defeat Communism and keep our promises to our allies, on the other we fought for a mistake. The lives of the people involved in the war on all sides, perpetrators and victims, were forgotten.

Never has the story of this war or perhaps any war been told like it was in this series. All sides were presented. Every side was right and every side was wrong and so much, so much, so much carnage, suffering and tragedy. The armaments, the bombing, the artillery, oh my. Bullets flying by the millions.

I feel anger for our the perfidy of our national leaders and for the war crimes committed on all sides. And I, like the protester at the end of the series, feel sorry at my own simplification of the issues, for my righteous, blind resistance.

Three of my high school classmates died in the war. Now I want to go to the wall and touch their names.

Herman

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:25 PM, McGuire, Jann & Fred via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: I'm profoundly grateful for this amazing 21st Century Art piece. Last night reminded me of a couple of Vietnam veterans: my cousin J.Mac Cates, a career army officer, who died young of leukemia, probably caused by agent orange exposure, as well as Israel Reyna, a teaching colleague.

I appreciate this ongoing art form conversation. It has mostly been on the Reflective level. Can't wait for Interpretive and Decisional. Here's an Objective observation, though not an exact quote. An interviewee last night said that the student protests and veteran counter protests caused a divide in the country that has never healed.

I was struck by young John Kerry's speech. I felt emotional when the veterans threw their medals at Nixon's White House barriers.

Thank you all,

Jann

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