So, I was riding my bicycle to the food bank
About 5 am yesterday, and is often the case with me, a song was going through my head, in this case, Amazing Grace. I had googled the book The Shaking of the Foundations, on Thursday and discovered that Tillich's You Are Accepted was included as a chapter. Back to the bike ride: the lyrics of Amazing Grace were wandering through my head . . . And the line came "Twas grace that taught my heart to fear". and I wondered what that line was pointing to . . . Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung
On Apr 21, 2018, at 00:37, Isobel and Jim Bishop via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Dear Dawn,
Thank you for your bravery in writing this, I am enjoying the conversation.!
Keep on keeping on, as the saying goes….
with love from
Isobel. xx
Isobel and Jim Bishop isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au
On 21/04/2018, at 4:59 PM, Dawn Collins via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hi, Mary!
Try this on by way of an explanation: The Creator/Source sometimes uses the most unlikely of choices (to us) to impact wayward souls who have no thought of believing in a Source/Creator and devote their lives to temporal, materialistic things. Take the apostles for instance, what a motley crew! From lowly fishermen with one a despised tax collector, (seen as lackeys of the Roman occupation); they weren't exactly the creme de la creme of society.
In the Old Testament, the Source/Creator used enemies of the Hebrew nation to defeat them in warfare as a means to remind them to be faithful to their Covenant with the Creator/Source and not follow the ways of the temporal world where idol worship was the rule of the day. Serious stuff, eh?
Reluctant prophets also bore the responsibility of reminding the Israelites of being obedient to putting the Source/Creator as their ultimate priority. Needless to say, they were not only unpopular but spoke their message even when in fear of their lives.
I hope for a future where we are past the point in our history as a nation in the U.S.and around the world where our social prophets e.g., activists, young or mature, journalists, and religious leaders are rendered violently expendable to the more radical elements in our society.
One of my big thoughts has been to compare the plight of Israel through its history to the timeline of my life as a human being. Questions I ask are: What can we learn from their history? Was and is it universal? What is the role of a Word Bearer In the community and the world?
I often listen to music as meditation. Tracy Chapman's New Beginning album speaks to me of creating a heaven here on earth with a new beginning creating new symbols, new signs, and, a new language.I think she's a social pioneer and prophet.
Anyway, I'm glad to be on the planet and actively participating in the struggle dealing with the moral issue affecting the spirit of our times...
G&P,
The struggle continues,
Dawn
We love the Creator/Source because the Source/Creator first loved us. 1 John 4:19
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Doesn't fear in this case point to the experience of awe Nancy Trask 515-505-0456 nancy50273@centurylink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: James Wiegel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Oe List ...] So, I was riding my bicycle to the food bank About 5 am yesterday, and is often the case with me, a song was going through my head, in this case, Amazing Grace. I had googled the book The Shaking of the Foundations, on Thursday and discovered that Tillich's You Are Accepted was included as a chapter. Back to the bike ride: the lyrics of Amazing Grace were wandering through my head . . . And the line came "Twas grace that taught my heart to fear". and I wondered what that line was pointing to . . . Jim Wiegel401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277jfwiegel@yahoo.comwww.partnersinparticipation.com Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung On Apr 21, 2018, at 00:37, Isobel and Jim Bishop via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Dear Dawn, Thank you for your bravery in writing this, I am enjoying the conversation.! Keep on keeping on, as the saying goes…. with love from Isobel. xx Isobel and Jim Bishop isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au On 21/04/2018, at 4:59 PM, Dawn Collins via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Hi, Mary!Try this on by way of an explanation: The Creator/Source sometimes uses the most unlikely of choices (to us) to impact wayward souls who have no thought of believing in a Source/Creator and devote their lives to temporal, materialistic things. Take the apostles for instance, what a motley crew! From lowly fishermen with one a despised tax collector, (seen as lackeys of the Roman occupation); they weren't exactly the creme de la creme of society. In the Old Testament, the Source/Creator used enemies of the Hebrew nation to defeat them in warfare as a means to remind them to be faithful to their Covenant with the Creator/Source and not follow the ways of the temporal world where idol worship was the rule of the day. Serious stuff, eh? Reluctant prophets also bore the responsibility of reminding the Israelites of being obedient to putting the Source/Creator as their ultimate priority. Needless to say, they were not only unpopular but spoke their message even when in fear of their lives.I hope for a future where we are past the point in our history as a nation in the U.S.and around the world where our social prophets e.g., activists, young or mature, journalists, and religious leaders are rendered violently expendable to the more radical elements in our society.One of my big thoughts has been to compare the plight of Israel through its history to the timeline of my life as a human being. Questions I ask are: What can we learn from their history? Was and is it universal? What is the role of a Word Bearer In the community and the world?I often listen to music as meditation. Tracy Chapman's New Beginning album speaks to me of creating a heaven here on earth with a new beginning creating new symbols, new signs, and, a new language.I think she's a social pioneer and prophet. Anyway, I'm glad to be on the planet and actively participating in the struggle dealing with the moral issue affecting the spirit of our times...G&P, The struggle continues, Dawn We love the Creator/Source because the Source/Creator first loved us.1 John 4:19 _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
To me it's like "No mud no lutus". I know! Ongoing obtusehood. Remember well Slicker telling me I own this quality. On Sat, Apr 21, 2018, 12:36 PM Nancy Trask via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Doesn't fear in this case point to the experience of awe
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----- Original Message ----- From: James Wiegel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Oe List ...] So, I was riding my bicycle to the food bank
About 5 am yesterday, and is often the case with me, a song was going through my head, in this case, Amazing Grace. I had googled the book The Shaking of the Foundations, on Thursday and discovered that Tillich's You Are Accepted was included as a chapter.
Back to the bike ride: the lyrics of Amazing Grace were wandering through my head . . . And the line came "Twas grace that taught my heart to fear". and I wondered what that line was pointing to . . .
Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com
Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung
On Apr 21, 2018, at 00:37, Isobel and Jim Bishop via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Dear Dawn,
Thank you for your bravery in writing this, I am enjoying the conversation.!
Keep on keeping on, as the saying goes….
with love from
Isobel. xx
Isobel and Jim Bishop isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au
On 21/04/2018, at 4:59 PM, Dawn Collins via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hi, Mary!
Try this on by way of an explanation: The Creator/Source sometimes uses the most unlikely of choices (to us) to impact wayward souls who have no thought of believing in a Source/Creator and devote their lives to temporal, materialistic things. Take the apostles for instance, what a motley crew! From lowly fishermen with one a despised tax collector, (seen as lackeys of the Roman occupation); they weren't exactly the creme de la creme of society.
In the Old Testament, the Source/Creator used enemies of the Hebrew nation to defeat them in warfare as a means to remind them to be faithful to their Covenant with the Creator/Source and not follow the ways of the temporal world where idol worship was the rule of the day. Serious stuff, eh?
Reluctant prophets also bore the responsibility of reminding the Israelites of being obedient to putting the Source/Creator as their ultimate priority. Needless to say, they were not only unpopular but spoke their message even when in fear of their lives.
I hope for a future where we are past the point in our history as a nation in the U.S.and around the world where our social prophets e.g., activists, young or mature, journalists, and religious leaders are rendered violently expendable to the more radical elements in our society.
One of my big thoughts has been to compare the plight of Israel through its history to the timeline of my life as a human being. Questions I ask are: What can we learn from their history? Was and is it universal? What is the role of a Word Bearer In the community and the world?
I often listen to music as meditation. Tracy Chapman's New Beginning album speaks to me of creating a heaven here on earth with a new beginning creating new symbols, new signs, and, a new language.I think she's a social pioneer and prophet.
Anyway, I'm glad to be on the planet and actively participating in the struggle dealing with the moral issue affecting the spirit of our times...
G&P,
The struggle continues,
Dawn
We love the Creator/Source because the Source/Creator first loved us. 1 John 4:19
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I recall JWM saying (and I can hear the emphasis in his voice now) that our job was "to love God ... and to FEAR him". "'Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear..." suggests that being "scared shitless" can be a moment of grace. Like Butch and Sundance jumping off the cliff when they're pursued by the posse and there's no other way to go! After Sundance says "But I can't swim!" and Butch says "The fall will probably kill you!" "Who ARE those guys?" Well folks, we're being chased by the Mystery. Marshall On Saturday, April 21, 2018, 7:43:27 AM PDT, James Wiegel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: About 5 am yesterday, and is often the case with me, a song was going through my head, in this case, Amazing Grace. I had googled the book The Shaking of the Foundations, on Thursday and discovered that Tillich's You Are Accepted was included as a chapter. Back to the bike ride: the lyrics of Amazing Grace were wandering through my head . . . And the line came "Twas grace that taught my heart to fear". and I wondered what that line was pointing to . . . Jim Wiegel401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277jfwiegel@yahoo.comwww.partnersinparticipation.com Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung On Apr 21, 2018, at 00:37, Isobel and Jim Bishop via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Dear Dawn, Thank you for your bravery in writing this, I am enjoying the conversation.! Keep on keeping on, as the saying goes…. with love from Isobel. xx Isobel and Jim Bishop isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au On 21/04/2018, at 4:59 PM, Dawn Collins via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Hi, Mary! Try this on by way of an explanation: The Creator/Source sometimes uses the most unlikely of choices (to us) to impact wayward souls who have no thought of believing in a Source/Creator and devote their lives to temporal, materialistic things. Take the apostles for instance, what a motley crew! From lowly fishermen with one a despised tax collector, (seen as lackeys of the Roman occupation); they weren't exactly the creme de la creme of society. In the Old Testament, the Source/Creator used enemies of the Hebrew nation to defeat them in warfare as a means to remind them to be faithful to their Covenant with the Creator/Source and not follow the ways of the temporal world where idol worship was the rule of the day. Serious stuff, eh? Reluctant prophets also bore the responsibility of reminding the Israelites of being obedient to putting the Source/Creator as their ultimate priority. Needless to say, they were not only unpopular but spoke their message even when in fear of their lives. I hope for a future where we are past the point in our history as a nation in the U.S.and around the world where our social prophets e.g., activists, young or mature, journalists, and religious leaders are rendered violently expendable to the more radical elements in our society. One of my big thoughts has been to compare the plight of Israel through its history to the timeline of my life as a human being. Questions I ask are: What can we learn from their history? Was and is it universal? What is the role of a Word Bearer In the community and the world? I often listen to music as meditation. Tracy Chapman's New Beginning album speaks to me of creating a heaven here on earth with a new beginning creating new symbols, new signs, and, a new language.I think she's a social pioneer and prophet. Anyway, I'm glad to be on the planet and actively participating in the struggle dealing with the moral issue affecting the spirit of our times... G&P, The struggle continues, Dawn We love the Creator/Source because the Source/Creator first loved us.1 John 4:19 _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
My fear was much more down to earth. When I say your subject I thought "Oh shit, he fell off his bike and he can't come!!!" Jean Long Global Archives On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 11:52 AM, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I recall JWM saying (and I can hear the emphasis in his voice now) that our job was "to love God ... and to FEAR him". "'Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear..." suggests that being "scared shitless" can be a moment of grace. Like Butch and Sundance jumping off the cliff when they're pursued by the posse and there's no other way to go! After Sundance says "But I can't swim!" and Butch says "The fall will probably kill you!" "Who ARE those guys?" Well folks, we're being chased by the Mystery. Marshall
On Saturday, April 21, 2018, 7:43:27 AM PDT, James Wiegel via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
About 5 am yesterday, and is often the case with me, a song was going through my head, in this case, Amazing Grace. I had googled the book The Shaking of the Foundations, on Thursday and discovered that Tillich's You Are Accepted was included as a chapter.
Back to the bike ride: the lyrics of Amazing Grace were wandering through my head . . . And the line came "Twas grace that taught my heart to fear". and I wondered what that line was pointing to . . .
Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com
Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung
On Apr 21, 2018, at 00:37, Isobel and Jim Bishop via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Dear Dawn,
Thank you for your bravery in writing this, I am enjoying the conversation.!
Keep on keeping on, as the saying goes….
with love from
Isobel. xx
Isobel and Jim Bishop isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au
On 21/04/2018, at 4:59 PM, Dawn Collins via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hi, Mary!
Try this on by way of an explanation: The Creator/Source sometimes uses the most unlikely of choices (to us) to impact wayward souls who have no thought of believing in a Source/Creator and devote their lives to temporal, materialistic things. Take the apostles for instance, what a motley crew! From lowly fishermen with one a despised tax collector, (seen as lackeys of the Roman occupation); they weren't exactly the creme de la creme of society.
In the Old Testament, the Source/Creator used enemies of the Hebrew nation to defeat them in warfare as a means to remind them to be faithful to their Covenant with the Creator/Source and not follow the ways of the temporal world where idol worship was the rule of the day. Serious stuff, eh?
Reluctant prophets also bore the responsibility of reminding the Israelites of being obedient to putting the Source/Creator as their ultimate priority. Needless to say, they were not only unpopular but spoke their message even when in fear of their lives.
I hope for a future where we are past the point in our history as a nation in the U.S.and around the world where our social prophets e.g., activists, young or mature, journalists, and religious leaders are rendered violently expendable to the more radical elements in our society.
One of my big thoughts has been to compare the plight of Israel through its history to the timeline of my life as a human being. Questions I ask are: What can we learn from their history? Was and is it universal? What is the role of a Word Bearer In the community and the world?
I often listen to music as meditation. Tracy Chapman's New Beginning album speaks to me of creating a heaven here on earth with a new beginning creating new symbols, new signs, and, a new language.I think she's a social pioneer and prophet.
Anyway, I'm glad to be on the planet and actively participating in the struggle dealing with the moral issue affecting the spirit of our times...
G&P,
The struggle continues,
Dawn
We love the Creator/Source because the Source/Creator first loved us. 1 John 4:19
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Or awakening to the impact of treating people like things. On Sat, Apr 21, 2018, 11:59 AM Jean Long via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
My fear was much more down to earth. When I say your subject I thought "Oh shit, he fell off his bike and he can't come!!!"
Jean Long Global Archives
On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 11:52 AM, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
I recall JWM saying (and I can hear the emphasis in his voice now) that our job was "to love God ... and to FEAR him". "'Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear..." suggests that being "scared shitless" can be a moment of grace. Like Butch and Sundance jumping off the cliff when they're pursued by the posse and there's no other way to go! After Sundance says "But I can't swim!" and Butch says "The fall will probably kill you!" "Who ARE those guys?" Well folks, we're being chased by the Mystery. Marshall
On Saturday, April 21, 2018, 7:43:27 AM PDT, James Wiegel via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
About 5 am yesterday, and is often the case with me, a song was going through my head, in this case, Amazing Grace. I had googled the book The Shaking of the Foundations, on Thursday and discovered that Tillich's You Are Accepted was included as a chapter.
Back to the bike ride: the lyrics of Amazing Grace were wandering through my head . . . And the line came "Twas grace that taught my heart to fear". and I wondered what that line was pointing to . . .
Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com
Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung
On Apr 21, 2018, at 00:37, Isobel and Jim Bishop via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Dear Dawn,
Thank you for your bravery in writing this, I am enjoying the conversation.!
Keep on keeping on, as the saying goes….
with love from
Isobel. xx
Isobel and Jim Bishop isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au
On 21/04/2018, at 4:59 PM, Dawn Collins via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hi, Mary!
Try this on by way of an explanation: The Creator/Source sometimes uses the most unlikely of choices (to us) to impact wayward souls who have no thought of believing in a Source/Creator and devote their lives to temporal, materialistic things. Take the apostles for instance, what a motley crew! From lowly fishermen with one a despised tax collector, (seen as lackeys of the Roman occupation); they weren't exactly the creme de la creme of society.
In the Old Testament, the Source/Creator used enemies of the Hebrew nation to defeat them in warfare as a means to remind them to be faithful to their Covenant with the Creator/Source and not follow the ways of the temporal world where idol worship was the rule of the day. Serious stuff, eh?
Reluctant prophets also bore the responsibility of reminding the Israelites of being obedient to putting the Source/Creator as their ultimate priority. Needless to say, they were not only unpopular but spoke their message even when in fear of their lives.
I hope for a future where we are past the point in our history as a nation in the U.S.and around the world where our social prophets e.g., activists, young or mature, journalists, and religious leaders are rendered violently expendable to the more radical elements in our society.
One of my big thoughts has been to compare the plight of Israel through its history to the timeline of my life as a human being. Questions I ask are: What can we learn from their history? Was and is it universal? What is the role of a Word Bearer In the community and the world?
I often listen to music as meditation. Tracy Chapman's New Beginning album speaks to me of creating a heaven here on earth with a new beginning creating new symbols, new signs, and, a new language.I think she's a social pioneer and prophet.
Anyway, I'm glad to be on the planet and actively participating in the struggle dealing with the moral issue affecting the spirit of our times...
G&P,
The struggle continues,
Dawn
We love the Creator/Source because the Source/Creator first loved us. 1 John 4:19
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Well, that was just a movie. But here's another story, and this one is true: I saw a video that was shot in the lobby of one of the Twin Towers on 9/11. You could hear the SOUND of people hitting the sidewalk outside. I imagine that a moment of grace was what gave people the freedom to jump and soar for a moment to their certain deaths, knowing that they could no longer live on this earth, but trusting that they were finally going home. Marshall On Saturday, April 21, 2018, 9:52:55 AM PDT, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: I recall JWM saying (and I can hear the emphasis in his voice now) that our job was "to love God ... and to FEAR him". "'Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear..." suggests that being "scared shitless" can be a moment of grace. Like Butch and Sundance jumping off the cliff when they're pursued by the posse and there's no other way to go! After Sundance says "But I can't swim!" and Butch says "The fall will probably kill you!" "Who ARE those guys?" Well folks, we're being chased by the Mystery. Marshall On Saturday, April 21, 2018, 7:43:27 AM PDT, James Wiegel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: About 5 am yesterday, and is often the case with me, a song was going through my head, in this case, Amazing Grace. I had googled the book The Shaking of the Foundations, on Thursday and discovered that Tillich's You Are Accepted was included as a chapter. Back to the bike ride: the lyrics of Amazing Grace were wandering through my head . . . And the line came "Twas grace that taught my heart to fear". and I wondered what that line was pointing to . . . Jim Wiegel401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277jfwiegel@yahoo.comwww.partnersinparticipation.com Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung On Apr 21, 2018, at 00:37, Isobel and Jim Bishop via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Dear Dawn, Thank you for your bravery in writing this, I am enjoying the conversation.! Keep on keeping on, as the saying goes…. with love from Isobel. xx Isobel and Jim Bishop isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au On 21/04/2018, at 4:59 PM, Dawn Collins via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Hi, Mary! Try this on by way of an explanation: The Creator/Source sometimes uses the most unlikely of choices (to us) to impact wayward souls who have no thought of believing in a Source/Creator and devote their lives to temporal, materialistic things. Take the apostles for instance, what a motley crew! From lowly fishermen with one a despised tax collector, (seen as lackeys of the Roman occupation); they weren't exactly the creme de la creme of society. In the Old Testament, the Source/Creator used enemies of the Hebrew nation to defeat them in warfare as a means to remind them to be faithful to their Covenant with the Creator/Source and not follow the ways of the temporal world where idol worship was the rule of the day. Serious stuff, eh? Reluctant prophets also bore the responsibility of reminding the Israelites of being obedient to putting the Source/Creator as their ultimate priority. Needless to say, they were not only unpopular but spoke their message even when in fear of their lives. I hope for a future where we are past the point in our history as a nation in the U.S.and around the world where our social prophets e.g., activists, young or mature, journalists, and religious leaders are rendered violently expendable to the more radical elements in our society. One of my big thoughts has been to compare the plight of Israel through its history to the timeline of my life as a human being. Questions I ask are: What can we learn from their history? Was and is it universal? What is the role of a Word Bearer In the community and the world? I often listen to music as meditation. Tracy Chapman's New Beginning album speaks to me of creating a heaven here on earth with a new beginning creating new symbols, new signs, and, a new language.I think she's a social pioneer and prophet. Anyway, I'm glad to be on the planet and actively participating in the struggle dealing with the moral issue affecting the spirit of our times... G&P, The struggle continues, Dawn We love the Creator/Source because the Source/Creator first loved us.1 John 4:19 _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
Here's RUMI on the subject of falling: The way of love is not a subtle argument The door there is devastation. Birds make great sky circles of their freedom. How do they learn it? They fall, and falling they are given wings. --Rumi On Saturday, April 21, 2018, 2:51:40 PM PDT, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Well, that was just a movie. But here's another story, and this one is true: I saw a video that was shot in the lobby of one of the Twin Towers on 9/11. You could hear the SOUND of people hitting the sidewalk outside. I imagine that a moment of grace was what gave people the freedom to jump and soar for a moment to their certain deaths, knowing that they could no longer live on this earth, but trusting that they were finally going home. Marshall On Saturday, April 21, 2018, 9:52:55 AM PDT, W. J. via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: I recall JWM saying (and I can hear the emphasis in his voice now) that our job was "to love God ... and to FEAR him". "'Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear..." suggests that being "scared shitless" can be a moment of grace. Like Butch and Sundance jumping off the cliff when they're pursued by the posse and there's no other way to go! After Sundance says "But I can't swim!" and Butch says "The fall will probably kill you!" "Who ARE those guys?" Well folks, we're being chased by the Mystery. Marshall On Saturday, April 21, 2018, 7:43:27 AM PDT, James Wiegel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: About 5 am yesterday, and is often the case with me, a song was going through my head, in this case, Amazing Grace. I had googled the book The Shaking of the Foundations, on Thursday and discovered that Tillich's You Are Accepted was included as a chapter. Back to the bike ride: the lyrics of Amazing Grace were wandering through my head . . . And the line came "Twas grace that taught my heart to fear". and I wondered what that line was pointing to . . . Jim Wiegel401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277jfwiegel@yahoo.comwww.partnersinparticipation.com Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung On Apr 21, 2018, at 00:37, Isobel and Jim Bishop via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Dear Dawn, Thank you for your bravery in writing this, I am enjoying the conversation.! Keep on keeping on, as the saying goes…. with love from Isobel. xx Isobel and Jim Bishop isobeljimbish@optusnet.com.au On 21/04/2018, at 4:59 PM, Dawn Collins via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Hi, Mary! Try this on by way of an explanation: The Creator/Source sometimes uses the most unlikely of choices (to us) to impact wayward souls who have no thought of believing in a Source/Creator and devote their lives to temporal, materialistic things. Take the apostles for instance, what a motley crew! From lowly fishermen with one a despised tax collector, (seen as lackeys of the Roman occupation); they weren't exactly the creme de la creme of society. In the Old Testament, the Source/Creator used enemies of the Hebrew nation to defeat them in warfare as a means to remind them to be faithful to their Covenant with the Creator/Source and not follow the ways of the temporal world where idol worship was the rule of the day. Serious stuff, eh? Reluctant prophets also bore the responsibility of reminding the Israelites of being obedient to putting the Source/Creator as their ultimate priority. Needless to say, they were not only unpopular but spoke their message even when in fear of their lives. I hope for a future where we are past the point in our history as a nation in the U.S.and around the world where our social prophets e.g., activists, young or mature, journalists, and religious leaders are rendered violently expendable to the more radical elements in our society. One of my big thoughts has been to compare the plight of Israel through its history to the timeline of my life as a human being. Questions I ask are: What can we learn from their history? Was and is it universal? What is the role of a Word Bearer In the community and the world? I often listen to music as meditation. Tracy Chapman's New Beginning album speaks to me of creating a heaven here on earth with a new beginning creating new symbols, new signs, and, a new language.I think she's a social pioneer and prophet. Anyway, I'm glad to be on the planet and actively participating in the struggle dealing with the moral issue affecting the spirit of our times... G&P, The struggle continues, Dawn We love the Creator/Source because the Source/Creator first loved us.1 John 4:19 _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
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