When I read John Epps’ remarks titled “Thanks for the Memories,” a small echo rang in my head. I recalled he had thanked colleagues before in a talk he gave sometime in the late 1970s. Scouring the archives database, Karen found what I was looking for. John was assigned to deliver a talk on “The Life of Destiny” at a Guardians meeting. I was present for the talk and in re-reading it now, a couple of things struck me. John, surprise-surprise, had a 4 X 4 outline. He did a marvelous thing with the first three points. Instead of describing his own theological insights (which as we all recall, were numerous if not a little mysterious), he pointed back to the talks and reports given by others up to that point in the weekend meeting. That way, he reinforced and celebrated the contributions of his colleagues. I have often utilized that technique ever since. Here is the pivotal pearl of his talk (slightly abridged for clarity): The other thing we need to know and be aware of as we give the gift of destiny to people for the sake of their profound humanness is that it means also giving up your death, in the sense that death is no longer - once one is a person of destiny - it is no longer an option to at least be let alone to die peacefully. Even death becomes a sign. Even that becomes a tool, a vehicle, a device that history uses for the sake of its creative movement. That is what we are doing to folks. The impact of this remark is accented when one realizes that right before John came on stage to deliver his talk on the Life of Destiny, institute founder and dean Joe Mathews had completed his life that noon, Sunday, October 16, 1977. Well, John nailed it, didn’t he? And all I can say is, John, you have fulfilled your destinal gift as well, brother; we’ll never forget the sign you have been to us. Jim Troxel
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On Jun 9, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
When I read John Epps’ remarks titled “Thanks for the Memories,” a small echo rang in my head. I recalled he had thanked colleagues before in a talk he gave sometime in the late 1970s. Scouring the archives database, Karen found what I was looking for.
John was assigned to deliver a talk on “The Life of Destiny” at a Guardians meeting. I was present for the talk and in re-reading it now, a couple of things struck me. John, surprise-surprise, had a 4 X 4 outline. He did a marvelous thing with the first three points. Instead of describing his own theological insights (which as we all recall, were numerous if not a little mysterious), he pointed back to the talks and reports given by others up to that point in the weekend meeting. That way, he reinforced and celebrated the contributions of his colleagues. I have often utilized that technique ever since.
Here is the pivotal pearl of his talk (slightly abridged for clarity): The other thing we need to know and be aware of as we give the gift of destiny to people for the sake of their profound humanness is that it means also giving up your death, in the sense that death is no longer - once one is a person of destiny - it is no longer an option to at least be let alone to die peacefully. Even death becomes a sign. Even that becomes a tool, a vehicle, a device that history uses for the sake of its creative movement. That is what we are doing to folks.
The impact of this remark is accented when one realizes that right before John came on stage to deliver his talk on the Life of Destiny, institute founder and dean Joe Mathews had completed his life that noon, Sunday, October 16, 1977.
Well, John nailed it, didn’t he? And all I can say is, John, you have fulfilled your destinal gift as well, brother; we’ll never forget the sign you have been to us.
Jim Troxel
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Thank you brother John and brother Jim. Jan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: When I read John Epps’ remarks titled “Thanks for the Memories,” a small echo rang in my head. I recalled he had thanked colleagues before in a talk he gave sometime in the late 1970s. Scouring the archives database, Karen found what I was looking for. John was assigned to deliver a talk on “The Life of Destiny” at a Guardians meeting. I was present for the talk and in re-reading it now, a couple of things struck me. John, surprise-surprise, had a 4 X 4 outline. He did a marvelous thing with the first three points. Instead of describing his own theological insights (which as we all recall, were numerous if not a little mysterious), he pointed back to the talks and reports given by others up to that point in the weekend meeting. That way, he reinforced and celebrated the contributions of his colleagues. I have often utilized that technique ever since. Here is the pivotal pearl of his talk (slightly abridged for clarity): The other thing we need to know and be aware of as we give the gift of destiny to people for the sake of their profound humanness is that it means also giving up your death, in the sense that death is no longer - once one is a person of destiny - it is no longer an option to at least be let alone to die peacefully. Even death becomes a sign. Even that becomes a tool, a vehicle, a device that history uses for the sake of its creative movement. That is what we are doing to folks. The impact of this remark is accented when one realizes that right before John came on stage to deliver his talk on the Life of Destiny, institute founder and dean Joe Mathews had completed his life that noon, Sunday, October 16, 1977. Well, John nailed it, didn’t he? And all I can say is, John, you have fulfilled your destinal gift as well, brother; we’ll never forget the sign you have been to us. Jim Troxel _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.wedge...
Thanks for the Memory | | | | | | | | | | | Thanks for the Memory | | | LyricsThanks for the memory Of sentimental verse Nothing in my purse And chuckles When the preacher said For better or for worse How lovely it wasThanks for the memory Of Schubert's Serenade Little things of jade And traffic jams And anagrams And bills we never paid How lovely it wasWe who could laugh over big things Were parted by only a slight thing I wonder if we did the right thing Oh, well, that's life, I guess I love your dressThanks for the memory Of faults that you forgave Of rainbows on a wave And stockings in the basin When a fellow needs a shave Thank you so muchThanks for the memory Of tinkling temple bells Alma mater yells And Cuban rum And towels from The very best hotels Oh how lovely it wasThanks for the memory Of cushions on the floor Hash with Dinty Moore That pair of gay pajamas That you bought And never woreWe said goodbye with a highball Then I got as high as a steeple But we were intelligent people No tears, no fuss Hooray for usStrictly entre nous Darling, how are you? And how are all Those little dreams That never did come true?Awfully glad I met you Cheerio and toodle-oo Thank you Thank you so muchSource: LyricFind | | | | LyricFind | Home LyricFind is the world’s leader in licensed lyrics with licensing from over 4,000 music publishers, including al... | | | Songwriters: Leo Robin / Ralph RaingerThanks for the Memory lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC Jim Wiegel “That which consumes me is not man, nor the earth, nor the heavens, but the flame which consumes man, earth, and sky." Nikos Kazantzakis 401 North Beverly Way,Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 02:57:19 PM MST, Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: When I read John Epps’ remarks titled “Thanks for the Memories,” a small echo rang in my head. I recalled he had thanked colleagues before in a talk he gave sometime in the late 1970s. Scouring the archives database, Karen found what I was looking for. John was assigned to deliver a talk on “The Life of Destiny” at a Guardians meeting. I was present for the talk and in re-reading it now, a couple of things struck me. John, surprise-surprise, had a 4 X 4 outline. He did a marvelous thing with the first three points. Instead of describing his own theological insights (which as we all recall, were numerous if not a little mysterious), he pointed back to the talks and reports given by others up to that point in the weekend meeting. That way, he reinforced and celebrated the contributions of his colleagues. I have often utilized that technique ever since. Here is the pivotal pearl of his talk (slightly abridged for clarity):The other thing we need to know and be aware of as we give the gift of destiny to people for the sake of their profound humanness is that it means also giving up your death, in the sense that death is no longer - once one is a person of destiny - it is no longer an option to at least be let alone to die peacefully. Even death becomes a sign. Even that becomes a tool, a vehicle, a device that history uses for the sake of its creative movement. That is what we are doing to folks. The impact of this remark is accented when one realizes that right before John came on stage to deliver his talk on the Life of Destiny, institute founder and dean Joe Mathews had completed his life that noon, Sunday, October 16, 1977. Well, John nailed it, didn’t he? And all I can say is, John, you have fulfilled your destinal gift as well, brother; we’ll never forget the sign you have been to us. Jim Troxel _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
Thanks for the lyrics, Jim, a perfect poem for me as John transitions to the next phase of his journey. With gratitude, Ann On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 9:06 PM James Wiegel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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Lyrics Thanks for the memory Of sentimental verse Nothing in my purse And chuckles When the preacher said For better or for worse How lovely it was Thanks for the memory Of Schubert's Serenade Little things of jade And traffic jams And anagrams And bills we never paid How lovely it was We who could laugh over big things Were parted by only a slight thing I wonder if we did the right thing Oh, well, that's life, I guess I love your dress Thanks for the memory Of faults that you forgave Of rainbows on a wave And stockings in the basin When a fellow needs a shave Thank you so much Thanks for the memory Of tinkling temple bells Alma mater yells And Cuban rum And towels from The very best hotels Oh how lovely it was Thanks for the memory Of cushions on the floor Hash with Dinty Moore That pair of gay pajamas That you bought And never wore We said goodbye with a highball Then I got as high as a steeple But we were intelligent people No tears, no fuss Hooray for us Strictly entre nous Darling, how are you? And how are all Those little dreams That never did come true? Awfully glad I met you Cheerio and toodle-oo Thank you Thank you so much Source: LyricFind <https://www.lyricfind.com/>
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On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 02:57:19 PM MST, Karen Snyder via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
When I read John Epps’ remarks titled “Thanks for the Memories,” a small echo rang in my head. I recalled he had thanked colleagues before in a talk he gave sometime in the late 1970s. Scouring the archives database, Karen found what I was looking for.
John was assigned to deliver a talk on “The Life of Destiny” at a Guardians meeting. I was present for the talk and in re-reading it now, a couple of things struck me. John, surprise-surprise, had a 4 X 4 outline. He did a marvelous thing with the first three points. Instead of describing his own theological insights (which as we all recall, were numerous if not a little mysterious), he pointed back to the talks and reports given by others up to that point in the weekend meeting. That way, he reinforced and celebrated the contributions of his colleagues. I have often utilized that technique ever since.
Here is the pivotal pearl of his talk (slightly abridged for clarity): *The other thing we need to know and be aware of as we give the gift of destiny to people for the sake of their profound humanness is that it means also giving up your death, in the sense that death is no longer - once one is a person of destiny - it is no longer an option to at least be let alone to die peacefully. Even death becomes a sign. Even that becomes a tool, a vehicle, a device that history uses for the sake of its creative movement. That is what we are doing to folks.*
The impact of this remark is accented when one realizes that right before John came on stage to deliver his talk on the Life of Destiny, institute founder and dean Joe Mathews had completed his life that noon, Sunday, October 16, 1977.
Well, John nailed it, didn’t he? And all I can say is, John, you have fulfilled your destinal gift as well, brother; we’ll never forget the sign you have been to us.
Jim Troxel _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
Thanks, Jim and Karen I had forgotten the content of that talk, but remember vividly giving it. If you have it please forward me a copy. I don't have it.How did your surgery go,? You've been in our thoughts and prayers. Take care,JohnSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: 6/9/20 16:38 (GMT-07:00) To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> Subject: [Oe List ...] Thanks for the Memories When I read John Epps’ remarks titled “Thanks for the Memories,” a small echo rang in my head. I recalled he had thanked colleagues before in a talk he gave sometime in the late 1970s. Scouring the archives database, Karen found what I was looking for. John was assigned to deliver a talk on “The Life of Destiny” at a Guardians meeting. I was present for the talk and in re-reading it now, a couple of things struck me. John, surprise-surprise, had a 4 X 4 outline. He did a marvelous thing with the first three points. Instead of describing his own theological insights (which as we all recall, were numerous if not a little mysterious), he pointed back to the talks and reports given by others up to that point in the weekend meeting. That way, he reinforced and celebrated the contributions of his colleagues. I have often utilized that technique ever since. Here is the pivotal pearl of his talk (slightly abridged for clarity):The other thing we need to know and be aware of as we give the gift of destiny to people for the sake of their profound humanness is that it means also giving up your death, in the sense that death is no longer - once one is a person of destiny - it is no longer an option to at least be let alone to die peacefully. Even death becomes a sign. Even that becomes a tool, a vehicle, a device that history uses for the sake of its creative movement. That is what we are doing to folks. The impact of this remark is accented when one realizes that right before John came on stage to deliver his talk on the Life of Destiny, institute founder and dean Joe Mathews had completed his life that noon, Sunday, October 16, 1977. Well, John nailed it, didn’t he? And all I can say is, John, you have fulfilled your destinal gift as well, brother; we’ll never forget the sign you have been to us.Jim Troxel
Dear John and our OE colleagues, Regarding Karen’s last posting. Yes, and the more profound courage and power of that address was that John, and others of us serving that year on the Global Panchayat, knew JWM had “returned to his maker at high noon”, as Bishop Jim, who was with us at that very moment, pronounced. Knowing Joe was close to his end, we had the traditional OE “Completed Life” posters ready to put at the elevator landings at noon, and then decided to recall them, until after the Guardians meeting. What a burden John, and all who knew JWM had passed, were bearing, but how graciously John prepared Those Who Care for “the life of destiny.” Once the Guardians had departed, Joe’s body was laid in state on the 4th floor and viewed by our community, and was taken to the crematorium (a trip which I recall John and I were assigned to accompany.) Upon return, the Panchayat began calling Religious Houses across the globe, announcing Joe’s death and sharing the plans for the Celebration of Joe's Completed Life, to occur, which it did, about a week later. John, do you remember it this way? Hugs, my colleague, Marilyn
On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:14 PM, jlepps39 via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Thanks, Jim and Karen
I had forgotten the content of that talk, but remember vividly giving it. If you have it please forward me a copy. I don't have it.
How did your surgery go,? You've been in our thoughts and prayers.
Take care,
John
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-------- Original message -------- From: Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: 6/9/20 16:38 (GMT-07:00) To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> Subject: [Oe List ...] Thanks for the Memories
When I read John Epps’ remarks titled “Thanks for the Memories,” a small echo rang in my head. I recalled he had thanked colleagues before in a talk he gave sometime in the late 1970s. Scouring the archives database, Karen found what I was looking for.
John was assigned to deliver a talk on “The Life of Destiny” at a Guardians meeting. I was present for the talk and in re-reading it now, a couple of things struck me. John, surprise-surprise, had a 4 X 4 outline. He did a marvelous thing with the first three points. Instead of describing his own theological insights (which as we all recall, were numerous if not a little mysterious), he pointed back to the talks and reports given by others up to that point in the weekend meeting. That way, he reinforced and celebrated the contributions of his colleagues. I have often utilized that technique ever since.
Here is the pivotal pearl of his talk (slightly abridged for clarity): The other thing we need to know and be aware of as we give the gift of destiny to people for the sake of their profound humanness is that it means also giving up your death, in the sense that death is no longer - once one is a person of destiny - it is no longer an option to at least be let alone to die peacefully. Even death becomes a sign. Even that becomes a tool, a vehicle, a device that history uses for the sake of its creative movement. That is what we are doing to folks.
The impact of this remark is accented when one realizes that right before John came on stage to deliver his talk on the Life of Destiny, institute founder and dean Joe Mathews had completed his life that noon, Sunday, October 16, 1977.
Well, John nailed it, didn’t he? And all I can say is, John, you have fulfilled your destinal gift as well, brother; we’ll never forget the sign you have been to us.
Jim Troxel
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I remember it well, Marilyn. Thanks for rehearsing the details, some of which I had forgotten. Collegially,JohnSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Mari Crocker <maricrocker@gmail.com> Date: 6/10/20 16:49 (GMT-07:00) To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: jlepps39@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Thanks for the Memories Dear John and our OE colleagues,Regarding Karen’s last posting.Yes, and the more profound courage and power of that address was that John, and others of us serving that year on the Global Panchayat, knew JWM had “returned to his maker at high noon”, as Bishop Jim, who was with us at that very moment, pronounced. Knowing Joe was close to his end, we had the traditional OE “Completed Life” posters ready to put at the elevator landings at noon, and then decided to recall them, until after the Guardians meeting. What a burden John, and all who knew JWM had passed, were bearing, but how graciously John prepared Those Who Care for “the life of destiny.” Once the Guardians had departed, Joe’s body was laid in state on the 4th floor and viewed by our community, and was taken to the crematorium (a trip which I recall John and I were assigned to accompany.) Upon return, the Panchayat began calling Religious Houses across the globe, announcing Joe’s death and sharing the plans for the Celebration of Joe's Completed Life, to occur, which it did, about a week later.John, do you remember it this way?Hugs, my colleague, MarilynOn Jun 10, 2020, at 4:14 PM, jlepps39 via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:Thanks, Jim and Karen I had forgotten the content of that talk, but remember vividly giving it. If you have it please forward me a copy. I don't have it.How did your surgery go,? You've been in our thoughts and prayers. Take care,JohnSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device-------- Original message --------From: Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: 6/9/20 16:38 (GMT-07:00) To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> Subject: [Oe List ...] Thanks for the Memories When I read John Epps’ remarks titled “Thanks for the Memories,” a small echo rang in my head. I recalled he had thanked colleagues before in a talk he gave sometime in the late 1970s. Scouring the archives database, Karen found what I was looking for. John was assigned to deliver a talk on “The Life of Destiny” at a Guardians meeting. I was present for the talk and in re-reading it now, a couple of things struck me. John, surprise-surprise, had a 4 X 4 outline. He did a marvelous thing with the first three points. Instead of describing his own theological insights (which as we all recall, were numerous if not a little mysterious), he pointed back to the talks and reports given by others up to that point in the weekend meeting. That way, he reinforced and celebrated the contributions of his colleagues. I have often utilized that technique ever since. Here is the pivotal pearl of his talk (slightly abridged for clarity):The other thing we need to know and be aware of as we give the gift of destiny to people for the sake of their profound humanness is that it means also giving up your death, in the sense that death is no longer - once one is a person of destiny - it is no longer an option to at least be let alone to die peacefully. Even death becomes a sign. Even that becomes a tool, a vehicle, a device that history uses for the sake of its creative movement. That is what we are doing to folks. The impact of this remark is accented when one realizes that right before John came on stage to deliver his talk on the Life of Destiny, institute founder and dean Joe Mathews had completed his life that noon, Sunday, October 16, 1977. Well, John nailed it, didn’t he? And all I can say is, John, you have fulfilled your destinal gift as well, brother; we’ll never forget the sign you have been to us.Jim Troxel_______________________________________________OE mailing listOE@lists.wedgeblade.nethttp://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
Marilyn, the only 'correction' I would offer to your story is that we did not wait until all the guardians were gone to put the signs in the elevators. I was assigned to the kitchen at that time and many of the guardians, seeing the signs up on their way out simply turned around and went back to their rooms (kitchen and housing were connected at that time) and came down to ask what they could do. We set up a special "in-kind" team that went to work on Monday morning. We had about 300 in the building at that time. We added 50-60 for Sunday evening dinner and grew to 1000 by the time of the funeral. I count it one of my greater life accomplishments that within 15 minutes of the end of the service, we served 1000 people in 20 identical food lines in what was then the guild hall on the first floor and not one person had missed the service to be in the kitchen. I believe it was Thursday or Friday of that same week. The family had been served all its meals from the kitchen on the sixth floor (thank to Pat Tuecke) and because we had people arriving continuously from everywhere, we kept an open buffet going in the first floor kitchen until the morning of the funeral. As I recall, it was Jim Bell who took over the buffet (and the kitchen cleaning assignments) and kept it going 24/7. We were over our 90 day payment limits with all of our suppliers from some poor planning over that summer and yet their sales people all show up with their trunks full of food on Monday morning. On 2020-06-10 18:25, jlepps39 via OE wrote:
I remember it well, Marilyn. Thanks for rehearsing the details, some of which I had forgotten. Collegially, John
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-------- Original message -------- From: Mari Crocker <maricrocker@gmail.com> Date: 6/10/20 16:49 (GMT-07:00) To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: jlepps39@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Thanks for the Memories
Dear John and our OE colleagues, Regarding Karen's last posting.
Yes, and the more profound courage and power of that address was that John, and others of us serving that year on the Global Panchayat, knew JWM had "returned to his maker at high noon", as Bishop Jim, who was with us at that very moment, pronounced. Knowing Joe was close to his end, we had the traditional OE "Completed Life" posters ready to put at the elevator landings at noon, and then decided to recall them, until after the Guardians meeting. What a burden John, and all who knew JWM had passed, were bearing, but how graciously John prepared Those Who Care for "the life of destiny." Once the Guardians had departed, Joe's body was laid in state on the 4th floor and viewed by our community, and was taken to the crematorium (a trip which I recall John and I were assigned to accompany.) Upon return, the Panchayat began calling Religious Houses across the globe, announcing Joe's death and sharing the plans for the Celebration of Joe's Completed Life, to occur, which it did, about a week later.
John, do you remember it this way?
Hugs, my colleague, Marilyn
On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:14 PM, jlepps39 via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Thanks, Jim and Karen
I had forgotten the content of that talk, but remember vividly giving it. If you have it please forward me a copy. I don't have it.
How did your surgery go,? You've been in our thoughts and prayers.
Take care,
John
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: 6/9/20 16:38 (GMT-07:00) To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> Subject: [Oe List ...] Thanks for the Memories
When I read John Epps' remarks titled "Thanks for the Memories," a small echo rang in my head. I recalled he had thanked colleagues before in a talk he gave sometime in the late 1970s. Scouring the archives database, Karen found what I was looking for.
John was assigned to deliver a talk on "The Life of Destiny" at a Guardians meeting. I was present for the talk and in re-reading it now, a couple of things struck me. John, surprise-surprise, had a 4 X 4 outline. He did a marvelous thing with the first three points. Instead of describing his own theological insights (which as we all recall, were numerous if not a little mysterious), he pointed back to the talks and reports given by others up to that point in the weekend meeting. That way, he reinforced and celebrated the contributions of his colleagues. I have often utilized that technique ever since.
Here is the pivotal pearl of his talk (slightly abridged for clarity): _The other thing we need to know and be aware of as we give the gift of destiny to people for the sake of their profound humanness is that it means also giving up your death, in the sense that death is no longer - once one is a person of destiny - it is no longer an option to at least be let alone to die peacefully. Even death becomes a sign. Even that becomes a tool, a vehicle, a device that history uses for the sake of its creative movement. That is what we are doing to folks._
The impact of this remark is accented when one realizes that right before John came on stage to deliver his talk on the Life of Destiny, institute founder and dean Joe Mathews had completed his life that noon, Sunday, October 16, 1977.
Well, John nailed it, didn't he? And all I can say is, John, you have fulfilled your destinal gift as well, brother; we'll never forget the sign you have been to us.
Jim Troxel _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
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On Jun 11, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Margaret Helen Aiseayew via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Marilyn, the only 'correction' I would offer to your story is that we did not wait until all the guardians were gone to put the signs in the elevators.
I was assigned to the kitchen at that time and many of the guardians, seeing the signs up on their way out simply turned around and went back to their rooms (kitchen and housing were connected at that time) and came down to ask what they could do. We set up a special "in-kind" team that went to work on Monday morning. We had about 300 in the building at that time. We added 50-60 for Sunday evening dinner and grew to 1000 by the time of the funeral. I count it one of my greater life accomplishments that within 15 minutes of the end of the service, we served 1000 people in 20 identical food lines in what was then the guild hall on the first floor and not one person had missed the service to be in the kitchen. I believe it was Thursday or Friday of that same week. The family had been served all its meals from the kitchen on the sixth floor (thank to Pat Tuecke) and because we had people arriving continuously from everywhere, we kept an open buffet going in the first floor kitchen until the morning of the funeral. As I recall, it was Jim Bell who took over the buffet (and the kitchen cleaning assignments) and kept it going 24/7. We were over our 90 day payment limits with all of our suppliers from some poor planning over that summer and yet their sales people all show up with their trunks full of food on Monday morning.
On 2020-06-10 18:25, jlepps39 via OE wrote:
I remember it well, Marilyn. Thanks for rehearsing the details, some of which I had forgotten. Collegially, John
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message -------- From: Mari Crocker <maricrocker@gmail.com> Date: 6/10/20 16:49 (GMT-07:00) To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: jlepps39@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Thanks for the Memories
Dear John and our OE colleagues,
Regarding Karen's last posting.
Yes, and the more profound courage and power of that address was that John, and others of us serving that year on the Global Panchayat, knew JWM had "returned to his maker at high noon", as Bishop Jim, who was with us at that very moment, pronounced. Knowing Joe was close to his end, we had the traditional OE "Completed Life" posters ready to put at the elevator landings at noon, and then decided to recall them, until after the Guardians meeting. What a burden John, and all who knew JWM had passed, were bearing, but how graciously John prepared Those Who Care for "the life of destiny." Once the Guardians had departed, Joe's body was laid in state on the 4th floor and viewed by our community, and was taken to the crematorium (a trip which I recall John and I were assigned to accompany.) Upon return, the Panchayat began calling Religious Houses across the globe, announcing Joe's death and sharing the plans for the Celebration of Joe's Completed Life, to occur, which it did, about a week later.
John, do you remember it this way?
Hugs, my colleague, Marilyn
On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:14 PM, jlepps39 via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Thanks, Jim and Karen
I had forgotten the content of that talk, but remember vividly giving it. If you have it please forward me a copy. I don't have it.
How did your surgery go,? You've been in our thoughts and prayers.
Take care,
John
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-------- Original message -------- From: Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: 6/9/20 16:38 (GMT-07:00) To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> Subject: [Oe List ...] Thanks for the Memories
When I read John Epps' remarks titled "Thanks for the Memories," a small echo rang in my head. I recalled he had thanked colleagues before in a talk he gave sometime in the late 1970s. Scouring the archives database, Karen found what I was looking for.
John was assigned to deliver a talk on "The Life of Destiny" at a Guardians meeting. I was present for the talk and in re-reading it now, a couple of things struck me. John, surprise-surprise, had a 4 X 4 outline. He did a marvelous thing with the first three points. Instead of describing his own theological insights (which as we all recall, were numerous if not a little mysterious), he pointed back to the talks and reports given by others up to that point in the weekend meeting. That way, he reinforced and celebrated the contributions of his colleagues. I have often utilized that technique ever since.
Here is the pivotal pearl of his talk (slightly abridged for clarity): The other thing we need to know and be aware of as we give the gift of destiny to people for the sake of their profound humanness is that it means also giving up your death, in the sense that death is no longer - once one is a person of destiny - it is no longer an option to at least be let alone to die peacefully. Even death becomes a sign. Even that becomes a tool, a vehicle, a device that history uses for the sake of its creative movement. That is what we are doing to folks.
The impact of this remark is accented when one realizes that right before John came on stage to deliver his talk on the Life of Destiny, institute founder and dean Joe Mathews had completed his life that noon, Sunday, October 16, 1977.
Well, John nailed it, didn't he? And all I can say is, John, you have fulfilled your destinal gift as well, brother; we'll never forget the sign you have been to us.
Jim Troxel
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WOWEE! JPC & LLC From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Reply-To: OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: Monday, June 15, 2020 at 12:10 PM To: OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: E Howie <rhowie3@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Thanks for the Memories My oh my, the wonder of it all! 💕 Ellen Howie Sent from my iPad On Jun 11, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Margaret Helen Aiseayew via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Marilyn, the only 'correction' I would offer to your story is that we did not wait until all the guardians were gone to put the signs in the elevators. I was assigned to the kitchen at that time and many of the guardians, seeing the signs up on their way out simply turned around and went back to their rooms (kitchen and housing were connected at that time) and came down to ask what they could do. We set up a special "in-kind" team that went to work on Monday morning. We had about 300 in the building at that time. We added 50-60 for Sunday evening dinner and grew to 1000 by the time of the funeral. I count it one of my greater life accomplishments that within 15 minutes of the end of the service, we served 1000 people in 20 identical food lines in what was then the guild hall on the first floor and not one person had missed the service to be in the kitchen. I believe it was Thursday or Friday of that same week. The family had been served all its meals from the kitchen on the sixth floor (thank to Pat Tuecke) and because we had people arriving continuously from everywhere, we kept an open buffet going in the first floor kitchen until the morning of the funeral. As I recall, it was Jim Bell who took over the buffet (and the kitchen cleaning assignments) and kept it going 24/7. We were over our 90 day payment limits with all of our suppliers from some poor planning over that summer and yet their sales people all show up with their trunks full of food on Monday morning. On 2020-06-10 18:25, jlepps39 via OE wrote: I remember it well, Marilyn. Thanks for rehearsing the details, some of which I had forgotten. Collegially, John Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Mari Crocker <maricrocker@gmail.com> Date: 6/10/20 16:49 (GMT-07:00) To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: jlepps39@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Thanks for the Memories Dear John and our OE colleagues, Regarding Karen's last posting. Yes, and the more profound courage and power of that address was that John, and others of us serving that year on the Global Panchayat, knew JWM had "returned to his maker at high noon", as Bishop Jim, who was with us at that very moment, pronounced. Knowing Joe was close to his end, we had the traditional OE "Completed Life" posters ready to put at the elevator landings at noon, and then decided to recall them, until after the Guardians meeting. What a burden John, and all who knew JWM had passed, were bearing, but how graciously John prepared Those Who Care for "the life of destiny." Once the Guardians had departed, Joe's body was laid in state on the 4th floor and viewed by our community, and was taken to the crematorium (a trip which I recall John and I were assigned to accompany.) Upon return, the Panchayat began calling Religious Houses across the globe, announcing Joe's death and sharing the plans for the Celebration of Joe's Completed Life, to occur, which it did, about a week later. John, do you remember it this way? Hugs, my colleague, Marilyn On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:14 PM, jlepps39 via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Thanks, Jim and Karen I had forgotten the content of that talk, but remember vividly giving it. If you have it please forward me a copy. I don't have it. How did your surgery go,? You've been in our thoughts and prayers. Take care, John Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Date: 6/9/20 16:38 (GMT-07:00) To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Cc: Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com<mailto:karen.snyder10@gmail.com>> Subject: [Oe List ...] Thanks for the Memories When I read John Epps' remarks titled "Thanks for the Memories," a small echo rang in my head. I recalled he had thanked colleagues before in a talk he gave sometime in the late 1970s. Scouring the archives database, Karen found what I was looking for. John was assigned to deliver a talk on "The Life of Destiny" at a Guardians meeting. I was present for the talk and in re-reading it now, a couple of things struck me. John, surprise-surprise, had a 4 X 4 outline. He did a marvelous thing with the first three points. Instead of describing his own theological insights (which as we all recall, were numerous if not a little mysterious), he pointed back to the talks and reports given by others up to that point in the weekend meeting. That way, he reinforced and celebrated the contributions of his colleagues. I have often utilized that technique ever since. Here is the pivotal pearl of his talk (slightly abridged for clarity): The other thing we need to know and be aware of as we give the gift of destiny to people for the sake of their profound humanness is that it means also giving up your death, in the sense that death is no longer - once one is a person of destiny - it is no longer an option to at least be let alone to die peacefully. Even death becomes a sign. Even that becomes a tool, a vehicle, a device that history uses for the sake of its creative movement. That is what we are doing to folks. The impact of this remark is accented when one realizes that right before John came on stage to deliver his talk on the Life of Destiny, institute founder and dean Joe Mathews had completed his life that noon, Sunday, October 16, 1977. Well, John nailed it, didn't he? And all I can say is, John, you have fulfilled your destinal gift as well, brother; we'll never forget the sign you have been to us. Jim Troxel _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
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