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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Being Black in the Order Ecumenical (McCabe, Diann A)
  2. Re: Being Black in the Order Ecumenical (W. J.)


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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:02:24 -0500
From: "McCabe, Diann A" <dm14@txstate.edu>
To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>
Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical
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I think it's not easy (esp by email) to convey the mystery of the memory of certain individuals and the way they moved into  and through our lives. I know when this thread began, I felt a tug of concern for naming names but then felt a rush of gratitude to say and write names and read others' stories. So, here's to remembering the way some people gave of their lives for a short or long time, and for the renewal that happened in the process, or didn't. Diann

From: Herman Greene <hfgreene@mindspring.com<mailto:hfgreene@mindspring.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical

Not for me. These names evoke multiple levels of awareness and consciousness for me. They are sacred.

Herman

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From: oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> [mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Mary Hampton
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Being Black in the Order Ecumenical

So Far, we have hit the objective level (naming Black Order Colleagues) with some 1 person reflections or reminincing about an individual our two.  Naming "women"  or "children" of the Order feels like a different animal, ballgame, kettle of fish.  Lists won't convey much to me.


Although I do remember enjoying saying Yes to the question:  Did you grow up in the Order?  My fuller answer was "Yes, but I was 20 when I joined."


Grace, Peace, LIGHT,


mary


On Jun 4, 2012, at 6:08 PM, LAURELCG@aol.com<mailto:LAURELCG@aol.com> wrote:
Thank you, Marilyn. I was horrified this morning to find myself thinking, "What about a discussion on being a woman in the Order? A child?

It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.

Love and blessings,
Jann

In a message dated 6/4/2012 3:57:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, h-wainwright@charter.net<mailto:h-wainwright@charter.net> writes:
Marilyn Crocker thank you for putting into words my Uneasiness.  Blessing for you and Joe.  Harry

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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:05:15 -0700 (PDT)
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I was surprised that the question about what it was like to be black in the O:E
really was not addressed by black colleagues. Instead it became a conversation
in which white people TALKED about black people, remembering their names and
unique contributions.
We didn't really articulate how critical black order members were/are to bailing
us all out of our unconscious cultural reductionisms. I write, of course, as one
of the "pinkies" who showed up in 5th City after the 1968 riots. It was
absolutely essential that black colleagues in the community and in the Order
gave their permission for us crazy white people to stay in 5th City. They
claimed us as colleagues, they put up with us, they protected us, and they
confronted us with our unconscious embodiment of white male privilege and
racism. They grounded us in the experience of suffering in the community and
joined with us in working to transcend the internalized racist stereotypes we
were all struggling with. I suspect people of color in the Order had an often
unacknowledged burden to bear in dealing with white male dominance.
It wasn't just that people of color were just as totally on top of everything as
the white male leadership was (in other words, comfortable operating with the
rational gifts of the white Ur). More importantly, coming from another profound
experience of humanness, these colleagues often surprised us in their freedom
from being stuck in "white man's consciousness", so to speak.
I'm trying to get beyond being yet another white person talking about black
people. Several years ago I had the privilege of working with Lela Mosley, Ruth
Carter, and Verdell Trice in getting the 5th City film released on DVD. Lela was
at the end of her days, in and out of the hospital, and on oxygen, but she could
sometimes talk with me on the phone. We were going over a list of deceased 5th
Citizens whose contributions would be honored on the DVD. I would say, "What
about So-and-so? Is she dead yet?" And Lela would say, "No, she's still
kicking!" We would laugh. And it was kind of funny, you know, just to be
standing in the Awe of all those people who had decided to give their lives in
that geography. Not that they were black or white, economically advantaged or
not. OR: In the Order. Or not. You get that? No difference (despite the
difference). I tell you we will be highly privileged to join that company of 5th
City Pioneers some day.
Joe Mathews said that what he was most proud of was being a 5th Citizen. Not of
being the Dean of this crummy outfit called the Order. But (I would say) of
standing his ground and being his "be" with the profound humanness we discovered
and celebrated in 5th City. And if I can have just a tiny taste of that in my
privileged white man's life, and if I was able to add just the smallest bit to
the 'miracles' that we all participated in creating together, I think that would
be enough for me.
Marshall Jones
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