Jack,

Thanks for this. Like Weigel said, this really articulates where I get rubbed raw by all the social media/online activity. And it makes me glad that I’m not living in the US and so don’t have to deal with people actually saying this stuff out loud to me. At least on Facebook, I can just keep scrolling by. . . Not really the most effective response, but I’m feeling tired.

   Terran E. Longacre
   Monrovia, Liberia
 
   just another child of God Blog: http://tlongacre.wordpress.com
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On 25 Aug, 2015, at 20:45 , Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

This paper is an interesting read and gives an insight to what our thinking was way back in 1976! This talk was not given by JWM. My guess would be Gene Marshall, it has his style to it.

It made me think that if I was giving such a talk today those would not be my points. It is not that they don’t, or didn’t, have a validity, but it is not how I experience the heresy today, if you want to call it that.

My four columns would be: 

1. Righteous Demonization. My Facebook gets a lot of these. “If there weren’t all these selfish and stupid people causing all these problems we’d get the job done!”

2. Focus on Issues, not Contradictions This shows up with a disregard for the systemic nature of life.

3. Winning the argument is more important than solving the problem. Highly located in academia, but a disease possessed by many.

4. Wisdom does lie in the people who live the situations that need to change. Call it “Expertise-ism”.

These are just four quick ones off the top of my head. But they seem to be more in line with what I encounter than the old ones. There are also points in the ignorance of the role of spirit, symbol, etc. in the change process. 

Peace,

Jack



On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Frank Knutson via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Enclosed: THE LIBERAL HERESY  \
I think it was given by John Epps or maybe Gene Marshall????
<THE LIBERAL HERESY.docx>


"What appears to be a breaking down of civilization 
may well be simply the breaking up of old forms by life itself."
 
    ~ 
Joyce Carol Oates
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 Frank       

On Aug 25, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Rod Rippel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Fascists and dictators (and now just about everyone) have long understood that
deviant behavior is encouraged by the fact that the media give it coverage.
For example it used to be, "Don't write about suicide" because the mere
mention of suicide might inspire someone to commit suicide in the next few days.
Now we are flooded with all kinds of deviant inspiration.  We live in a time of
internet, Facebook, Twitter and adultery matchup-services.
Like the phrase sometimes used in the RS-1 'Freedom Lecture,'  "All Is Known,"
literally!  The inundation of 'information' has either swamped us with stress and
physical reaction or prompted a new level of defensive withdrawal from engaging.
Scriptural wisdom and "Deciding" goes by the board!
-----Original Message----- From: steve har via OE
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 6:06 AM
To: oe@lists.wedgeblade.net ; Order Ecumenical ICA-USA
Subject: [Oe List ...] Breakfast News Conversations...

Also called scripture/news conversations

You remember them right?
random bits of recalled news and then a piece of scriptural wisdom
what to do about it?

These days news like trying to "drink from a fire hose"
My experience now living in the USfA now rather than Costa Rica and
listening to USA media is curious.

Feels to me like a case of news culture ADHD where nothing is
connected to anything except by more and more crisis news events, more
passionate & positional thinking more economic political and cultural
and more and more "news journalists" driving to their bank on the
stream of news.

My friend Jack Gilles, if I quote him right, says ORID conversations
no longer have a "D" now because it it is all interpretation, everyone
has an opinion, everyone is a spectator stuck in the stands watching
an unplayable game.

Now in conversations  is no "D" in ORID, no one knows how to Decide or what Do.
"D" stands for Dumpster or "Don't decide" or "Despair" or just "Done".

Joe Mathews had a paper, I believe,  which he  called the liberal
heresy - aybe it was the conservative heresy or the reactionary
heresy.
He used some fancy theological terminology like "the  immediacy of the
eschaton" which I never did understand,exactly.
Anyone remember this paper?

Wondering where IS the scripture part, the wisdom part of the
breakfast news conversation?

The Christian Science Monitor says THEY are doing two things...As days
and weeks pass, the media move on to new stories, often neglecting to
tell the “what’s possible?” stories about how the people and
communities affected by these tragedies are coping and what they’re
learning. We hear these types of stories on one-year anniversaries,
but they’re not an ongoing part of the media’s coverage the way that
the “what happened?” stories are. A growing body of research is
confirming what many have long suspected — that a steady diet of
trauma and disaster triggers stress, fear and trauma in those
consuming the stories.

What if the news media covered stories of recovery and resilience as
much as they cover stories about devastation and despair?
http://ivoh.org/restorativenarrative/


Steve



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