Thanks for this dialogue…just one comment on the method : Using the term “vs.” connotes “either-or”; and assume a degree of duality of separate ideas…a perfectly valid approach to dialogue. We can also use “both-and”. Think of a venn diagram with, for example, Power in one circle and Energy in the other…and then add the area of overlap to the discussion. The some additional questions arise: What is the energy of power? and; Where is the power of energy?
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Jann,
This may be just a word game with little practical worth. But it is reflective and at least mildly expansive of the imagination. John Cock and I have been having a running conversation on "power vs. energy." I keep saying, among other differences, that power is bestowed from outside (title, position, money) and energy is invoked from within (inspired, inspiritus, of the spirit.) Had not thought of drawing a distinction between power and force.
On the antithesis of compassion, I've been thinking more on what John Epps said about everyone cares. I know that's true, but maybe it is also true that we priortize our care and from time to time we may care more about self than we care about the other, in which case the opposite could be egocentricity. Using Merton's insight about compassion as the awareness of interdependence, maybe to not be aware of interdependence is what we meant when we talked about the contradiction of individualistic overemphasis. So maybe the opposite of compassion is individualism. I'm even thinking that caring for that which does not ultimate deserve care is a form of idolatry, so maybe the opposite of compassion is idolatry.
As you may sense, all these are more questions than statements of any kind of certainty.
Randy
"Whatever the problem, community is the answer. There is no power greater than a community discovering what it cares about." Margaret Wheatley
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I've been contemplating what it means to live in Oneness, in the UNI-verse, especially since reading Power vs. Force David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D. He says there is no opposite of Love. There is Love and the absence of Love. So care-less-ness, obliviousness, unconsciousness, numbness, ignorance are all manifestations of the absence of compassion. In a way, it's a word game, but I find it helpful. Hope you do.
Blessings,
Jann
In a message dated 12/30/2012 9:31:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, geowanda@earthlink.net writes:
On Dec 30, 2012, at 11:09 AM, R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com> wrote:
John,
Of course you are correct about care. Ever since I saw Thomas Merton's quote, "Compassion is the keen awareness of the interdependence of all living things," I've tried to articulate for myself what would be the opposite of compassion as arrogance is of humility and greed is of gratitude. I've thought of obliviousness, unconsciousness, numbness, ignorance? My using care-less-ness was really a take off on what John McKnight describes in his book The Careless Society. None of these completely does it for me, so give me some help here. What would be the opposite, or antithesis, of compassion? Would appreciate your insight. Anyone else care to jump in on this?
Randy
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