There was some question that connected the two parts — a question to ground the quote in current everyday experience. I remember two anecdotes about these conversations. One was from Peoria in 1973-4 where Wayne’s and my clock radio would wake us to a program called “Waste Not Want Not”, an environmental program. So we had lots of environmental news over breakfast that year! The other story is from Bayad, where Abuna Mateus, the local Coptic Priest usually joined us for breakfast. Josip Tito from Yugoslavia was ill, and Abuna, who heard the Arabic news on the radio but had limited English would always have the news event “Tito has a stomachache.” Take care, Jo -- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jo.r.nelson@gmail.com> 647 233 6910 "Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 11:53 AM James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
In the early days (67-72??), we did scripture conversations as a community over breakfast paired with news conversations. Later on (76 ff??), there were quote conversations from those little dark red covered journals that the research people provided also paired with news conversations. I think, during the Kamweleni human development training schools (79-83??) we had 7 quotes which we cycled through each week.
Can you all help me to recall the questions which were used??
Son Shanker's church is going through the book of Proverbs in July (31 chapters / 31 days) and we are going through the week's chapters on Thursdays after dinner.
This is what I recall SCRIPTURE / QUOTE Read the verse/quote outloud. Maybe read it a second time? What are the key words? What words might we substitute for those words? So, How might you say this quote / verse in your own words? -------then I get lost
NEWS What are 1 or 2 news events of the last day or so? Which one should we talk about? --------- then I get lost
I do remember, in Kamweleni, we had a battery operated radio and Sam Were and some of the other faculty would sit out in the sun in the morning and listen to the Voice of Kenya . . .
Jim Wiegel
“We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ Stephen Hawking
On Jul 7, 2025, at 6:26 AM, Judy Lindblad via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Amen and I am sorting family and Town Meeting archives as 250 dawns. Hoping to add some to the ICA archives from Schenectady +…..Blessings and happy memories, Judy L
On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 9:37 PM Ellie Stock via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
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Hi Folks,
July 4, 2025, yes, celebrating the birth of a nation and the principles of democracy but also a time to reflect and expand our vision as a nation to celebrate and live into a Declaration of Interdependence.
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And don't forget about the spirit conversations about social anger. They were either in 1968 or 1970, and had a profound effect on me, as a young person. I don't recall the questions but they might be relevant today. Ronnie On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 7:47 PM James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Thanks. So, comprehensive news coverage has been challenging for a while
Jim Wiegel
“…the long work of turning their lives into a celebration is not easy. Come and let us talk“.
The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver
On Jul 13, 2025, at 11:14 AM, Jo Nelson <jo.r.nelson@gmail.com> wrote:
There was some question that connected the two parts — a question to ground the quote in current everyday experience.
I remember two anecdotes about these conversations. One was from Peoria in 1973-4 where Wayne’s and my clock radio would wake us to a program called “Waste Not Want Not”, an environmental program. So we had lots of environmental news over breakfast that year!
The other story is from Bayad, where Abuna Mateus, the local Coptic Priest usually joined us for breakfast. Josip Tito from Yugoslavia was ill, and Abuna, who heard the Arabic news on the radio but had limited English would always have the news event “Tito has a stomachache.”
Take care, Jo
-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jo.r.nelson@gmail.com> 647 233 6910
"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead
On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 11:53 AM James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
In the early days (67-72??), we did scripture conversations as a community over breakfast paired with news conversations. Later on (76 ff??), there were quote conversations from those little dark red covered journals that the research people provided also paired with news conversations. I think, during the Kamweleni human development training schools (79-83??) we had 7 quotes which we cycled through each week.
Can you all help me to recall the questions which were used??
Son Shanker's church is going through the book of Proverbs in July (31 chapters / 31 days) and we are going through the week's chapters on Thursdays after dinner.
This is what I recall SCRIPTURE / QUOTE Read the verse/quote outloud. Maybe read it a second time? What are the key words? What words might we substitute for those words? So, How might you say this quote / verse in your own words? -------then I get lost
NEWS What are 1 or 2 news events of the last day or so? Which one should we talk about? --------- then I get lost
I do remember, in Kamweleni, we had a battery operated radio and Sam Were and some of the other faculty would sit out in the sun in the morning and listen to the Voice of Kenya . . .
Jim Wiegel
“We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ Stephen Hawking
On Jul 7, 2025, at 6:26 AM, Judy Lindblad via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Amen and I am sorting family and Town Meeting archives as 250 dawns. Hoping to add some to the ICA archives from Schenectady +…..Blessings and happy memories, Judy L
On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 9:37 PM Ellie Stock via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
1. <https://davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence/>
Hi Folks,
July 4, 2025, yes, celebrating the birth of a nation and the principles of democracy but also a time to reflect and expand our vision as a nation to celebrate and live into a Declaration of Interdependence.
Ellie elliestock@aol.com [image: Emoji][image: Emoji][image: Emoji]
<1751592084062blob.jpg>
Declaration of Interdependence - David Suzuki Foundation <https://davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence/>
davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence
The Declaration of Interdependence expresses our values as an organization. It was written for the 1992 UN Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, where portions of our declaration were woven into the work of others around the world to form the Earth Charter. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
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Spirit conversations on social anger are highly relevant today: polarization, demonization of immigrants and people of color, anger about the economy and state of the world, climate change and impending crisis, anger from youth about the world they’ve been left with and not enough done to mitigate due to powerful interests. My son says a lot of people his age carry anger and sorrow, sorrow that millions or even billions could be left behind or die due to ecological collapse, economic chaos and collapse of democratic systems, starting with the most vulnerable. As authoritarianism increasingly becomes a dominant mode; it blocks civic engagement and thus blocks local and regional participation to create new responses and solutions. Our study of Choosing Earth could be a future venue, among other avenues, to engage youth along with cross generational conversations for discussion and engagement to create a future for all: as we must never loose hope, never give in to despair or apathy. Toward creating a future for all of life,Debra Harris WatsonHouston Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, July 14, 2025, 1:33 AM, Ronnie Seagren via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: And don't forget about the spirit conversations about social anger. They were either in 1968 or 1970, and had a profound effect on me, as a young person.I don't recall the questions but they might be relevant today. Ronnie On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 7:47 PM James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Thanks. So, comprehensive news coverage has been challenging for a while Jim Wiegel “…the long work of turning their lives into a celebration is not easy. Come and let us talk“. The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver On Jul 13, 2025, at 11:14 AM, Jo Nelson <jo.r.nelson@gmail.com> wrote: There was some question that connected the two parts — a question to ground the quote in current everyday experience. I remember two anecdotes about these conversations. One was from Peoria in 1973-4 where Wayne’s and my clock radio would wake us to a program called “Waste Not Want Not”, an environmental program. So we had lots of environmental news over breakfast that year! The other story is from Bayad, where Abuna Mateus, the local Coptic Priest usually joined us for breakfast. Josip Tito from Yugoslavia was ill, and Abuna, who heard the Arabic news on the radio but had limited English would always have the news event “Tito has a stomachache.” Take care,Jo -- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jo.r.nelson@gmail.com> 647 233 6910 "Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 11:53 AM James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: In the early days (67-72??), we did scripture conversations as a community over breakfast paired with news conversations. Later on (76 ff??), there were quote conversations from those little dark red covered journals that the research people provided also paired with news conversations. I think, during the Kamweleni human development training schools (79-83??) we had 7 quotes which we cycled through each week. Can you all help me to recall the questions which were used?? Son Shanker's church is going through the book of Proverbs in July (31 chapters / 31 days) and we are going through the week's chapters on Thursdays after dinner. This is what I recallSCRIPTURE / QUOTERead the verse/quote outloud. Maybe read it a second time?What are the key words? What words might we substitute for those words?So, How might you say this quote / verse in your own words?-------then I get lost NEWSWhat are 1 or 2 news events of the last day or so?Which one should we talk about? --------- then I get lost I do remember, in Kamweleni, we had a battery operated radio and Sam Were and some of the other faculty would sit out in the sun in the morning and listen to the Voice of Kenya . . . Jim Wiegel “We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ Stephen Hawking On Jul 7, 2025, at 6:26 AM, Judy Lindblad via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Amen and I am sorting family and Town Meeting archives as 250 dawns. Hoping to add some to the ICA archives from Schenectady +…..Blessings and happy memories, Judy L On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 9:37 PM Ellie Stock via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: - Hi Folks, July 4, 2025, yes, celebrating the birth of a nation and the principles of democracy but also a time to reflect and expand our vision as a nation to celebrate and live into a Declaration of Interdependence. Ellieelliestock@aol.com <1751592084062blob.jpg> Declaration of Interdependence - David Suzuki Foundation davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence The Declaration of Interdependence expresses our values as an organization. It was written for the 1992 UN Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, where portions of our declaration were woven into the work of others around the world to form the Earth Charter. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
I hear from my sons what Debra hears. Thus I am very interested in what happens in the Oklahoma Human Community effort Bill Parker is a part of. The first meeting toward an Oklahoma Statewide Congress went very well last Saturday. Sunny Walker and I have a weekly zoom with Bill in support of that effort. All 3 of us would welcome others. The end run around tribalism and the resultant zero sum game of who wins and who loses, is engaging everyone in conversation where all feel heard and are called to care for all. IMHO of course. Peace Don Bushman 828-292-9696 On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 8:03 AM Debra Harris via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Spirit conversations on social anger are highly relevant today: polarization, demonization of immigrants and people of color, anger about the economy and state of the world, climate change and impending crisis, anger from youth about the world they’ve been left with and not enough done to mitigate due to powerful interests.
My son says a lot of people his age carry anger and sorrow, sorrow that millions or even billions could be left behind or die due to ecological collapse, economic chaos and collapse of democratic systems, starting with the most vulnerable. As authoritarianism increasingly becomes a dominant mode; it blocks civic engagement and thus blocks local and regional participation to create new responses and solutions.
Our study of Choosing Earth could be a future venue, among other avenues, to engage youth along with cross generational conversations for discussion and engagement to create a future for all: as we must never loose hope, never give in to despair or apathy.
Toward creating a future for all of life, Debra Harris Watson Houston
On Monday, July 14, 2025, 1:33 AM, Ronnie Seagren via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
And don't forget about the spirit conversations about social anger. They were either in 1968 or 1970, and had a profound effect on me, as a young person. I don't recall the questions but they might be relevant today.
Ronnie
On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 7:47 PM James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Thanks. So, comprehensive news coverage has been challenging for a while
Jim Wiegel
“…the long work of turning their lives into a celebration is not easy. Come and let us talk“.
The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver
On Jul 13, 2025, at 11:14 AM, Jo Nelson <jo.r.nelson@gmail.com> wrote:
There was some question that connected the two parts — a question to ground the quote in current everyday experience.
I remember two anecdotes about these conversations. One was from Peoria in 1973-4 where Wayne’s and my clock radio would wake us to a program called “Waste Not Want Not”, an environmental program. So we had lots of environmental news over breakfast that year!
The other story is from Bayad, where Abuna Mateus, the local Coptic Priest usually joined us for breakfast. Josip Tito from Yugoslavia was ill, and Abuna, who heard the Arabic news on the radio but had limited English would always have the news event “Tito has a stomachache.”
Take care, Jo
-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jo.r.nelson@gmail.com> 647 233 6910
"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead
On Sun, Jul 13, 2025 at 11:53 AM James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
In the early days (67-72??), we did scripture conversations as a community over breakfast paired with news conversations. Later on (76 ff??), there were quote conversations from those little dark red covered journals that the research people provided also paired with news conversations. I think, during the Kamweleni human development training schools (79-83??) we had 7 quotes which we cycled through each week.
Can you all help me to recall the questions which were used??
Son Shanker's church is going through the book of Proverbs in July (31 chapters / 31 days) and we are going through the week's chapters on Thursdays after dinner.
This is what I recall SCRIPTURE / QUOTE Read the verse/quote outloud. Maybe read it a second time? What are the key words? What words might we substitute for those words? So, How might you say this quote / verse in your own words? -------then I get lost
NEWS What are 1 or 2 news events of the last day or so? Which one should we talk about? --------- then I get lost
I do remember, in Kamweleni, we had a battery operated radio and Sam Were and some of the other faculty would sit out in the sun in the morning and listen to the Voice of Kenya . . .
Jim Wiegel
“We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ Stephen Hawking
On Jul 7, 2025, at 6:26 AM, Judy Lindblad via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Amen and I am sorting family and Town Meeting archives as 250 dawns. Hoping to add some to the ICA archives from Schenectady +…..Blessings and happy memories, Judy L
On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 9:37 PM Ellie Stock via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
1. <https://davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence/>
Hi Folks,
July 4, 2025, yes, celebrating the birth of a nation and the principles of democracy but also a time to reflect and expand our vision as a nation to celebrate and live into a Declaration of Interdependence.
Ellie elliestock@aol.com [image: Emoji][image: Emoji][image: Emoji]
<1751592084062blob.jpg>
Declaration of Interdependence - David Suzuki Foundation <https://davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence/>
davidsuzuki.org/about/declaration-of-interdependence
The Declaration of Interdependence expresses our values as an organization. It was written for the 1992 UN Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, where portions of our declaration were woven into the work of others around the world to form the Earth Charter. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
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