In the December Archive sojourn, we read excerpts from Hesse’s Journey to the East which I paraphrase here: It was our destiny to join in a great experience; we were all permitted to be a participant in a unique journey. What wonder it had …. Four giant men who participated with us on the unique journey - the crimson line - have left us within a month: Joe Crocker (April 27), Bud Ames (May 4), Nelson Stover (May 4) and Bill Grow (May 14). See memorials created to celebrate their lives here: https://icaglobalarchives.org/memorials/ (Bill’s is yet to come). For those of you who may not be as familiar with the Ames family, Bud and his wife, Jan, were Guardians who gave ground support to 5th City and the EI/ICA for some thirty years they lived in Oak Park/Chicago. While Jan taught in the 5th City Preschool and directed Training Inc. in DuPage County, Bud was the permeator of the family. However, while the Human Development Project consults were happening, Dr. Ames, in his quiet gracious manner would attend the consults as a veterinarian and work with the Agriculture Teams and introduce them to animal husbandry methods. He turned his daily running into supporting passions he had to address poverty and hunger by raising thousands of dollars for Heifer International. For these four giants, we are singing, "When Iron Men go marching in”. Peace, Karen Snyder Troxel
On May 15, 2023, at 1:27 PM, Herman Greene via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
With heavy heart I have just learned of the deaths of these three great souls.
The fruits of their labor will flourish and grow.
Herman
On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:16 PM Ruth Gilbert via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
Ellen,
Ken and I had a conversation about all three of these men at our breakfast table this morning. Ellen, I appreciated that you gathered their names together, named their blessing to us and allowed us to sing with you, and for them.
These events remind us once again, that we have but one life to live, and one life to give. These men are demonstrations of the choices they made and the gifts they offered during their lifetimes. We who remain living, are called by them to make choices and offer the gifts that we have. Ruth
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We celebrate the completed lives of three giants who passed on to glory in the last week: Joe Crocker, Nelson Stover and Bill Grow. What a blessing they have all been to our lives with their wisdom, patience and spirit. I'm singing "For All The Saints" in my heart. Ellen Rebstock _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
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There have been four tremors in the Force, but the Force is ever with us. On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 2:23 PM Karen Snyder via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
In the December Archive sojourn, we read excerpts from Hesse’s *Journey to the East* which I paraphrase here: It was our destiny to join in a great experience; we were all permitted to be a participant in a unique journey. What wonder it had …. Four giant men who participated with us on the unique journey - the crimson line - have left us within a month: Joe Crocker (April 27), Bud Ames (May 4), Nelson Stover (May 4) and Bill Grow (May 14). See memorials created to celebrate their lives here: https://icaglobalarchives.org/memorials/ (Bill’s is yet to come).
For those of you who may not be as familiar with the Ames family, Bud and his wife, Jan, were Guardians who gave ground support to 5th City and the EI/ICA for some thirty years they lived in Oak Park/Chicago. While Jan taught in the 5th City Preschool and directed Training Inc. in DuPage County, Bud was the permeator of the family. However, while the Human Development Project consults were happening, Dr. Ames, in his quiet gracious manner would attend the consults as a veterinarian and work with the Agriculture Teams and introduce them to animal husbandry methods. He turned his daily running into supporting passions he had to address poverty and hunger by raising thousands of dollars for Heifer International.
For these four giants, we are singing, "When Iron Men go marching in”.
Peace,
Karen Snyder Troxel
On May 15, 2023, at 1:27 PM, Herman Greene via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
With heavy heart I have just learned of the deaths of these three great souls.
The fruits of their labor will flourish and grow.
Herman
On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:16 PM Ruth Gilbert via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Ellen,
Ken and I had a conversation about all three of these men at our breakfast table this morning. Ellen, I appreciated that you gathered their names together, named their blessing to us and allowed us to sing with you, and for them.
These events remind us once again, that we have but one life to live, and one life to give. These men are demonstrations of the choices they made and the gifts they offered during their lifetimes. We who remain living, are called by them to make choices and offer the gifts that we have. Ruth
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We celebrate the completed lives of three giants who passed on to glory in the last week: Joe Crocker, Nelson Stover and Bill Grow. What a blessing they have all been to our lives with their wisdom, patience and spirit. I'm singing "For All The Saints" in my heart. Ellen Rebstock _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
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Thanks, Karen. Actually Bud passed Friday, April 28th. Sorry for any confusion. JanSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Karen Snyder via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: 5/15/23 1:23 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "oe@lists" <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>, ICA Dialogue <Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com>, Herman Greene <hfgreenenc@gmail.com> Subject: [Dialogue] Four Giant Men In the December Archive sojourn, we read excerpts from Hesse’s Journey to the East which I paraphrase here: It was our destiny to join in a great experience; we were all permitted to be a participant in a unique journey. What wonder it had …. Four giant men who participated with us on the unique journey - the crimson line - have left us within a month: Joe Crocker (April 27), Bud Ames (May 4), Nelson Stover (May 4) and Bill Grow (May 14). See memorials created to celebrate their lives here: https://icaglobalarchives.org/memorials/ (Bill’s is yet to come). For those of you who may not be as familiar with the Ames family, Bud and his wife, Jan, were Guardians who gave ground support to 5th City and the EI/ICA for some thirty years they lived in Oak Park/Chicago. While Jan taught in the 5th City Preschool and directed Training Inc. in DuPage County, Bud was the permeator of the family. However, while the Human Development Project consults were happening, Dr. Ames, in his quiet gracious manner would attend the consults as a veterinarian and work with the Agriculture Teams and introduce them to animal husbandry methods. He turned his daily running into supporting passions he had to address poverty and hunger by raising thousands of dollars for Heifer International. For these four giants, we are singing, "When Iron Men go marching in”. Peace,Karen Snyder TroxelOn May 15, 2023, at 1:27 PM, Herman Greene via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:With heavy heart I have just learned of the deaths of these three great souls. The fruits of their labor will flourish and grow.HermanOn Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:16 PM Ruth Gilbert via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:Ellen,Ken and I had a conversation about all three of these men at our breakfast table this morning. Ellen, I appreciated that you gathered their names together, named their blessing to us and allowed us to sing with you, and for them. These events remind us once again, that we have but one life to live, and one life to give. These men are demonstrations of the choices they made and the gifts they offered during their lifetimes. We who remain living, are called by them to make choices and offer the gifts that we have. Ruth On May 15, 2023, at 10:20 AM, David Rebstock via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:We celebrate the completed lives of three giants who passed on to glory in the last week: Joe Crocker, Nelson Stover and Bill Grow. What a blessing they have all been to our lives with their wisdom, patience and spirit. I'm singing "For All The Saints" in my heart. Ellen Rebstock _______________________________________________OE mailing listOE@lists.wedgeblade.nethttp://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net__________________... OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________OE mailing listOE@lists.wedgeblade.nethttp://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
From Chief Tecumseh (1768-1813): So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life.Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people.Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend,even a stranger, when in a lonely place.Trouble no one about their religion.Show respect to all people and grovel to none.When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living.Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.Sing your death song and die like a hero going home. On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 01:23:29 PM PDT, Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: In the December Archive sojourn, we read excerpts from Hesse’s Journey to the East which I paraphrase here: It was our destiny to join in a great experience; we were all permitted to be a participant in a unique journey. What wonder it had …. Four giant men who participated with us on the unique journey - the crimson line - have left us within a month: Joe Crocker (April 27), Bud Ames (May 4), Nelson Stover (May 4) and Bill Grow (May 14). See memorials created to celebrate their lives here: https://icaglobalarchives.org/memorials/ (Bill’s is yet to come). For those of you who may not be as familiar with the Ames family, Bud and his wife, Jan, were Guardians who gave ground support to 5th City and the EI/ICA for some thirty years they lived in Oak Park/Chicago. While Jan taught in the 5th City Preschool and directed Training Inc. in DuPage County, Bud was the permeator of the family. However, while the Human Development Project consults were happening, Dr. Ames, in his quiet gracious manner would attend the consults as a veterinarian and work with the Agriculture Teams and introduce them to animal husbandry methods. He turned his daily running into supporting passions he had to address poverty and hunger by raising thousands of dollars for Heifer International. For these four giants, we are singing, "When Iron Men go marching in”. Peace, Karen Snyder Troxel On May 15, 2023, at 1:27 PM, Herman Greene via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: With heavy heart I have just learned of the deaths of these three great souls. The fruits of their labor will flourish and grow. Herman On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:16 PM Ruth Gilbert via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Ellen, Ken and I had a conversation about all three of these men at our breakfast table this morning. Ellen, I appreciated that you gathered their names together, named their blessing to us and allowed us to sing with you, and for them. These events remind us once again, that we have but one life to live, and one life to give. These men are demonstrations of the choices they made and the gifts they offered during their lifetimes. We who remain living, are called by them to make choices and offer the gifts that we have. Ruth On May 15, 2023, at 10:20 AM, David Rebstock via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: We celebrate the completed lives of three giants who passed on to glory in the last week: Joe Crocker, Nelson Stover and Bill Grow. What a blessing they have all been to our lives with their wisdom, patience and spirit. I'm singing "For All The Saints" in my heart. Ellen Rebstock_______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
Umm, I get the sentiment, but Elaine, Marilyn and Nan – at least – do and did not just ‘stand along’…. Bill Schlesinger (He/Him) Project Vida 3607 Rivera Avenue El Paso, TX 79905 Office: (915) 465-1191 x 207 Cell: (915) 490-6148 FAX: (915) 503-1014 From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of RICHARD HOWIE via Dialogue Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 4:52 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: RICHARD HOWIE <rhowie3@verizon.net>; ICA Dialogue <Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Four Giant Men For all the saints, in gratitude and love, Four giant men with wives who stood along, Let us all sing, joining our voices, Alleluia….Alleluia! Grace and Peace. Ellen Howie Sent from my iPad On May 15, 2023, at 7:26 PM, W. J. via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:
From Chief Tecumseh (1768-1813):
So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Trouble no one about their religion. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home. On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 01:23:29 PM PDT, Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: In the December Archive sojourn, we read excerpts from Hesse’s Journey to the East which I paraphrase here: It was our destiny to join in a great experience; we were all permitted to be a participant in a unique journey. What wonder it had …. Four giant men who participated with us on the unique journey - the crimson line - have left us within a month: Joe Crocker (April 27), Bud Ames (May 4), Nelson Stover (May 4) and Bill Grow (May 14). See memorials created to celebrate their lives here: https://icaglobalarchives.org/memorials/ <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://icaglobalarchives.org/memorials/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1684839163000000&usg=AOvVaw3sgBzcm5JV1DyRmZsz3aPa> (Bill’s is yet to come). For those of you who may not be as familiar with the Ames family, Bud and his wife, Jan, were Guardians who gave ground support to 5th City and the EI/ICA for some thirty years they lived in Oak Park/Chicago. While Jan taught in the 5th City Preschool and directed Training Inc. in DuPage County, Bud was the permeator of the family. However, while the Human Development Project consults were happening, Dr. Ames, in his quiet gracious manner would attend the consults as a veterinarian and work with the Agriculture Teams and introduce them to animal husbandry methods. He turned his daily running into supporting passions he had to address poverty and hunger by raising thousands of dollars for Heifer International. For these four giants, we are singing, "When Iron Men go marching in”. Peace, Karen Snyder Troxel On May 15, 2023, at 1:27 PM, Herman Greene via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: With heavy heart I have just learned of the deaths of these three great souls. The fruits of their labor will flourish and grow. Herman On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:16 PM Ruth Gilbert via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: Ellen, Ken and I had a conversation about all three of these men at our breakfast table this morning. Ellen, I appreciated that you gathered their names together, named their blessing to us and allowed us to sing with you, and for them. These events remind us once again, that we have but one life to live, and one life to give. These men are demonstrations of the choices they made and the gifts they offered during their lifetimes. We who remain living, are called by them to make choices and offer the gifts that we have. Ruth On May 15, 2023, at 10:20 AM, David Rebstock via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: We celebrate the completed lives of three giants who passed on to glory in the last week: Joe Crocker, Nelson Stover and Bill Grow. What a blessing they have all been to our lives with their wisdom, patience and spirit. I'm singing "For All The Saints" in my heart. 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FWIW – the individual solitary life is absolutely worth acknowledging as both happening (We celebrate your being here in history) and completing (perfected/telos). The individual exists in a web of relationships that are themselves real and functional – and not simply defined as ‘supportive’ of that individual. We can recognize the solitary without turning the relationships into derivatives. Bill Schlesinger From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 8:22 AM To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: w.schlesinger@pvida.net Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Four Giant Men- and 2 questions Sentiments such as Bill expressed have come up before . . . What about the couple . . . So, one question — were we on to something with this notion of missional marriage or missional family?? If so, what? Another question — What might be better langauage to express that relation, like in an obituary or . . .? Jim Wiegel “We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ Stephen Hawking On May 16, 2023, at 6:56 AM, Bill Schlesinger via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: Umm, I get the sentiment, but Elaine, Marilyn and Nan – at least – do and did not just ‘stand along’…. Bill Schlesinger (He/Him) Project Vida 3607 Rivera Avenue El Paso, TX 79905 Office: (915) 465-1191 x 207 Cell: (915) 490-6148 FAX: (915) 503-1014 From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> > On Behalf Of RICHARD HOWIE via Dialogue Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 4:52 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > Cc: RICHARD HOWIE <rhowie3@verizon.net <mailto:rhowie3@verizon.net> >; ICA Dialogue <Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Four Giant Men For all the saints, in gratitude and love, Four giant men with wives who stood along, Let us all sing, joining our voices, Alleluia….Alleluia! Grace and Peace. Ellen Howie Sent from my iPad On May 15, 2023, at 7:26 PM, W. J. via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:
From Chief Tecumseh (1768-1813):
So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Trouble no one about their religion. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home. On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 01:23:29 PM PDT, Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: In the December Archive sojourn, we read excerpts from Hesse’s Journey to the East which I paraphrase here: It was our destiny to join in a great experience; we were all permitted to be a participant in a unique journey. What wonder it had …. Four giant men who participated with us on the unique journey - the crimson line - have left us within a month: Joe Crocker (April 27), Bud Ames (May 4), Nelson Stover (May 4) and Bill Grow (May 14). See memorials created to celebrate their lives here: https://icaglobalarchives.org/memorials/ <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://icaglobalarchives.org/memorials/%26source%3Dgmail-imap%26ust%3D1684839163000000%26usg%3DAOvVaw3sgBzcm5JV1DyRmZsz3aPa&source=gmail-imap&ust=1684851738000000&usg=AOvVaw2mN9kfkLgec9o796WJkpML> (Bill’s is yet to come). For those of you who may not be as familiar with the Ames family, Bud and his wife, Jan, were Guardians who gave ground support to 5th City and the EI/ICA for some thirty years they lived in Oak Park/Chicago. While Jan taught in the 5th City Preschool and directed Training Inc. in DuPage County, Bud was the permeator of the family. However, while the Human Development Project consults were happening, Dr. Ames, in his quiet gracious manner would attend the consults as a veterinarian and work with the Agriculture Teams and introduce them to animal husbandry methods. He turned his daily running into supporting passions he had to address poverty and hunger by raising thousands of dollars for Heifer International. For these four giants, we are singing, "When Iron Men go marching in”. Peace, Karen Snyder Troxel On May 15, 2023, at 1:27 PM, Herman Greene via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: With heavy heart I have just learned of the deaths of these three great souls. The fruits of their labor will flourish and grow. Herman On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:16 PM Ruth Gilbert via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: Ellen, Ken and I had a conversation about all three of these men at our breakfast table this morning. Ellen, I appreciated that you gathered their names together, named their blessing to us and allowed us to sing with you, and for them. These events remind us once again, that we have but one life to live, and one life to give. These men are demonstrations of the choices they made and the gifts they offered during their lifetimes. We who remain living, are called by them to make choices and offer the gifts that we have. Ruth On May 15, 2023, at 10:20 AM, David Rebstock via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: We celebrate the completed lives of three giants who passed on to glory in the last week: Joe Crocker, Nelson Stover and Bill Grow. What a blessing they have all been to our lives with their wisdom, patience and spirit. I'm singing "For All The Saints" in my heart. 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We are also saddened by the loss of Bill. Bill offered so much of himself to our order, the church and every community he was a part of. His look of intensity was as striking as was his beautiful smile. He and I (Louise) always had a connection to singing and great choral music. His commitment to the Yale Chorus into his later years was inspiring and I appreciated his sharing with me his exercises to keeping the singing voice young. When he and Nan moved from Colquitt to York, PA, they joined our house church group. As you might expect, they were integral to our existence as a group. We appreciated their studies, their witnesses, and their presence. I (Louise) worked most closely with Bill during the Millennium Connection 2000 conference. He was heading up the strand on Community Arts. It was a joy to meet and interview amazingly committed people to their communities, both locally and internationally. One highlight of the life and blessing of Bill Grow’s life was attending the performance of “Swamp Gravy” at the Kennedy Center. It truly was a transformative experience. Transforming hate, ignorance, and violence into singing, sharing, devotion and joy! Love and joy to all, Jack and Louise Ballard From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of James Wiegel via Dialogue Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 10:39 AM To: w.schlesinger@pvida.net Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com>; Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Four Giant Men- and 2 questions Well said, Bill. And neat that you snuck ‘telos’ in there. Most of us who can sneak in Greek to an email are already translated. Now if we can weave that understanding into a “formula” verse of For All the Saints . . . Jim Wiegel “We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ Stephen Hawking On May 16, 2023, at 8:34 AM, w.schlesinger@pvida.net <mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net> wrote: FWIW – the individual solitary life is absolutely worth acknowledging as both happening (We celebrate your being here in history) and completing (perfected/telos). The individual exists in a web of relationships that are themselves real and functional – and not simply defined as ‘supportive’ of that individual. We can recognize the solitary without turning the relationships into derivatives. Bill Schlesinger From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com <mailto:jfwiegel@yahoo.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 8:22 AM To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> > Cc: w.schlesinger@pvida.net <mailto:w.schlesinger@pvida.net> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Four Giant Men- and 2 questions Sentiments such as Bill expressed have come up before . . . What about the couple . . . So, one question — were we on to something with this notion of missional marriage or missional family?? If so, what? Another question — What might be better langauage to express that relation, like in an obituary or . . .? Jim Wiegel “We are all time travelers journeying into the future. But let us make that future a place we want to visit. “ Stephen Hawking On May 16, 2023, at 6:56 AM, Bill Schlesinger via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: Umm, I get the sentiment, but Elaine, Marilyn and Nan – at least – do and did not just ‘stand along’…. Bill Schlesinger (He/Him) Project Vida 3607 Rivera Avenue El Paso, TX 79905 Office: (915) 465-1191 x 207 Cell: (915) 490-6148 FAX: (915) 503-1014 From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> > On Behalf Of RICHARD HOWIE via Dialogue Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2023 4:52 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > Cc: RICHARD HOWIE <rhowie3@verizon.net <mailto:rhowie3@verizon.net> >; ICA Dialogue <Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Four Giant Men For all the saints, in gratitude and love, Four giant men with wives who stood along, Let us all sing, joining our voices, Alleluia….Alleluia! Grace and Peace. Ellen Howie Sent from my iPad On May 15, 2023, at 7:26 PM, W. J. via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote:
From Chief Tecumseh (1768-1813):
So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Trouble no one about their religion. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home. On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 01:23:29 PM PDT, Karen Snyder via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: In the December Archive sojourn, we read excerpts from Hesse’s Journey to the East which I paraphrase here: It was our destiny to join in a great experience; we were all permitted to be a participant in a unique journey. What wonder it had …. Four giant men who participated with us on the unique journey - the crimson line - have left us within a month: Joe Crocker (April 27), Bud Ames (May 4), Nelson Stover (May 4) and Bill Grow (May 14). See memorials created to celebrate their lives here: https://icaglobalarchives.org/memorials/ <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://icaglobalarchives.org/memorials/%26source%3Dgmail-imap%26ust%3D1684839163000000%26usg%3DAOvVaw3sgBzcm5JV1DyRmZsz3aPa&source=gmail-imap&ust=1684851738000000&usg=AOvVaw2mN9kfkLgec9o796WJkpML> (Bill’s is yet to come). For those of you who may not be as familiar with the Ames family, Bud and his wife, Jan, were Guardians who gave ground support to 5th City and the EI/ICA for some thirty years they lived in Oak Park/Chicago. While Jan taught in the 5th City Preschool and directed Training Inc. in DuPage County, Bud was the permeator of the family. However, while the Human Development Project consults were happening, Dr. Ames, in his quiet gracious manner would attend the consults as a veterinarian and work with the Agriculture Teams and introduce them to animal husbandry methods. He turned his daily running into supporting passions he had to address poverty and hunger by raising thousands of dollars for Heifer International. For these four giants, we are singing, "When Iron Men go marching in”. Peace, Karen Snyder Troxel On May 15, 2023, at 1:27 PM, Herman Greene via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: With heavy heart I have just learned of the deaths of these three great souls. The fruits of their labor will flourish and grow. Herman On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:16 PM Ruth Gilbert via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: Ellen, Ken and I had a conversation about all three of these men at our breakfast table this morning. Ellen, I appreciated that you gathered their names together, named their blessing to us and allowed us to sing with you, and for them. These events remind us once again, that we have but one life to live, and one life to give. These men are demonstrations of the choices they made and the gifts they offered during their lifetimes. We who remain living, are called by them to make choices and offer the gifts that we have. Ruth On May 15, 2023, at 10:20 AM, David Rebstock via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: We celebrate the completed lives of three giants who passed on to glory in the last week: Joe Crocker, Nelson Stover and Bill Grow. What a blessing they have all been to our lives with their wisdom, patience and spirit. I'm singing "For All The Saints" in my heart. 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