From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin". For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life. Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down. Ellie elliestock@aol.com
-----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's #yiv4270718136 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Dear A.M., Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers. A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory. What do you think? In solidarity, Rob................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of A.M. Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction? A.M. Noel On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: John and Colleagues, You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand. So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines. Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019 The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again: The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming. All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight. The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.” Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence. Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people. The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it. 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Beautifully, powerfully stated, Ellie. Thank you. So if we are on target with the vision and the contradiction, what are the strategic directions that would deal with the contradiction and move toward the vision? As you say, love/compassion, and an understanding of the interconnected nature of all reality and of the self. In Buddhism this would be called waking up to the realities of interdependence, impermanence and suffering, and vowing to relieve the suffering of all sentient beings. In Christianity it would be experiencing grace or reunion with self, others, and the ground of being, and dedicating your life to love the neighbor (all neighbors) as yourself. And in my view this must be done in an integral manner: changing individual mindsets and behaviors, and transforming collective cultures and systems. Other views? ................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/<https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/><https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ ________________________________ From: Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 7:53 PM To: dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: warkers@msn.com <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin". For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life. Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down. Ellie elliestock@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Dear A.M., Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers. A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory. What do you think? In solidarity, Rob ................................................................................................ 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Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction? A.M. Noel On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: John and Colleagues, You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand. So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines. Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019 The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again: The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming. All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight. The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.” Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence. Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people. The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it. 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I think that facilitating respectful communication in workplaces and communities to bring people together, to create a multifaceted worldview that they are part of rather than a divided us/them worldview also addresses the contradiction of separation. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:19:56 PM To: Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Beautifully, powerfully stated, Ellie. Thank you. So if we are on target with the vision and the contradiction, what are the strategic directions that would deal with the contradiction and move toward the vision? As you say, love/compassion, and an understanding of the interconnected nature of all reality and of the self. In Buddhism this would be called waking up to the realities of interdependence, impermanence and suffering, and vowing to relieve the suffering of all sentient beings. In Christianity it would be experiencing grace or reunion with self, others, and the ground of being, and dedicating your life to love the neighbor (all neighbors) as yourself. And in my view this must be done in an integral manner: changing individual mindsets and behaviors, and transforming collective cultures and systems. Other views? ................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/<https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/><https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ ________________________________ From: Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 7:53 PM To: dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: warkers@msn.com <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin". For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life. Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down. Ellie elliestock@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Dear A.M., Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers. A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory. What do you think? In solidarity, Rob ................................................................................................ 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Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction? A.M. Noel On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: John and Colleagues, You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand. So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines. Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019 The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again: The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming. All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight. The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.” Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence. Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people. The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it. 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Yes, Jo! So much is needed now. Everyone has a piece to give. Where ever you are, you are at the center of the world and your actions ripple outward to the whole. This is not a time to give in to tiredness or despair. This is the time to give it all you've got where ever you are, whatever your resources or relationships. And as Jack Gilles reminded us, the roles and actions of elders are unique and powerful. I for one have recently shifted from consulting and teaching to writing, climate/justice activism and grandparenting. What about you? What are you doing these days to save the world, person by person, community by community, organization by organization, network by network? ................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/<https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/><https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ ________________________________ From: Jo Nelson <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:35 PM To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com>; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's I think that facilitating respectful communication in workplaces and communities to bring people together, to create a multifaceted worldview that they are part of rather than a divided us/them worldview also addresses the contradiction of separation. Get Outlook for iOS<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fo0ukef&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57053d4a9905411f890a08d72ce1ea50%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637027221117130657&sdata=vk08cVXwotSx%2FhirCQhOntwy%2FzkOtnBTT8IQLBI3NpI%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:19:56 PM To: Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Beautifully, powerfully stated, Ellie. Thank you. So if we are on target with the vision and the contradiction, what are the strategic directions that would deal with the contradiction and move toward the vision? As you say, love/compassion, and an understanding of the interconnected nature of all reality and of the self. In Buddhism this would be called waking up to the realities of interdependence, impermanence and suffering, and vowing to relieve the suffering of all sentient beings. In Christianity it would be experiencing grace or reunion with self, others, and the ground of being, and dedicating your life to love the neighbor (all neighbors) as yourself. And in my view this must be done in an integral manner: changing individual mindsets and behaviors, and transforming collective cultures and systems. Other views? ................................................................................................ 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For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life. Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down. Ellie elliestock@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Dear A.M., Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers. A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory. What do you think? In solidarity, Rob ................................................................................................ 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Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction? A.M. Noel On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: John and Colleagues, You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand. So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines. Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019 The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again: The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming. All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight. The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.” Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence. Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people. The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it. 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The interior council or meditative council is interesting relative to issue of separation. Last week I was leading a conversation on exploring our interior council of voices who affect who we are and what we are about. One woman suddenly said" my goodness becoming conscious of my council really puts an end to seeing myself as self- contained and separate , an ego unto myself. I had never thought of that exercise in that way but wow it deepened the conversation for everyone. The pearl if you like.Jeanette StanfieldSent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network. -------- Original message --------From: Robertson Work via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: 2019-08-29 9:13 p.m. (GMT-05:00) To: Jo Nelson <jnelson@ica-associates.ca>, Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>, Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com>, oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Spirit of the 20's Yes, Jo! So much is needed now. Everyone has a piece to give. Where ever you are, you are at the center of the world and your actions ripple outward to the whole. This is not a time to give in to tiredness or despair. This is the time to give it all you've got where ever you are, whatever your resources or relationships. And as Jack Gilles reminded us, the roles and actions of elders are unique and powerful. I for one have recently shifted from consulting and teaching to writing, climate/justice activism and grandparenting. What about you? What are you doing these days to save the world, person by person, community by community, organization by organization, network by network? ................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ From: Jo Nelson <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:35 PM To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com>; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's I think that facilitating respectful communication in workplaces and communities to bring people together, to create a multifaceted worldview that they are part of rather than a divided us/them worldview also addresses the contradiction of separation. Get Outlook for iOS From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:19:56 PM To: Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Beautifully, powerfully stated, Ellie. Thank you. So if we are on target with the vision and the contradiction, what are the strategic directions that would deal with the contradiction and move toward the vision? As you say, love/compassion, and an understanding of the interconnected nature of all reality and of the self. In Buddhism this would be called waking up to the realities of interdependence, impermanence and suffering, and vowing to relieve the suffering of all sentient beings. In Christianity it would be experiencing grace or reunion with self, others, and the ground of being, and dedicating your life to love the neighbor (all neighbors) as yourself. And in my view this must be done in an integral manner: changing individual mindsets and behaviors, and transforming collective cultures and systems. Other views? ................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ From: Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 7:53 PM To: dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: warkers@msn.com <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin". For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life. Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down. Ellie elliestock@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Dear A.M., Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers. A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory. What do you think? In solidarity, Rob ................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of A.M. Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction? A.M. Noel On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: John and Colleagues, You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand. So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines. Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019 The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again: The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming. All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight. The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.” Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence. Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people. The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it. 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I love that, Jeanette. Yes, what are the many ways to help people experience themselves not limited to their skin bag and ego, but indeed as part of humanity, the living Earth, and the vast, mysterious universe? Generating within individuals and society both empathy and compassion for people and planet are keys to the transformation needed. What are you thinking, doing, and being to transform separation into reunion? Thank you, John Epps, for starting this conversation. ................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/<https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/><https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ ________________________________ From: jstanfieldica <jstanfieldica@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 10:26 PM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Jo Nelson <jnelson@ica-associates.ca>; Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Spirit of the 20's The interior council or meditative council is interesting relative to issue of separation. Last week I was leading a conversation on exploring our interior council of voices who affect who we are and what we are about. One woman suddenly said" my goodness becoming conscious of my council really puts an end to seeing myself as self- contained and separate , an ego unto myself. I had never thought of that exercise in that way but wow it deepened the conversation for everyone. The pearl if you like. Jeanette Stanfield Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network. -------- Original message -------- From: Robertson Work via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: 2019-08-29 9:13 p.m. (GMT-05:00) To: Jo Nelson <jnelson@ica-associates.ca>, Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>, Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com>, oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Spirit of the 20's Yes, Jo! So much is needed now. Everyone has a piece to give. 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Get Outlook for iOS<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fo0ukef&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9bfa0a327bc548f234e608d72cf1869b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637027288167841263&sdata=ukXfKPsZUb6kyo3wgfUrkv8cD8i7pLGSaNlNKMynYxI%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:19:56 PM To: Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Beautifully, powerfully stated, Ellie. Thank you. So if we are on target with the vision and the contradiction, what are the strategic directions that would deal with the contradiction and move toward the vision? As you say, love/compassion, and an understanding of the interconnected nature of all reality and of the self. In Buddhism this would be called waking up to the realities of interdependence, impermanence and suffering, and vowing to relieve the suffering of all sentient beings. In Christianity it would be experiencing grace or reunion with self, others, and the ground of being, and dedicating your life to love the neighbor (all neighbors) as yourself. And in my view this must be done in an integral manner: changing individual mindsets and behaviors, and transforming collective cultures and systems. Other views? ................................................................................................ 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For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life. Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down. Ellie elliestock@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Dear A.M., Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers. A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory. What do you think? In solidarity, Rob ................................................................................................ 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Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction? A.M. Noel On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: John and Colleagues, You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand. So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines. Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019 The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again: The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming. All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight. The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.” Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence. Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people. The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it. 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It is interesting, from my perspective here in Denver, where we have all been immersed in Accelerate Neighborhood Climate Action (AKA Community Forum with a science spin) that this discussion went quickly to Doing, yes— these crises call us to Doing! But Being cares for our souls. Being’s “friends" are Chastity (to will one thing—the future of the planet) and Contemplation-- (I suggest contemplating daily, the beauty of the planet.) Now about the ICA where the “C" stands for Cultural—We uniquely have a well grounded strategy for changing culture without killing people. We change their images through intentional messages and question the old values that protect them. That’s the power of Community Forums. We are on our 11th neighborhood and have 28 action plans in place. As the months have gone by, are hearing from the neighborhood leaders, about less driving, more gardening, and somewhat militant anti-plastic bag banning among the proposals. There are good folks on our team--Pope Francis says, “There is an urgent need for us to move forward in a bold cultural revolution.” Grace and Peace, OliveAnn Slotta
On Aug 29, 2019, at 8:26 PM, jstanfieldica via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
The interior council or meditative council is interesting relative to issue of separation. Last week I was leading a conversation on exploring our interior council of voices who affect who we are and what we are about. One woman suddenly said" my goodness becoming conscious of my council really puts an end to seeing myself as self- contained and separate , an ego unto myself.
I had never thought of that exercise in that way but wow it deepened the conversation for everyone. The pearl if you like.
Jeanette Stanfield
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-------- Original message -------- From: Robertson Work via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: 2019-08-29 9:13 p.m. (GMT-05:00) To: Jo Nelson <jnelson@ica-associates.ca>, Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>, Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com>, oe@lists.wedgeblade.net Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Spirit of the 20's
Yes, Jo! So much is needed now. Everyone has a piece to give. Where ever you are, you are at the center of the world and your actions ripple outward to the whole. This is not a time to give in to tiredness or despair. This is the time to give it all you've got where ever you are, whatever your resources or relationships. And as Jack Gilles reminded us, the roles and actions of elders are unique and powerful. I for one have recently shifted from consulting and teaching to writing, climate/justice activism and grandparenting.
What about you? What are you doing these days to save the world, person by person, community by community, organization by organization, network by network? ................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 <https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617> Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/ <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ <https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ <https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/>
From: Jo Nelson <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:35 PM To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com>; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
I think that facilitating respectful communication in workplaces and communities to bring people together, to create a multifaceted worldview that they are part of rather than a divided us/them worldview also addresses the contradiction of separation.
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Beautifully, powerfully stated, Ellie. Thank you.
So if we are on target with the vision and the contradiction, what are the strategic directions that would deal with the contradiction and move toward the vision? As you say, love/compassion, and an understanding of the interconnected nature of all reality and of the self. In Buddhism this would be called waking up to the realities of interdependence, impermanence and suffering, and vowing to relieve the suffering of all sentient beings. In Christianity it would be experiencing grace or reunion with self, others, and the ground of being, and dedicating your life to love the neighbor (all neighbors) as yourself. And in my view this must be done in an integral manner: changing individual mindsets and behaviors, and transforming collective cultures and systems.
Other views? ................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fdp%2F1546972617&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57053d4a9905411f890a08d72ce1ea50%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637027221117140665&sdata=P7X5gEMEfMRqirfBoZS%2B5ymRpOPdb18%2FAPyZEpuZzYY%3D&reserved=0> Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/ <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcompassionatecivilization.blogspot.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57053d4a9905411f890a08d72ce1ea50%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637027221117140665&sdata=c%2BPapx%2B2E1dLC7PLrVliqfhHtFu%2BJiAbDW45Kkn%2Bygw%3D&reserved=0> <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcompassionatecivilization.blogspot.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57053d4a9905411f890a08d72ce1ea50%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637027221117150874&sdata=PBpgoWz3UxNXHaGTlvyfpaior2%2FaX%2FEW1Sj0saHnpyM%3D&reserved=0> <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcompassionatecivilization.blogspot.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57053d4a9905411f890a08d72ce1ea50%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637027221117150874&sdata=PBpgoWz3UxNXHaGTlvyfpaior2%2FaX%2FEW1Sj0saHnpyM%3D&reserved=0> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Frobertsonwork%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57053d4a9905411f890a08d72ce1ea50%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637027221117160682&sdata=LorbOKfxTFB4Or5Niq70DU6SfYBYh3ScsnuVHBNqQ5s%3D&reserved=0> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fcompassionatecivilization%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57053d4a9905411f890a08d72ce1ea50%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637027221117160682&sdata=rtyMHtV399xMI8za00l3KyoCHCLeZjzPgVQGKaDuDHc%3D&reserved=0>
From: Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 7:53 PM To: dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: warkers@msn.com <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin".
For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life.
Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down.
Ellie elliestock@aol.com
-----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
Dear A.M.,
Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers.
A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory.
What do you think?
In solidarity,
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From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of A.M. Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction?
A.M. Noel
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: John and Colleagues,
You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand.
So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines.
Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to
On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019
The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again:
The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming.
All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight.
The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress.
We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.”
Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence.
Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people.
The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it.
Your comments, additions, corrections, and insights are most welcome.
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Amen! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Jim & Oliveann Slotta via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: It is interesting, from my perspective here in Denver, where we have all been immersed in Accelerate Neighborhood Climate Action (AKA Community Forum with a science spin) that this discussion went quickly to Doing, yes— these crises call us to Doing! But Being cares for our souls. Being’s “friends" are Chastity (to will one thing—the future of the planet) and Contemplation-- (I suggest contemplating daily, the beauty of the planet.) Now about the ICA where the “C" stands for Cultural—We uniquely have a well grounded strategy for changing culture without killing people. We change their images through intentional messages and question the old values that protect them. That’s the power of Community Forums. We are on our 11th neighborhood and have 28 action plans in place. As the months have gone by, are hearing from the neighborhood leaders, about less driving, more gardening, and somewhat militant anti-plastic bag banning among the proposals. There are good folks on our team--Pope Francis says, “There is an urgent need for us to move forward in a bold cultural revolution.” Grace and Peace, OliveAnn Slotta On Aug 29, 2019, at 8:26 PM, jstanfieldica via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: The interior council or meditative council is interesting relative to issue of separation. Last week I was leading a conversation on exploring our interior council of voices who affect who we are and what we are about. One woman suddenly said" my goodness becoming conscious of my council really puts an end to seeing myself as self- contained and separate , an ego unto myself. I had never thought of that exercise in that way but wow it deepened the conversation for everyone. The pearl if you like. Jeanette Stanfield Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network. -------- Original message -------- From: Robertson Work via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Date: 2019-08-29 9:13 p.m. (GMT-05:00) To: Jo Nelson <jnelson@ica-associates.ca<mailto:jnelson@ica-associates.ca>>, Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>>, Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com<mailto:elliestock@aol.com>>, oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com<mailto:warkers@msn.com>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Spirit of the 20's Yes, Jo! So much is needed now. Everyone has a piece to give. Where ever you are, you are at the center of the world and your actions ripple outward to the whole. This is not a time to give in to tiredness or despair. This is the time to give it all you've got where ever you are, whatever your resources or relationships. And as Jack Gilles reminded us, the roles and actions of elders are unique and powerful. I for one have recently shifted from consulting and teaching to writing, climate/justice activism and grandparenting. What about you? What are you doing these days to save the world, person by person, community by community, organization by organization, network by network? ................................................................................................ 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Thank you. So if we are on target with the vision and the contradiction, what are the strategic directions that would deal with the contradiction and move toward the vision? As you say, love/compassion, and an understanding of the interconnected nature of all reality and of the self. In Buddhism this would be called waking up to the realities of interdependence, impermanence and suffering, and vowing to relieve the suffering of all sentient beings. In Christianity it would be experiencing grace or reunion with self, others, and the ground of being, and dedicating your life to love the neighbor (all neighbors) as yourself. And in my view this must be done in an integral manner: changing individual mindsets and behaviors, and transforming collective cultures and systems. Other views? ................................................................................................ 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For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life. Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down. Ellie elliestock@aol.com<mailto:elliestock@aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com<mailto:warkers@msn.com>> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Dear A.M., Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers. A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory. What do you think? In solidarity, Rob ................................................................................................ 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Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com<mailto:anthonymarianoel@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction? A.M. Noel On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: John and Colleagues, You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand. So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines. Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019 The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again: The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming. All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight. The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.” Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence. Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people. The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it. 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Go Denver! You are leading the way! What a splendid spirit dialogue! From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Reply-To: ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 6:50 AM To: OE List <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: "McCabe, Terence W" <tm04@txstate.edu>, ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Amen! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Jim & Oliveann Slotta via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: It is interesting, from my perspective here in Denver, where we have all been immersed in Accelerate Neighborhood Climate Action (AKA Community Forum with a science spin) that this discussion went quickly to Doing, yes— these crises call us to Doing! But Being cares for our souls. Being’s “friends" are Chastity (to will one thing—the future of the planet) and Contemplation-- (I suggest contemplating daily, the beauty of the planet.) Now about the ICA where the “C" stands for Cultural—We uniquely have a well grounded strategy for changing culture without killing people. We change their images through intentional messages and question the old values that protect them. That’s the power of Community Forums. We are on our 11th neighborhood and have 28 action plans in place. As the months have gone by, are hearing from the neighborhood leaders, about less driving, more gardening, and somewhat militant anti-plastic bag banning among the proposals. There are good folks on our team--Pope Francis says, “There is an urgent need for us to move forward in a bold cultural revolution.” Grace and Peace, OliveAnn Slotta On Aug 29, 2019, at 8:26 PM, jstanfieldica via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: The interior council or meditative council is interesting relative to issue of separation. Last week I was leading a conversation on exploring our interior council of voices who affect who we are and what we are about. One woman suddenly said" my goodness becoming conscious of my council really puts an end to seeing myself as self- contained and separate , an ego unto myself. I had never thought of that exercise in that way but wow it deepened the conversation for everyone. The pearl if you like. Jeanette Stanfield Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network. -------- Original message -------- From: Robertson Work via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Date: 2019-08-29 9:13 p.m. (GMT-05:00) To: Jo Nelson <jnelson@ica-associates.ca<mailto:jnelson@ica-associates.ca>>, Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>>, Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com<mailto:elliestock@aol.com>>, oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com<mailto:warkers@msn.com>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] [Dialogue] Spirit of the 20's Yes, Jo! So much is needed now. Everyone has a piece to give. Where ever you are, you are at the center of the world and your actions ripple outward to the whole. This is not a time to give in to tiredness or despair. This is the time to give it all you've got where ever you are, whatever your resources or relationships. And as Jack Gilles reminded us, the roles and actions of elders are unique and powerful. I for one have recently shifted from consulting and teaching to writing, climate/justice activism and grandparenting. What about you? What are you doing these days to save the world, person by person, community by community, organization by organization, network by network? ................................................................................................ 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Get Outlook for iOS<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fo0ukef&data=02%7C01%7Ctm04%40txstate.edu%7C3802fd32bb914a2e05ca08d72e73244c%7Cb19c134a14c94d4caf65c420f94c8cbb%7C0%7C0%7C637028944391564482&sdata=KLRYHe0nyoL916gznUksZUsYfVqtHUrzJBzREqs%2FeG8%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net>> on behalf of Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:19:56 PM To: Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com<mailto:elliestock@aol.com>>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>>; oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com<mailto:warkers@msn.com>> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Beautifully, powerfully stated, Ellie. Thank you. So if we are on target with the vision and the contradiction, what are the strategic directions that would deal with the contradiction and move toward the vision? As you say, love/compassion, and an understanding of the interconnected nature of all reality and of the self. In Buddhism this would be called waking up to the realities of interdependence, impermanence and suffering, and vowing to relieve the suffering of all sentient beings. In Christianity it would be experiencing grace or reunion with self, others, and the ground of being, and dedicating your life to love the neighbor (all neighbors) as yourself. And in my view this must be done in an integral manner: changing individual mindsets and behaviors, and transforming collective cultures and systems. Other views? ................................................................................................ 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For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life. Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down. Ellie elliestock@aol.com<mailto:elliestock@aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com<mailto:warkers@msn.com>> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Dear A.M., Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers. A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory. What do you think? In solidarity, Rob ................................................................................................ 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Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com<mailto:anthonymarianoel@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction? A.M. Noel On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: John and Colleagues, You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand. So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines. Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019 The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again: The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming. All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight. The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.” Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence. Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people. The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it. 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I've found a literal translation of the Greek word hamartia which is translated as sin to be really helpful. Hamartia means to miss the mark. It goes along with metanoia, translated as repentance, which means new mindedness. Both have helped to take away the moralism and sentimentality of each of the two words. Bill Schlesinger On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 5:54 PM Ellie Stock via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin".
For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life.
Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down.
Ellie elliestock@aol.com
-----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
Dear A.M.,
Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers.
A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a *separate*, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is *separation* from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory.
What do you think?
In solidarity,
Rob
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------------------------------ *From:* OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of A.M. Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM *To:* Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> *Cc:* A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction?
A.M. Noel
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
John and Colleagues,
You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand.
So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines.
Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to
On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
*The Spirit of the 20’s **John Epps, August 2019*
The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again:
*The Prevailing Spirit:* Our External Situation is best characterized as one of *THREAT*. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming.
All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of *FEAR*. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight.
The Existential Question in this situation is *HOW CAN WE SURVIVE?* With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress.
We Escape through *BLAMESTORMING*; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.”
*Towards an Authentic Response: *This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence.
Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people.
The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it.
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Yes, you will probably "miss the mark" if you are living "as if" separated from All that IS. Repentence is changing the paradigm of operation. Living into/out of the Evolutionary Universe Story and its Great Work grounded in the practical is one such paradigm shift. -----Original Message----- From: William Schlesinger via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: William Schlesinger <w.schlesinger@pvida.net> Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2019 6:11 am Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's I've found a literal translation of the Greek word hamartia which is translated as sin to be really helpful. Hamartia means to miss the mark. It goes along with metanoia, translated as repentance, which means new mindedness. Both have helped to take away the moralism and sentimentality of each of the two words. Bill Schlesinger On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 5:54 PM Ellie Stock via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin". For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life. Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down. Ellie elliestock@aol.com
-----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Dear A.M., Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers. A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory. What do you think? In solidarity, Rob................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of A.M. Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction? A.M. Noel On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: John and Colleagues, You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand. So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines. Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again:The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming.All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight.The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.”Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence.Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people.The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. 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Dear Rob, Ellie Thanks for sharing your enlightening perspective about the human condition. The vision has always was bringing the very best in each other. I could be completely off, and I think the human contradiction is FEAR ( false events/evidence appearing as real), A.M. Noel 646-939-1273 On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:11 PM Ellie Stock via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin".
For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life.
Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down.
Ellie elliestock@aol.com
-----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
Dear A.M.,
Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers.
A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a *separate*, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is *separation* from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory.
What do you think?
In solidarity,
Rob
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We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction?
A.M. Noel
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
John and Colleagues,
You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand.
So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines.
Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to
On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
*The Spirit of the 20’s **John Epps, August 2019*
The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again:
*The Prevailing Spirit:* Our External Situation is best characterized as one of *THREAT*. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming.
All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of *FEAR*. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight.
The Existential Question in this situation is *HOW CAN WE SURVIVE?* With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress.
We Escape through *BLAMESTORMING*; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.”
*Towards an Authentic Response: *This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence.
Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people.
The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it.
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A.M., You need to go deeper. I am fearful as well! I am afraid that the sustainability of the Earth is going to crash. I am fearful that the human race will not make it. If you think this won’t happen then you don’t see the crisis in full light. This can happen! That is why I said that courage will be in high demand. Push deep and answer what is feeding the beast. How are we fundamentally not able to change with the speed that is required. We are on the Titanic that has struck an iceberg. A lot of people will die, no question on that. As I remember our method, you need to ask Why at least three times to uncover the contradiction. When you reach Aha! the path becomes clear to develop a strategy. What image is operating? When you start finding yourself listing “do’s” then back up and name the name. Once you know the enemy, his greatest strength is vulnerable. That is why we named the body of people who can act as the Trans-establishment. This is a time of Prayer. With Respect, Jack
On Aug 30, 2019, at 06:22, A.M. Noel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Dear Rob, Ellie Thanks for sharing your enlightening perspective about the human condition. The vision has always was bringing the very best in each other. I could be completely off, and I think the human contradiction is FEAR ( false events/evidence appearing as real), A.M. Noel 646-939-1273
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:11 PM Ellie Stock via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin".
For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life.
Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down.
Ellie elliestock@aol.com <mailto:elliestock@aol.com>
-----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com <mailto:warkers@msn.com>> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
Dear A.M.,
Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers.
A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory.
What do you think?
In solidarity,
Rob ................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 <https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617> Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/ <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ <https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ <https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/>
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We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction?
A.M. Noel
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: John and Colleagues,
You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand.
So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines.
Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to
On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019
The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again:
The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming.
All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight.
The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress.
We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.”
Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence.
Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people.
The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it.
Your comments, additions, corrections, and insights are most welcome.
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Dear Jack, I read what you articulated. The order is I know went from KNOWING,DOING & BEING. What if we come from Being gives our knowing and then move to doing. A.M. Noel On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 8:31 AM Jack Gilles via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
A.M.,
You need to go deeper. I am fearful as well! I am afraid that the sustainability of the Earth is going to crash. I am fearful that the human race will not make it. If you think this won’t happen then you don’t see the crisis in full light. This can happen! That is why I said that courage will be in high demand. Push deep and answer what is feeding the beast. How are we fundamentally not able to change with the speed that is required. We are on the Titanic that has struck an iceberg. A lot of people will die, no question on that. As I remember our method, you need to ask Why at least three times to uncover the contradiction. When you reach Aha! the path becomes clear to develop a strategy. What image is operating? When you start finding yourself listing “do’s” then back up and name the name. Once you know the enemy, his greatest strength is vulnerable. That is why we named the body of people who can act as the Trans-establishment. This is a time of Prayer.
With Respect,
Jack
On Aug 30, 2019, at 06:22, A.M. Noel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Dear Rob, Ellie Thanks for sharing your enlightening perspective about the human condition. The vision has always was bringing the very best in each other. I could be completely off, and I think the human contradiction is FEAR ( false events/evidence appearing as real), A.M. Noel 646-939-1273
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:11 PM Ellie Stock via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin".
For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life.
Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down.
Ellie elliestock@aol.com
-----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
Dear A.M.,
Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers.
A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a *separate*, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is *separation* from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory.
What do you think?
In solidarity,
Rob
................................................................................................ Recent book: *A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations* https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/ <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/
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We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction?
A.M. Noel
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
John and Colleagues,
You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand.
So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines.
Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to
On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
*The Spirit of the 20’s**John Epps, August 2019*
The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again:
*The Prevailing Spirit:* Our External Situation is best characterized as one of *THREAT*. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming.
All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of *FEAR*. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight.
The Existential Question in this situation is *HOW CAN WE SURVIVE?* With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress.
We Escape through *BLAMESTORMING*; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.”
*Towards an Authentic Response:*This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence.
Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people.
The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it.
Your comments, additions, corrections, and insights are most welcome. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.wedgeblade.net%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Foe-wedgeblade.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7C48315466d27143baaed408d72c78a518%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637026768984887302&sdata=QI4evQiJlyks9mEGMZo6oTY1HYbf9adhO74se4MRtTE%3D&reserved=0>
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BEING was/is always the center, grounded in practical knowing and doing. -----Original Message----- From: A.M. Noel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2019 8:03 am Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Dear Jack,I read what you articulated. The order is I know went from KNOWING,DOING & BEING. What if we come from Being gives our knowing and then move to doing. A.M. Noel On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 8:31 AM Jack Gilles via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: A.M., You need to go deeper. I am fearful as well! I am afraid that the sustainability of the Earth is going to crash. I am fearful that the human race will not make it. If you think this won’t happen then you don’t see the crisis in full light. This can happen! That is why I said that courage will be in high demand. Push deep and answer what is feeding the beast. How are we fundamentally not able to change with the speed that is required. We are on the Titanic that has struck an iceberg. A lot of people will die, no question on that. As I remember our method, you need to ask Why at least three times to uncover the contradiction. When you reach Aha! the path becomes clear to develop a strategy. What image is operating? When you start finding yourself listing “do’s” then back up and name the name. Once you know the enemy, his greatest strength is vulnerable. That is why we named the body of people who can act as the Trans-establishment. This is a time of Prayer. With Respect, Jack On Aug 30, 2019, at 06:22, A.M. Noel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Dear Rob, Ellie Thanks for sharing your enlightening perspective about the human condition. The vision has always was bringing the very best in each other. I could be completely off, and I think the human contradiction is FEAR ( false events/evidence appearing as real), A.M. Noel646-939-1273 On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:11 PM Ellie Stock via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin". For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life. Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down. Ellie elliestock@aol.com
-----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Dear A.M., Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers. A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory. What do you think? In solidarity, Rob................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of A.M. Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction? A.M. Noel On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: John and Colleagues, You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand. So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines. Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again:The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming.All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight.The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.”Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence.Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people.The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it.Your comments, additions, corrections, and insights are most welcome. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
So true! A.M. Noel On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 9:53 AM Ellie Stock <elliestock@aol.com> wrote:
BEING was/is always the center, grounded in practical knowing and doing.
-----Original Message----- From: A.M. Noel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2019 8:03 am Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
Dear Jack, I read what you articulated. The order is I know went from KNOWING,DOING & BEING. What if we come from Being gives our knowing and then move to doing. A.M. Noel
On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 8:31 AM Jack Gilles via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
A.M.,
You need to go deeper. I am fearful as well! I am afraid that the sustainability of the Earth is going to crash. I am fearful that the human race will not make it. If you think this won’t happen then you don’t see the crisis in full light. This can happen! That is why I said that courage will be in high demand. Push deep and answer what is feeding the beast. How are we fundamentally not able to change with the speed that is required. We are on the Titanic that has struck an iceberg. A lot of people will die, no question on that. As I remember our method, you need to ask Why at least three times to uncover the contradiction. When you reach Aha! the path becomes clear to develop a strategy. What image is operating? When you start finding yourself listing “do’s” then back up and name the name. Once you know the enemy, his greatest strength is vulnerable. That is why we named the body of people who can act as the Trans-establishment. This is a time of Prayer.
With Respect,
Jack
On Aug 30, 2019, at 06:22, A.M. Noel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Dear Rob, Ellie Thanks for sharing your enlightening perspective about the human condition. The vision has always was bringing the very best in each other. I could be completely off, and I think the human contradiction is FEAR ( false events/evidence appearing as real), A.M. Noel 646-939-1273
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:11 PM Ellie Stock via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin".
For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life.
Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down.
Ellie elliestock@aol.com
-----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
Dear A.M.,
Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers.
A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a *separate*, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is *separation* from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory.
What do you think?
In solidarity,
Rob
................................................................................................ Recent book: *A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations* https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/ <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/
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We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction?
A.M. Noel
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE < oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
John and Colleagues,
You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand.
So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines.
Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to
On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
*The Spirit of the 20’s**John Epps, August 2019* The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again: *The Prevailing Spirit:* Our External Situation is best characterized as one of *THREAT*. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming. All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of *FEAR*. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight. The Existential Question in this situation is *HOW CAN WE SURVIVE?* With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. We Escape through *BLAMESTORMING*; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.”
*Towards an Authentic Response:*This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence. Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people. The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it. Your comments, additions, corrections, and insights are most welcome. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.wedgeblade.net%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Foe-wedgeblade.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7C48315466d27143baaed408d72c78a518%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637026768984887302&sdata=QI4evQiJlyks9mEGMZo6oTY1HYbf9adhO74se4MRtTE%3D&reserved=0>
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Ellie, We need to be careful in our language on Being. If you reread JWM’s Transparent Being talk (actually two day) he speaks of the complex relationships among the nine NRM categories as well as the gaps. Although Being is always present, our awareness of it is not. It becomes so in the third and fourth gaps, as The Journey’s come into play in a conscious way. For Being always is about the Transparency of life experience. Transparent Knowing and Transparent Doing are our first self-awareness of the transparency of living our Knowing and our Doing. The final gap is the encounter with the Being of not only our particular humanness but the humanness of humankind as a whole. This is poetically stated at the end of Journey to the East. Our own image disappears and is replaced by that of “every human”. Our Being is participating directly, every moment, every breath, with all of history; all the pain, all the joy, all the knowing and all the doing of the entire human race from the very beginning. A great awareness and integration of our lives with every other life. You might even hear some singing “Finish our Work” or maybe "Harvest Time”. There is so much more to how the NRM is to be understood. They are the way every human lives life; period. It is neither religious or moral. What is needed is awareness of what they are pointing to in Profound Humanness. These categories are about deep awareness of really living a disciplined life; disciplined to live before the Final Reality. All people experience transparency. They do not know what it takes to live through transparency. As that great statement says: Before enlightenment; chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. I will just share one of the exercises Judy and I used to do with Indian business executives in our three week Transformational Leadership Lab (TLL). We always did early morning work, usually led by Judy in yoga and body poetry. In this exercise we would ask people to just walk for a minute out and a minute return. When they returned we asked them to repeat the walk, but this time pay attention to everything; colors, sounds, movements, the feeling on their bare feet, etc. Upon return we simply asked them to contrast the two walks. Of course the second was so much richer in experience. We called that walking with Mindfulness. Then we sent them on a third walk. This time they were to maintain the attention, but add the category of intention. Not about getting someplace, but walk as if every step was a conscious decision, that you intended that step as if your life depended upon it. Again upon returning we had a short reflection. Most of the people were quite awe struck at their experience. There was a fulness to life they couldn’t really explain. We simply told them, this is what it means to be human. In looking at the dynamics of the NRM, Attention (mindfulness) is what we mean by Contemplation. Intention (to will one’s action) is what we meant by Chastity. That is why the charts are arranged in their spacing: four in the first circle, two in the second, two in the third and one in the fourth. Peace, Jack
On Aug 30, 2019, at 08:53, Ellie Stock via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
BEING was/is always the center, grounded in practical knowing and doing.
-----Original Message----- From: A.M. Noel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2019 8:03 am Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
Dear Jack, I read what you articulated. The order is I know went from KNOWING,DOING & BEING. What if we come from Being gives our knowing and then move to doing. A.M. Noel
On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 8:31 AM Jack Gilles via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: A.M.,
You need to go deeper. I am fearful as well! I am afraid that the sustainability of the Earth is going to crash. I am fearful that the human race will not make it. If you think this won’t happen then you don’t see the crisis in full light. This can happen! That is why I said that courage will be in high demand. Push deep and answer what is feeding the beast. How are we fundamentally not able to change with the speed that is required. We are on the Titanic that has struck an iceberg. A lot of people will die, no question on that. As I remember our method, you need to ask Why at least three times to uncover the contradiction. When you reach Aha! the path becomes clear to develop a strategy. What image is operating? When you start finding yourself listing “do’s” then back up and name the name. Once you know the enemy, his greatest strength is vulnerable. That is why we named the body of people who can act as the Trans-establishment. This is a time of Prayer.
With Respect,
Jack
On Aug 30, 2019, at 06:22, A.M. Noel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
Dear Rob, Ellie Thanks for sharing your enlightening perspective about the human condition. The vision has always was bringing the very best in each other. I could be completely off, and I think the human contradiction is FEAR ( false events/evidence appearing as real), A.M. Noel 646-939-1273
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:11 PM Ellie Stock via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin".
For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life.
Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down.
Ellie elliestock@aol.com <mailto:elliestock@aol.com>
-----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com <mailto:warkers@msn.com>> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
Dear A.M.,
Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers.
A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory.
What do you think?
In solidarity,
Rob ................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 <https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617> Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/ <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> <https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ <https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ <https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/>
From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net>> on behalf of A.M. Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com <mailto:anthonymarianoel@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's
We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction?
A.M. Noel
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: John and Colleagues,
You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand.
So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines.
Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to
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The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019 The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again: The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming. All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight. The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.” Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence. Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people. The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it. Your comments, additions, corrections, and insights are most welcome. _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:OE@lists.wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.wedgeblade.net%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Foe-wedgeblade.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7C48315466d27143baaed408d72c78a518%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637026768984887302&sdata=QI4evQiJlyks9mEGMZo6oTY1HYbf9adhO74se4MRtTE%3D&reserved=0>
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Thanks much, Jack and Ellie and A.M. John & Lynda Cock Let there be a Journey Reflection blog in there somewhere … spirit willing. From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of Jack Gilles via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Reply-To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: Friday, August 30, 2019 at 3:55 PM To: Frank Cookingham via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Jack Gilles <jackcgilles@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Ellie, We need to be careful in our language on Being. If you reread JWM’s Transparent Being talk (actually two day) he speaks of the complex relationships among the nine NRM categories as well as the gaps. Although Being is always present, our awareness of it is not. It becomes so in the third and fourth gaps, as The Journey’s come into play in a conscious way. For Being always is about the Transparency of life experience. Transparent Knowing and Transparent Doing are our first self-awareness of the transparency of living our Knowing and our Doing. The final gap is the encounter with the Being of not only our particular humanness but the humanness of humankind as a whole. This is poetically stated at the end of Journey to the East. Our own image disappears and is replaced by that of “every human”. Our Being is participating directly, every moment, every breath, with all of history; all the pain, all the joy, all the knowing and all the doing of the entire human race from the very beginning. A great awareness and integration of our lives with every other life. You might even hear some singing “Finish our Work” or maybe "Harvest Time”. There is so much more to how the NRM is to be understood. They are the way every human lives life; period. It is neither religious or moral. What is needed is awareness of what they are pointing to in Profound Humanness. These categories are about deep awareness of really living a disciplined life; disciplined to live before the Final Reality. All people experience transparency. They do not know what it takes to live through transparency. As that great statement says: Before enlightenment; chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. I will just share one of the exercises Judy and I used to do with Indian business executives in our three week Transformational Leadership Lab (TLL). We always did early morning work, usually led by Judy in yoga and body poetry. In this exercise we would ask people to just walk for a minute out and a minute return. When they returned we asked them to repeat the walk, but this time pay attention to everything; colors, sounds, movements, the feeling on their bare feet, etc. Upon return we simply asked them to contrast the two walks. Of course the second was so much richer in experience. We called that walking with Mindfulness. Then we sent them on a third walk. This time they were to maintain the attention, but add the category of intention. Not about getting someplace, but walk as if every step was a conscious decision, that you intended that step as if your life depended upon it. Again upon returning we had a short reflection. Most of the people were quite awe struck at their experience. There was a fulness to life they couldn’t really explain. We simply told them, this is what it means to be human. In looking at the dynamics of the NRM, Attention (mindfulness) is what we mean by Contemplation. Intention (to will one’s action) is what we meant by Chastity. That is why the charts are arranged in their spacing: four in the first circle, two in the second, two in the third and one in the fourth. Peace, Jack On Aug 30, 2019, at 08:53, Ellie Stock via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: BEING was/is always the center, grounded in practical knowing and doing. -----Original Message----- From: A.M. Noel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com<mailto:anthonymarianoel@gmail.com>> Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2019 8:03 am Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Dear Jack, I read what you articulated. The order is I know went from KNOWING,DOING & BEING. What if we come from Being gives our knowing and then move to doing. A.M. Noel On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 8:31 AM Jack Gilles via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: A.M., You need to go deeper. I am fearful as well! I am afraid that the sustainability of the Earth is going to crash. I am fearful that the human race will not make it. If you think this won’t happen then you don’t see the crisis in full light. This can happen! That is why I said that courage will be in high demand. Push deep and answer what is feeding the beast. How are we fundamentally not able to change with the speed that is required. We are on the Titanic that has struck an iceberg. A lot of people will die, no question on that. As I remember our method, you need to ask Why at least three times to uncover the contradiction. When you reach Aha! the path becomes clear to develop a strategy. What image is operating? When you start finding yourself listing “do’s” then back up and name the name. Once you know the enemy, his greatest strength is vulnerable. That is why we named the body of people who can act as the Trans-establishment. This is a time of Prayer. With Respect, Jack On Aug 30, 2019, at 06:22, A.M. Noel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Dear Rob, Ellie Thanks for sharing your enlightening perspective about the human condition. The vision has always was bringing the very best in each other. I could be completely off, and I think the human contradiction is FEAR ( false events/evidence appearing as real), A.M. Noel 646-939-1273 On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:11 PM Ellie Stock via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: From a Christian perspective, Tillich was a good next step in articulating the reality of "sin". For me another definition from the Christian perspective makes more sense: The reality is that everything is connected and interrelated. "Sin" is thinking, acting, living "as if" we were separated from the primal Energy of Life, humanity, and all creation which leads to destructive patterns of behavior towards all life. Love/compassion is the antidote. The call to demonstrate inclusive, unconditional love through our knowing, doing, and being is based on the interconnectedness/interrelatedness of All and therefore builds up rather than tears down. Ellie elliestock@aol.com<mailto:elliestock@aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Robertson Work via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>>; dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Cc: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com<mailto:warkers@msn.com>> Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 06:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's Dear A.M., Now that is a deep question, friend. Thank you. Would love to hear your and other's answers. A few of my thoughts: If a contradiction is that which is blocking a vision, what is the vision? If the vision is of humanity realizing its full potential to love all beings (all people and all nature), then what is blocking that from being realized? From my point of view, the human contradiction is the illusion that the self is a separate, independent, unchanging entity that must be protected and promoted at the expense of any and every other reality. This is based on ignorance of the true nature of the self as interdependent, impermanent, and in a state of suffering. That statement is from a Buddhist perspective. A Christian perspective on the contradiction seems to be very similar. Human beings are in a state of sin, which Paul TIllich clarifies as: "sin is separation from self, others, and the ground of being." This fundamental error of perception of the self is that which pits the self against all others and even its own nature. This is a tragic ontological narcissism and solipsism - the belief that "I" am all that matters or even exists, and therefore I can and must do whatever I need to do to subjugate other beings to my will and my glory. What do you think? In solidarity, Rob ................................................................................................ Recent book: A Compassionate Civilization: The Urgency of Sustainable Development and Mindful Activism - Reflections and Recommendations https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546972617 Blog: https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonwork/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/compassionatecivilization/ ________________________________ From: OE <oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net>> on behalf of A.M. Noel via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:01 AM To: Order Ecumenical Community <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> Cc: A.M. Noel <anthonymarianoel@gmail.com<mailto:anthonymarianoel@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Oe List ...] Spirit of the 20's We always knew when we are able to articulate the contradiction. We could come up with what is possible, Are we willing to articulate what is the human contradiction? A.M. Noel On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:31 AM Jack Gilles via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: John and Colleagues, You have laid out the classic analysis of the existential crisis the world is facing very well. Indeed, the collective threat to our human and planetary existence is before us. What is obvious is that the pain will increase; for all of us. There will be no escape. We will all weep at the destruction of the planet and the dehumanization forces react to the fear they feel. Let these tears cleanse our hearts and clear the dust from our minds. We will rejoice at the signs of possibilities that so many will demonstrate daily, even though they also face the wind that can blow out the candles of hope. Cruelty will grow, greed will flourish and the beast will roar. Courage will be in big demand. So many years ago, amazingly we saw it coming, although we had no idea of the particulars. You can remember and resonate to the words of wisdom that were spoken then. “Without a NRM there will be no NSV”. “Although we are engaged in the campaigns of Awakenment and Demonstration, the day after tomorrow we will only be doing the Third Campaign, Caring for those who Care.” “Discerning the Contradiction is the key to creative change”. “Never attack directly, indirection is the way”. And wow, all the learnings we amassed! We failed at replication, but now we know why. We failed at expanding Religious Houses, but now we know why. We failed at renewing the historical Christian church, but now we know why. And that wisdom needs to be collected and shared. Thus the mission of the Living Archives. It is now time to share that wisdom, but not just everyone, but with the newly awakened ones, those who discovered the Second Mountain, as David Brooks describes it. With those who have discovered the primacy of the local but have done so in partnership with the living Earth. We can trust the Mystery to raise up stones in amazing ways. New life will fill “dem bones”. New poetry, stories, songs and symbols will left hearts and strengthen spines. Enough of the words. Practically what do we do? Most of us are long-in-the tooth, so we must discern our elder role and develop the strategy to make it happen. Time is short to do so. Maybe the ICA’s is the vehicle, maybe not. We lost something when we shifted from Global language to National language. The nation state is a social vehicle that will not work, it is dead, but sure does look at act alive (I mean it doesn’t represent the way life is anymore). So start with our Grid. Watch the TED talk on the 50 Urban Nodes that have emerged (these are the Areas from our Grid). Listen to the wisdom of Larry Ward and Peggy Rowe (see Larry’s short TED talk). Become fluent in speaking of what we called the NRM. See how it is indeed the absolute requirement to lead in the creation of the NSV. Understand the dynamics of the creative process and how our Socilal Process work reveals the wisdom of how it happens and review the Pressure Points and Whistle Points for their relevance today and have they shifted? Grasp the dynamics and forms of The Wayside Inn and how it can function. And so much more. Perhaps we need a forum to On Aug 28, 2019, at 16:36, John Epps via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: The Spirit of the 20’s John Epps, August 2019 The categories for determining the spirit of a decade supposedly come from Kierkegaard: An External Situation creates an Internal Crisis which raises an Existential Question from which we try to Escape. I’ve used them in trying to assess the situation since the 60’s. Here we go again: The Prevailing Spirit: Our External Situation is best characterized as one of THREAT. Economically, health care costs are rising astronomically, the move away from fossil fuels and the trade war with China have put markets in turmoil and talk of recession is in the air. Politically, we have cut off alliances and find Russia, N. Korea, and Iran all upgrading their nuclear capabilities. USA Congress seems unable to act. Culturally, we are besieged with increased numbers of immigrants and mass shootings now appear commonplace. And encompassing all this chaos is the Earth’s environment which appears to be undergoing dangerous changes due to global warming. All this has generated or contributed to an Internal Crisis of FEAR. We increasingly fear those who differ from us, whether by race, gender identification, nationality, or ideology. Everything different seems a threat, and we fear the changes already in progress. Compromise seems weak, and we’re increasingly in a black or white situation: agree or fight. The Existential Question in this situation is HOW CAN WE SURVIVE? With the environment collapsing and threats at every turn, what can we do? Problems seem too big to tackle, and local action, while effective, remains local while the issues are larger. Institutions we developed to address larger issues appear paralyzed: CONGRESS, UN, NATO, NAFTA, ASEAN, Treaties with Iran and the Paris Accords for Climate all appear ineffective in providing remedies. Attempts to inact gun control legislation, despite agreement from both parties, cannot move through Congress. We Escape through BLAMESTORMING; we look for scapegoats for each issue, then cast them as enemies toward which hatred is the only suitable relation. We demonize NRA, GOP, “Moscow Mitch,” Trump, Kim, Putin, Refugees, Democrats, Immigrants, Socialists, and many others. Extreme hostility takes the guise of radical nationalism attempting to band “us” against “them” or in too many cases, mass shootings aimed at eliminating “them.” Towards an Authentic Response: This is where we meet the question of God today: wrestling with the question of responding to threats to our existence. Local action may be the most we can do, and since that makes a difference, should be pursued with vigor. Maybe, over time, the mass changes needed can come from local people. The threats are real. The status quo cannot and will not survive. The future is really open and unpredictable. We can, however, have a hand in inventing it. 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