Searching for a paper
For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist? Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing?? Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . . Jim Wiegel Theunknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybodyscurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, allthat. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plainsailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com
Niebuhr, H. R. (1944). Towards a New Other-Worldliness. Theology Today, 1(1), 78–87. https://doi.org/10.1177/004057364400100107 From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of James Wiegel via Dialogue Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 11:10 AM To: Colleague Dialogue Listserve <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; OE Listserve <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Subject: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist? Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing?? Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . . Jim Wiegel <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694106631000000&usg=AOvVaw3kxRDFRsogJNvukI9dVwfX> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694106631000000&usg=AOvVaw0kDYxyAsxNC0LERS_C_YdR> -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This transmission may contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally privileged and proprietary and may be subject to protection under the law, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you
I believe I saw a paper - in the midst of the 1971-1973 sort - called “We Live in Two Worlds”. If I see it again, I will send it to you. Your paragraph on climate change was overwhelming. That is the state I feel these days. Likely one of the 144 states of being. Peace, Karen
On Aug 31, 2023, at 12:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist?
Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing??
Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . .
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The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon
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Bill Schlessinger sent me the first page, but the whole article costs $37.50Jim Wiegel Theunknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybodyscurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, allthat. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plainsailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 11:58:47 AM MST, Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> wrote: I believe I saw a paper - in the midst of the 1971-1973 sort - called “We Live in Two Worlds”. If I see it again, I will send it to you. Your paragraph on climate change was overwhelming. That is the state I feel these days. Likely one of the 144 states of being. Peace, Karen On Aug 31, 2023, at 12:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist? Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing?? Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . . Jim Wiegel Theunknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybodyscurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, allthat. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plainsailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
But I’m not the one charging! Bill Schlesinger 😊 From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of James Wiegel via Dialogue Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 1:03 PM To: Dialogue@lists <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper Bill Schlessinger sent me the first page, but the whole article costs $37.50 Jim Wiegel <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw0m2mpET-SuZLO21LDy6DoP> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw3eRuG-YUjB1OGxyYCqRGJu> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 11:58:47 AM MST, Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com <mailto:karen.snyder10@gmail.com> > wrote: I believe I saw a paper - in the midst of the 1971-1973 sort - called “We Live in Two Worlds”. If I see it again, I will send it to you. Your paragraph on climate change was overwhelming. That is the state I feel these days. Likely one of the 144 states of being. Peace, Karen On Aug 31, 2023, at 12:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> > wrote: For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist? Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing?? Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . . Jim Wiegel <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw0m2mpET-SuZLO21LDy6DoP> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw3eRuG-YUjB1OGxyYCqRGJu> _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This transmission may contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally privileged and proprietary and may be subject to protection under the law, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you
This is true . . . and, actually, Bill, I may have asked this several years ago and you sent me the same link. But it is all good. I REALLY LIKE the first paragraph and honestly, I am not sure if I ever read past that . . . Jim Wiegel Theunknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybodyscurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, allthat. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plainsailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:29:11 PM MST, w.schlesinger@pvida.net <w.schlesinger@pvida.net> wrote: But I’m not the one charging! Bill Schlesinger 😊 From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of James Wiegel via Dialogue Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 1:03 PM To: Dialogue@lists <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper Bill Schlessinger sent me the first page, but the whole article costs $37.50 Jim Wiegel The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 11:58:47 AM MST, Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> wrote: I believe I saw a paper - in the midst of the 1971-1973 sort - called “We Live in Two Worlds”. If I see it again, I will send it to you. Your paragraph on climate change was overwhelming. That is the state I feel these days. Likely one of the 144 states of being. Peace, Karen On Aug 31, 2023, at 12:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist? Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing?? Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . . Jim Wiegel The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This transmission may contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally privileged and proprietary and may be subject to protection under the law, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you
Looking forward to your thoughts on this, Jim and others. What I find wonderful about the OE’s writing on the Other World is that it states that the Other World is found in This World. It is not separate from the mundane experience of the human animal. The Other World is rather a shift in awareness that occurs in the here and the now. We state that the Other World breaks into This World. This is a poetic way of saying that during an ordinary experience, a human being’s awareness suddenly shifts and expands with new insight, new language, and new emotion. There is no duality. It is a shift in consciousness. Robertson Work Books and bio<https://www.amazon.com/Robertson-Work/e/B075612GBF> Blogsite<https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> Substack<https://robertsonwork.substack.com/> Videos and articles<https://www.globalcompassioncoalition.org/author/robertson-work/> ________________________________ From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 3:40 PM To: 'Colleague Dialogue' <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; 'Karen Snyder' <karen.snyder10@gmail.com>; w.schlesinger@pvida.net <w.schlesinger@pvida.net> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper This is true . . . and, actually, Bill, I may have asked this several years ago and you sent me the same link. But it is all good. I REALLY LIKE the first paragraph and honestly, I am not sure if I ever read past that . . . Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:29:11 PM MST, w.schlesinger@pvida.net <w.schlesinger@pvida.net> wrote: But I’m not the one charging! Bill Schlesinger 😊 From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of James Wiegel via Dialogue Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 1:03 PM To: Dialogue@lists <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper Bill Schlessinger sent me the first page, but the whole article costs $37.50 Jim Wiegel <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw0m2mpET-SuZLO21LDy6DoP> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw3eRuG-YUjB1OGxyYCqRGJu> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 11:58:47 AM MST, Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com<mailto:karen.snyder10@gmail.com>> wrote: I believe I saw a paper - in the midst of the 1971-1973 sort - called “We Live in Two Worlds”. If I see it again, I will send it to you. Your paragraph on climate change was overwhelming. That is the state I feel these days. Likely one of the 144 states of being. Peace, Karen On Aug 31, 2023, at 12:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist? Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing?? Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . . Jim Wiegel <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw0m2mpET-SuZLO21LDy6DoP> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw3eRuG-YUjB1OGxyYCqRGJu> _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This transmission may contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally privileged and proprietary and may be subject to protection under the law, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. 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Thanks, Rob, yes, part of mundane experience. I have been participating with a study group that Herman Greene set up, focussed on "Regenerative Economics" -- what will be involved in translating how we, as humans (and all our organizational offspring), operate on the planet so as to be somehow in line with the limits we face. Anyway, this morning, one of the other participants shared a page of reflections that seemed very much to be his attempt to articulate "the other world in the midst of this world" these days . . . Jim Wiegel Theunknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybodyscurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, allthat. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plainsailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 03:36:34 PM MST, Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> wrote: Looking forward to your thoughts on this, Jim and others. What I find wonderful about the OE’s writing on the Other World is that it states that the Other World is found in This World. It is not separate from the mundane experience of the human animal. The Other World is rather a shift in awareness that occurs in the here and the now. We state that the Other Worldbreaks into This World. This is a poetic way of saying that during an ordinary experience, a human being’s awareness suddenly shifts and expands with new insight, new language, and new emotion. There is no duality. It is a shift in consciousness. Robertson Work Books and bio Blogsite Substack Videos and articlesFrom: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 3:40 PM To: 'Colleague Dialogue' <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; 'Karen Snyder' <karen.snyder10@gmail.com>; w.schlesinger@pvida.net <w.schlesinger@pvida.net> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper This is true . . . and, actually, Bill, I may have asked this several years ago and you sent me the same link. But it is all good. I REALLY LIKE the first paragraph and honestly, I am not sure if I ever read past that . . . Jim Wiegel The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:29:11 PM MST, w.schlesinger@pvida.net <w.schlesinger@pvida.net> wrote: But I’m not the one charging! Bill Schlesinger 😊 From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net>On Behalf Of James Wiegel via Dialogue Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 1:03 PM To: Dialogue@lists <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper Bill Schlessinger sent me the first page, but the whole article costs $37.50 Jim Wiegel The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 11:58:47 AM MST, Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> wrote: I believe I saw a paper - in the midst of the 1971-1973 sort - called “We Live in Two Worlds”. If I see it again, I will send it to you. Your paragraph on climate change was overwhelming. That is the state I feel these days. Likely one of the 144 states of being. Peace, Karen On Aug 31, 2023, at 12:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist? Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing?? Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . . Jim Wiegel The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This transmission may contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally privileged and proprietary and may be subject to protection under the law, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you
Sounds great, Jim. Yes, ecological regeneration, social justice, and participatory governance are the priorities for sustaining and caring for life on Earth. Rob Robertson Work Books and bio<https://www.amazon.com/Robertson-Work/e/B075612GBF> Blogsite<https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> Substack<https://robertsonwork.substack.com/> Videos and articles<https://www.globalcompassioncoalition.org/author/robertson-work/> ________________________________ From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 8:32 PM To: 'Colleague Dialogue' <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; 'Karen Snyder' <karen.snyder10@gmail.com>; w.schlesinger@pvida.net <w.schlesinger@pvida.net>; Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper Thanks, Rob, yes, part of mundane experience. I have been participating with a study group that Herman Greene set up, focussed on "Regenerative Economics" -- what will be involved in translating how we, as humans (and all our organizational offspring), operate on the planet so as to be somehow in line with the limits we face. Anyway, this morning, one of the other participants shared a page of reflections that seemed very much to be his attempt to articulate "the other world in the midst of this world" these days . . . Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 03:36:34 PM MST, Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> wrote: Looking forward to your thoughts on this, Jim and others. What I find wonderful about the OE’s writing on the Other World is that it states that the Other World is found in This World. It is not separate from the mundane experience of the human animal. The Other World is rather a shift in awareness that occurs in the here and the now. We state that the Other World breaks into This World. This is a poetic way of saying that during an ordinary experience, a human being’s awareness suddenly shifts and expands with new insight, new language, and new emotion. There is no duality. It is a shift in consciousness. Robertson Work Books and bio<https://www.amazon.com/Robertson-Work/e/B075612GBF> Blogsite<https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> Substack<https://robertsonwork.substack.com/> Videos and articles<https://www.globalcompassioncoalition.org/author/robertson-work/> ________________________________ From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 3:40 PM To: 'Colleague Dialogue' <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; 'Karen Snyder' <karen.snyder10@gmail.com>; w.schlesinger@pvida.net <w.schlesinger@pvida.net> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper This is true . . . and, actually, Bill, I may have asked this several years ago and you sent me the same link. But it is all good. I REALLY LIKE the first paragraph and honestly, I am not sure if I ever read past that . . . Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:29:11 PM MST, w.schlesinger@pvida.net <w.schlesinger@pvida.net> wrote: But I’m not the one charging! Bill Schlesinger 😊 From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of James Wiegel via Dialogue Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 1:03 PM To: Dialogue@lists <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper Bill Schlessinger sent me the first page, but the whole article costs $37.50 Jim Wiegel <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw0m2mpET-SuZLO21LDy6DoP> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw3eRuG-YUjB1OGxyYCqRGJu> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 11:58:47 AM MST, Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com<mailto:karen.snyder10@gmail.com>> wrote: I believe I saw a paper - in the midst of the 1971-1973 sort - called “We Live in Two Worlds”. If I see it again, I will send it to you. Your paragraph on climate change was overwhelming. That is the state I feel these days. Likely one of the 144 states of being. Peace, Karen On Aug 31, 2023, at 12:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist? Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing?? Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . . Jim Wiegel <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw0m2mpET-SuZLO21LDy6DoP> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. 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No, but I'll have a look. Thanks. Robertson Work Books and bio<https://www.amazon.com/Robertson-Work/e/B075612GBF> Blogsite<https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> Substack<https://robertsonwork.substack.com/> Videos and articles<https://www.globalcompassioncoalition.org/author/robertson-work/> ________________________________ From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 7:49 AM To: Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com>; Dhondi Wiegel <dhondiw@gmail.com>; Shanker Wiegel <shankerw@yahoo.com>; Hazel Berrios <hkberrios@gmail.com> Cc: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com>; w.schlesinger@pvida.net <w.schlesinger@pvida.net> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper Have you run across the book SOUL BOOM? Authored by the guy who played Dwight in the series THE OFFICE. On the ‘new book shelf’ at the Tolleson Library https://www.publishersweekly.com/9780306828270 Jim Wiegel “…the long work of turning their lives into a celebration is not easy. Come and let us talk“. The Sunflowers. Mary Oliver On Aug 31, 2023, at 5:38 PM, Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> wrote: Sounds great, Jim. Yes, ecological regeneration, social justice, and participatory governance are the priorities for sustaining and caring for life on Earth. Rob Robertson Work Books and bio<https://www.amazon.com/Robertson-Work/e/B075612GBF> Blogsite<https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> Substack<https://robertsonwork.substack.com/> Videos and articles<https://www.globalcompassioncoalition.org/author/robertson-work/> ________________________________ From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 8:32 PM To: 'Colleague Dialogue' <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; 'Karen Snyder' <karen.snyder10@gmail.com>; w.schlesinger@pvida.net <w.schlesinger@pvida.net>; Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper Thanks, Rob, yes, part of mundane experience. I have been participating with a study group that Herman Greene set up, focussed on "Regenerative Economics" -- what will be involved in translating how we, as humans (and all our organizational offspring), operate on the planet so as to be somehow in line with the limits we face. Anyway, this morning, one of the other participants shared a page of reflections that seemed very much to be his attempt to articulate "the other world in the midst of this world" these days . . . Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 03:36:34 PM MST, Robertson Work <warkers@msn.com> wrote: Looking forward to your thoughts on this, Jim and others. What I find wonderful about the OE’s writing on the Other World is that it states that the Other World is found in This World. It is not separate from the mundane experience of the human animal. The Other World is rather a shift in awareness that occurs in the here and the now. We state that the Other World breaks into This World. This is a poetic way of saying that during an ordinary experience, a human being’s awareness suddenly shifts and expands with new insight, new language, and new emotion. There is no duality. It is a shift in consciousness. Robertson Work Books and bio<https://www.amazon.com/Robertson-Work/e/B075612GBF> Blogsite<https://compassionatecivilization.blogspot.com/> Substack<https://robertsonwork.substack.com/> Videos and articles<https://www.globalcompassioncoalition.org/author/robertson-work/> ________________________________ From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 3:40 PM To: 'Colleague Dialogue' <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; 'Karen Snyder' <karen.snyder10@gmail.com>; w.schlesinger@pvida.net <w.schlesinger@pvida.net> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper This is true . . . and, actually, Bill, I may have asked this several years ago and you sent me the same link. But it is all good. I REALLY LIKE the first paragraph and honestly, I am not sure if I ever read past that . . . Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:29:11 PM MST, w.schlesinger@pvida.net <w.schlesinger@pvida.net> wrote: But I’m not the one charging! Bill Schlesinger 😊 From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> On Behalf Of James Wiegel via Dialogue Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 1:03 PM To: Dialogue@lists <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com> Cc: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Searching for a paper Bill Schlessinger sent me the first page, but the whole article costs $37.50 Jim Wiegel <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw0m2mpET-SuZLO21LDy6DoP> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw3eRuG-YUjB1OGxyYCqRGJu> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 11:58:47 AM MST, Karen Snyder <karen.snyder10@gmail.com<mailto:karen.snyder10@gmail.com>> wrote: I believe I saw a paper - in the midst of the 1971-1973 sort - called “We Live in Two Worlds”. If I see it again, I will send it to you. Your paragraph on climate change was overwhelming. That is the state I feel these days. Likely one of the 144 states of being. Peace, Karen On Aug 31, 2023, at 12:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist? Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing?? Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . . Jim Wiegel <https://www.google.com/url?q=http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw0m2mpET-SuZLO21LDy6DoP> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1694113399000000&usg=AOvVaw3eRuG-YUjB1OGxyYCqRGJu> _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This transmission may contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally privileged and proprietary and may be subject to protection under the law, including the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. 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Hello! When Blase and I were recently in Litibu, I was asked by Josh Craver what I thought were some of the key legacies of the ICA/EI, One of my comments was the Other World Work we did. We dug out an early copy of the Courage to Lead and explored the various dynamics of the OW. It was an enlivening conversation! And yes, we saw some of the early papers in the archives. I am now back from travels and hope to check in with the material again. A key questions is how does this apply to shifting the consciousness to a planetary perspective. Jan On Aug 31, 2023, at 1:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist? Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing?? Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . . Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/> The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> <Tillich we live in two orders.pdf>_______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
Hi Jan, Recently the Centering Prayer group I belong to has been delving into World Without End, (first published in 2017) the text of conversations between film maker and writer Lucette Verboten and Father Thomas Keating. In the course of their exchange, Keating reveals the profound influence the evolutionary theology of Jesuit paleontologist Pierre Teilhard de Chardin had upon his greatly expanded idea of God, the universe and humanity moving into higher stages of consciousness beyond the “rational level.” JWM spoke often about consciousness of consciousness of consciousness. I believe our work with the OW in the midst of TW had much to do with this, though truth be, I was too naive at that point to fully understand the relationship. Certainly this all applies to shifting consciousness to a planetary perspective —the union with everything, letting go of the particular controversies, “in order to be no thing.” \ Jon and Maureen Jenkins did the most depth work on the OW. You might find a chat with Maureen fruitful. Marilyn
On Sep 5, 2023, at 12:35 PM, Janet Sanders via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hello! When Blase and I were recently in Litibu, I was asked by Josh Craver what I thought were some of the key legacies of the ICA/EI, One of my comments was the Other World Work we did. We dug out an early copy of the Courage to Lead and explored the various dynamics of the OW. It was an enlivening conversation! And yes, we saw some of the early papers in the archives. I am now back from travels and hope to check in with the material again. A key questions is how does this apply to shifting the consciousness to a planetary perspective. Jan
On Aug 31, 2023, at 1:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist?
Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing??
Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . .
Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/>
The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon
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Our thoughts are like waves in an ocean we cannot see. The other world in our midst. On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 4:41 PM Mari Crocker via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hi Jan,
Recently the Centering Prayer group I belong to has been delving into *World Without End, (first published in 2017) *the text of conversations between film maker and writer Lucette Verboten and Father Thomas Keating. In the course of their exchange, Keating reveals the profound influence the evolutionary theology of Jesuit paleontologist Pierre Teilhard de Chardin had upon his greatly expanded idea of God, the universe and humanity moving into higher stages of consciousness beyond the “rational level.” JWM spoke often about consciousness of consciousness *of consciousness. *I believe our work with the OW in the midst of TW had much to do with this, though truth be, I was too naive at that point to fully understand the relationship. Certainly this all applies to shifting consciousness to a planetary perspective —the union with everything, letting go of the particular controversies, “*in order to be no thing.”* *\* Jon and Maureen Jenkins did the most depth work on the OW. You might find a chat with Maureen fruitful.
Marilyn
On Sep 5, 2023, at 12:35 PM, Janet Sanders via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hello! When Blase and I were recently in Litibu, I was asked by Josh Craver what I thought were some of the key legacies of the ICA/EI, One of my comments was the Other World Work we did. We dug out an early copy of the Courage to Lead and explored the various dynamics of the OW. It was an enlivening conversation! And yes, we saw some of the early papers in the archives. I am now back from travels and hope to check in with the material again. A key questions is how does this apply to shifting the consciousness to a planetary perspective. Jan
On Aug 31, 2023, at 1:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist?
Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing??
Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . .
Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/>
The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon
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James, Thank you as ever for this, (and many others) collegium.
A key questions is how does this apply to shifting the consciousness to a planetary perspective. Jan
Paraphrasing from Maria Popova’s Maginalian, https://www.themarginalian.org/, if an ant hill could be used as an analogy for all of humanity, where murder and music get equal billing, where there are differing roles but no hierarchy, the workers have encounters that spread through the hill and influence its behaviour. (I could say that each of us is the access to a hologram of the entire cosmos.) My partner, Mary Farrar (83) and I (81) have an at-wake-up, a joint solitary commencing with at least 20 minutes of silence. These days, we have done that on my front porch on the main street of a small village, when nothing is stirring except the call of loons and a rooster crowing. Next, we exchange our state of being and a gratitude. I got this process from Joyce Marshall many years ago. With the utterance of our our 'State of Being’ we then try to locate it in the Other World charts - the Jenkins edition that I got from David Dunn a year ago. This simple practice keeps our partnership in the lively present moment, honouring our 'two-ness’. We can safely be at ‘opposite ends’. This assertion of consciousness of consciousness, intentionally affects everything we are, together and with others. Ever grateful for the response of others. Ken
On Sep 5, 2023, at 4:40 PM, Mari Crocker via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hi Jan,
Recently the Centering Prayer group I belong to has been delving into World Without End, (first published in 2017) the text of conversations between film maker and writer Lucette Verboten and Father Thomas Keating. In the course of their exchange, Keating reveals the profound influence the evolutionary theology of Jesuit paleontologist Pierre Teilhard de Chardin had upon his greatly expanded idea of God, the universe and humanity moving into higher stages of consciousness beyond the “rational level.” JWM spoke often about consciousness of consciousness of consciousness. I believe our work with the OW in the midst of TW had much to do with this, though truth be, I was too naive at that point to fully understand the relationship. Certainly this all applies to shifting consciousness to a planetary perspective —the union with everything, letting go of the particular controversies, “in order to be no thing.” \ Jon and Maureen Jenkins did the most depth work on the OW. You might find a chat with Maureen fruitful.
Marilyn
On Sep 5, 2023, at 12:35 PM, Janet Sanders via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hello! When Blase and I were recently in Litibu, I was asked by Josh Craver what I thought were some of the key legacies of the ICA/EI, One of my comments was the Other World Work we did. We dug out an early copy of the Courage to Lead and explored the various dynamics of the OW. It was an enlivening conversation! And yes, we saw some of the early papers in the archives. I am now back from travels and hope to check in with the material again. A key questions is how does this apply to shifting the consciousness to a planetary perspective. Jan
On Aug 31, 2023, at 1:10 PM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
For whatever reason, I am being pushed to reconsider the other world. I found a paper by Tillich (see attached) and I remember a paper, I believe by Niebuhr called "We live in 2 worlds" or something that we studied. Anyone recall?? Have a copy?? I checked the Global Research Network website and also the online data base and was unable to find it. Of course, now that I am 78, I have to wonder . .. did it actually exist?
Thanks for any help. And, how are you all doing??
Over the past 6 weeks, I have been much reminded of one of the Old Testament readings from the daily office in RS-1 Amos 5:18-24. We fled from the heat in Arizona (114 avg in July) to Colorado and a tornado met us. We returned to Arizona and Hurricane Hillary just missed us. We went to a niece's wedding in Oregon and the venue was changed due to a wildfire evacuation order. Now we are back in Arizona, but a brother- and sister-in-law are stuck at an airport in Charlotte because of Hurricane Idalia . . .
Jim Wiegel <http://partnersinparticipation.com/james-wiegel/>
The unknown is what is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that. Unknown is what is. Accept that it's unknown, and it's plain sailing. John Lennon
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