van Arendonk quote
Hi, all, The good news is that we are in the last week (I hope) of editing Getting to the Bottom of ToP before we send it to the publisher. The intention is to have it published by October 20, when ICA Canada has its annual gala. I have found one place in the book where Wayne quotes: "Dr. van Arandonk’s question, “What is it to be human?" Do any of you have any more information on this? I remember the question, but I don’t even remember Dr. van Arendonk’s first name, never mind a time or a place when he asked it. Can anybody help? Whatever you can help with in the next few days would be invaluable. Take care, Jo -- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8 Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates.ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator” Vendor of Record: Government of Ontario Learning and Training Services #OSS00536903 Vendor of Record: ProServices Canada E60ZT-120001/826/ZT Business Consulting/Change Management Pre-qualified Vendor, Alberta Education Resource List “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Richard Buckminster Fuller”
Joep Van Arendonk – UNFPA. I remember him speaking at Kemper (maybe – or perhaps we just studied a paper of his?) From: Dialogue [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jo Nelson via Dialogue Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 2:39 PM To: ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@wedgeblade.net> Subject: [Dialogue] van Arendonk quote Hi, all, The good news is that we are in the last week (I hope) of editing Getting to the Bottom of ToP before we send it to the publisher. The intention is to have it published by October 20, when ICA Canada has its annual gala. I have found one place in the book where Wayne quotes: "Dr. van Arandonk’s question, “What is it to be human?" Do any of you have any more information on this? I remember the question, but I don’t even remember Dr. van Arendonk’s first name, never mind a time or a place when he asked it. Can anybody help? Whatever you can help with in the next few days would be invaluable. Take care, Jo -- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca <http://associates.ca> > Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8 Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates.ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator” Vendor of Record: Government of Ontario Learning and Training Services #OSS00536903 Vendor of Record: ProServices Canada E60ZT-120001/826/ZT Business Consulting/Change Management Pre-qualified Vendor, Alberta Education Resource List “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Richard Buckminster Fuller”
Thank you, Sunny. This helped a lot! Having his first name and UNFPA allowed me to narrow my search and I found a scanned paper in the “annex” to Terry Bergdall’s paper. Now to find out how to reference it in a footnote. Is it in the archives? Take care, Jo
On Aug 26, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Sunny Walker <sunwalker@comcast.net> wrote:
Joep Van Arendonk – UNFPA. I remember him speaking at Kemper (maybe – or perhaps we just studied a paper of his?)
From: Dialogue [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net>] On Behalf Of Jo Nelson via Dialogue Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 2:39 PM To: ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@wedgeblade.net>> Subject: [Dialogue] van Arendonk quote
Hi, all,
The good news is that we are in the last week (I hope) of editing Getting to the Bottom of ToP before we send it to the publisher. The intention is to have it published by October 20, when ICA Canada has its annual gala.
I have found one place in the book where Wayne quotes: "Dr. van Arandonk’s question, “What is it to be human?"
Do any of you have any more information on this? I remember the question, but I don’t even remember Dr. van Arendonk’s first name, never mind a time or a place when he asked it.
Can anybody help? Whatever you can help with in the next few days would be invaluable.
Take care, Jo
-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca <http://associates.ca/>> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8
Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates.ca <http://ica-associates.ca/> Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator”
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-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8 Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates.ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator” Vendor of Record: Government of Ontario Learning and Training Services #OSS00536903 Vendor of Record: ProServices Canada E60ZT-120001/826/ZT Business Consulting/Change Management Pre-qualified Vendor, Alberta Education Resource List “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Richard Buckminster Fuller”
According to Martin Gilbraith, "ICA’s 1986 global conference in Spain was addressed by (from memory) Joep van Arendonk of UNFPA, and he famously (in ICA circles anyway) described ICA as “the People of the Question, because you have the courage to say ‘we don’t know”…"Time to call in the Archives team. The quote is probably in the files! Marshall On Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:38 PM, Sunny Walker via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: #yiv4881810404 #yiv4881810404 -- _filtered #yiv4881810404 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4881810404 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4881810404 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv4881810404 #yiv4881810404 p.yiv4881810404MsoNormal, #yiv4881810404 li.yiv4881810404MsoNormal, #yiv4881810404 div.yiv4881810404MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;}#yiv4881810404 a:link, #yiv4881810404 span.yiv4881810404MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4881810404 a:visited, #yiv4881810404 span.yiv4881810404MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4881810404 p.yiv4881810404msonormal0, #yiv4881810404 li.yiv4881810404msonormal0, #yiv4881810404 div.yiv4881810404msonormal0 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;}#yiv4881810404 span.yiv4881810404EmailStyle18 {color:windowtext;}#yiv4881810404 .yiv4881810404MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv4881810404 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv4881810404 div.yiv4881810404WordSection1 {}#yiv4881810404 Joep Van Arendonk – UNFPA. I remember him speaking at Kemper (maybe – or perhaps we just studied a paper of his?) From: Dialogue [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jo Nelson via Dialogue Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 2:39 PM To: ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@wedgeblade.net> Subject: [Dialogue] van Arendonk quote Hi, all, The good news is that we are in the last week (I hope) of editing Getting to the Bottom of ToP before we send it to the publisher. The intention is to have it published by October 20, when ICA Canada has its annual gala. I have found one place in the book where Wayne quotes:"Dr. van Arandonk’s question, “What is it to be human?" Do any of you have any more information on this? I remember the question, but I don’t even remember Dr. van Arendonk’s first name, never mind a time or a place when he asked it. Can anybody help? Whatever you can help with in the next few days would be invaluable. Take care,Jo -- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8 Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates.ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator” Vendor of Record: Government of Ontario Learning and Training Services #OSS00536903Vendor of Record: ProServices Canada E60ZT-120001/826/ZT Business Consulting/Change Management Pre-qualified Vendor, Alberta Education Resource List “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Richard Buckminster Fuller” _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
Thank you, Marshall!
On Aug 27, 2017, at 1:12 PM, W. J. via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
According to Martin Gilbraith, "ICA’s 1986 global conference in Spain was addressed by (from memory) Joep van Arendonk of UNFPA, and he famously (in ICA circles anyway) described ICA as “the People of the Question, because you have the courage to say ‘we don’t know”…" Time to call in the Archives team. The quote is probably in the files! Marshall
On Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:38 PM, Sunny Walker via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Joep Van Arendonk – UNFPA. I remember him speaking at Kemper (maybe – or perhaps we just studied a paper of his?)
From: Dialogue [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] On Behalf Of Jo Nelson via Dialogue Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 2:39 PM To: ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@wedgeblade.net> Subject: [Dialogue] van Arendonk quote
Hi, all,
The good news is that we are in the last week (I hope) of editing Getting to the Bottom of ToP before we send it to the publisher. The intention is to have it published by October 20, when ICA Canada has its annual gala.
I have found one place in the book where Wayne quotes: "Dr. van Arandonk’s question, “What is it to be human?"
Do any of you have any more information on this? I remember the question, but I don’t even remember Dr. van Arendonk’s first name, never mind a time or a place when he asked it.
Can anybody help? Whatever you can help with in the next few days would be invaluable.
Take care, Jo
-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca <http://associates.ca/>> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8
Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates.ca <http://ica-associates.ca/> Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator”
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OK, YES, Gordon Harper gave a PDF copy to Terry Bergdahl who shared the copy with me for the Archives, though we have no record of a prior electronic copy. So Thanks Terry. Thanks everyone for the input. Terry also gave to Jo Nelson the full citation he used for his ICA Handbook which Terry published as an ICA document to be shared to explain who we are and what we do and did. The title to the paper was as you say: THE PEOPLE OF THE QUESTION The precise quote was: "what it means to be man" An earlier remark goes: ... "what it means to be "man" instead of animal" Wendell On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:12 PM, W. J. via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
According to Martin Gilbraith, "ICA’s 1986 global conference in Spain was addressed by (from memory) Joep van Ar*e*ndonk of UNFPA, and he famously (in ICA circles anyway) described ICA as “the People of the Question, because you have the courage to say ‘we don’t know”…" Time to call in the Archives team. The quote is probably in the files! Marshall
On Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:38 PM, Sunny Walker via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Joep Van Arendonk – UNFPA. I remember him speaking at Kemper (maybe – or perhaps we just studied a paper of his?)
*From:* Dialogue [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net] *On Behalf Of *Jo Nelson via Dialogue *Sent:* Saturday, August 26, 2017 2:39 PM *To:* ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@wedgeblade.net> *Subject:* [Dialogue] van Arendonk quote
Hi, all,
The good news is that we are in the last week (I hope) of editing Getting to the Bottom of ToP before we send it to the publisher. The intention is to have it published by October 20, when ICA Canada has its annual gala.
I have found one place in the book where Wayne quotes: "Dr. van Arandonk’s question, “What is it to be human?"
Do any of you have any more information on this? I remember the question, but I don’t even remember Dr. van Arendonk’s first name, never mind a time or a place when he asked it.
Can anybody help? Whatever you can help with in the next few days would be invaluable.
Take care, Jo
-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8
Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 <(416)%20691-2316> Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 <(877)%20691-1422> Fax 1 416-691-2491 <(416)%20691-2491> Website http://ica-associates.ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 <(647)%20233-6910> Skype “jofacilitator”
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Thank you so much, everybody! You are all a great resource. Wayne was in Bilbao, and I’m sure that he was quoting from memory. This document is very helpful in allowing me to give a formal reference in the book, since the target audience includes academics sot that our methods can be taught in universities. Wayne’s intents were to capture formally the roots of our methods in such a way that new people who use ToP methods can understand their depth, and that our body of knowledge is captured in a way to share it with future generations. We are on track to have the book published in October this year. I will let you all know when it is available. Take care, Jo
On Aug 27, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Wendell Refior via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
OK, YES, Gordon Harper gave a PDF copy to Terry Bergdahl who shared the copy with me for the Archives, though we have no record of a prior electronic copy. So Thanks Terry. Thanks everyone for the input. Terry also gave to Jo Nelson the full citation he used for his ICA Handbook which Terry published as an ICA document to be shared to explain who we are and what we do and did.
The title to the paper was as you say: THE PEOPLE OF THE QUESTION
The precise quote was: "what it means to be man"
An earlier remark goes: ... "what it means to be "man" instead of animal"
Wendell
On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:12 PM, W. J. via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: According to Martin Gilbraith, "ICA’s 1986 global conference in Spain was addressed by (from memory) Joep van Arendonk of UNFPA, and he famously (in ICA circles anyway) described ICA as “the People of the Question, because you have the courage to say ‘we don’t know”…" Time to call in the Archives team. The quote is probably in the files! Marshall
On Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:38 PM, Sunny Walker via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:
Joep Van Arendonk – UNFPA. I remember him speaking at Kemper (maybe – or perhaps we just studied a paper of his?)
From: Dialogue [mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net>] On Behalf Of Jo Nelson via Dialogue Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 2:39 PM To: ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@wedgeblade.net>> Subject: [Dialogue] van Arendonk quote
Hi, all,
The good news is that we are in the last week (I hope) of editing Getting to the Bottom of ToP before we send it to the publisher. The intention is to have it published by October 20, when ICA Canada has its annual gala.
I have found one place in the book where Wayne quotes: "Dr. van Arandonk’s question, “What is it to be human?"
Do any of you have any more information on this? I remember the question, but I don’t even remember Dr. van Arendonk’s first name, never mind a time or a place when he asked it.
Can anybody help? Whatever you can help with in the next few days would be invaluable.
Take care, Jo
-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca <http://associates.ca/>> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8
Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 <tel:(416)%20691-2316> Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 <tel:(877)%20691-1422> Fax 1 416-691-2491 <tel:(416)%20691-2491> Website http://ica-associates.ca <http://ica-associates.ca/> Cellphone 647 233 6910 <tel:(647)%20233-6910> Skype “jofacilitator”
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I think this is the presentation you are seeking(attached) which is inclued in the annex of the ICA Orientation Handbook that wrote a couple of years ago. The reference I have for talk is "The People of the Question" by Joep Van Arendonk: an address made on July 25, 1986 at a global gathering of ICA staff in Bilbao, Spain. Terry On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hi, all,
The good news is that we are in the last week (I hope) of editing Getting to the Bottom of ToP before we send it to the publisher. The intention is to have it published by October 20, when ICA Canada has its annual gala.
I have found one place in the book where Wayne quotes: "Dr. van Arandonk’s question, “What is it to be human?"
Do any of you have any more information on this? I remember the question, but I don’t even remember Dr. van Arendonk’s first name, never mind a time or a place when he asked it.
Can anybody help? Whatever you can help with in the next few days would be invaluable.
Take care, Jo
-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8
Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 <(416)%20691-2316> Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 <(877)%20691-1422> Fax 1 416-691-2491 <(416)%20691-2491> Website http://ica-associates.ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 <(647)%20233-6910> Skype “jofacilitator”
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Jo, I think his name may be Jan and I think he was Belgian. I am sure Dick Alton would know.. Mary Laura Jones Grants Resource Development Consultant 1454 W. Fargo Avenue Chicago, IL 60626 cell: 773 636-2022 mljones2022@gmail.com On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Hi, all,
The good news is that we are in the last week (I hope) of editing Getting to the Bottom of ToP before we send it to the publisher. The intention is to have it published by October 20, when ICA Canada has its annual gala.
I have found one place in the book where Wayne quotes: "Dr. van Arandonk’s question, “What is it to be human?"
Do any of you have any more information on this? I remember the question, but I don’t even remember Dr. van Arendonk’s first name, never mind a time or a place when he asked it.
Can anybody help? Whatever you can help with in the next few days would be invaluable.
Take care, Jo
-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8
Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 <(416)%20691-2316> Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 <(877)%20691-1422> Fax 1 416-691-2491 <(416)%20691-2491> Website http://ica-associates.ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 <(647)%20233-6910> Skype “jofacilitator”
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Google reminds us that it is: Dr. Joep van Arendonk.
On 28 Aug 2017, at 20:28, ML Jones via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Jo, I think his name may be Jan and I think he was Belgian. I am sure Dick Alton would know..
Mary Laura Jones Grants Resource Development Consultant 1454 W. Fargo Avenue Chicago, IL 60626 cell: 773 636-2022 mljones2022@gmail.com <mailto:mljones2022@gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Hi, all,
The good news is that we are in the last week (I hope) of editing Getting to the Bottom of ToP before we send it to the publisher. The intention is to have it published by October 20, when ICA Canada has its annual gala.
I have found one place in the book where Wayne quotes: "Dr. van Arandonk’s question, “What is it to be human?"
Do any of you have any more information on this? I remember the question, but I don’t even remember Dr. van Arendonk’s first name, never mind a time or a place when he asked it.
Can anybody help? Whatever you can help with in the next few days would be invaluable.
Take care, Jo
-- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca <http://associates.ca/>> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8
Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 <tel:(416)%20691-2316> Toll-free 1 877-691-1422 <tel:(877)%20691-1422> Fax 1 416-691-2491 <tel:(416)%20691-2491> Website http://ica-associates.ca <http://ica-associates.ca/> Cellphone 647 233 6910 <tel:(647)%20233-6910> Skype “jofacilitator”
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Nope, he's Joep can Arendonk, a Dutch sociologist. I'd trust someone who was a friend/colleague @ the UN. Check this out.Marshall In Search of Decency | | | | | | | | | | | In Search of Decency A vision and practical path of a new partnership of rich and poor to create a better world.An uncommon memoir, M... | | | | On Monday, August 28, 2017 3:29 PM, ML Jones via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Jo, I think his name may be Jan and I think he was Belgian. I am sure Dick Alton would know.. Mary Laura JonesGrants Resource Development Consultant1454 W. Fargo AvenueChicago, IL 60626cell: 773 636-2022mljones2022@gmail.com On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: Hi, all, The good news is that we are in the last week (I hope) of editing Getting to the Bottom of ToP before we send it to the publisher. The intention is to have it published by October 20, when ICA Canada has its annual gala. I have found one place in the book where Wayne quotes:"Dr.van Arandonk’s question, “What is it to be human?" Do any of you have any more information on this? I remember the question, but I don’t even remember Dr. van Arendonk’s first name, never mind a time or a place when he asked it. Can anybody help? Whatever you can help with in the next few days would be invaluable. Take care,Jo -- Jo Nelson, CPF, CTF <jnelson@ica-associates.ca> Certified Professional Facilitator and ICA Certified ToP™ Facilitator ICA Associates, Inc. 401 Richmond Street West, Suite #405, Toronto, Canada. M5V 3A8 Ph. 1 416-691-2316, x2230 Toll-free 1 877-691- 1422 Fax 1 416-691-2491 Website http://ica-associates. ca Cellphone 647 233 6910 Skype “jofacilitator” Vendor of Record: Government of Ontario Learning and Training Services #OSS00536903Vendor of Record: ProServices Canada E60ZT-120001/826/ZT Business Consulting/Change Management Pre-qualified Vendor, Alberta Education Resource List “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Richard Buckminster Fuller” ______________________________ _________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/ listinfo.cgi/dialogue- wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
It’s ok, guys. I’ve already found the source — the paper of his speech to us in Bilbao — and it is in the chapter and the bibliography. Thank you for all your input! Jo
On Aug 28, 2017, at 4:33 PM, W. J. via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Nope, he's Joep can Arendonk, a Dutch sociologist. I'd trust someone who was a friend/colleague @ the UN. Check this out. Marshall
In Search of Decency A vision and practical path of a new partnership of rich and poor to create a better world.An uncommon memoir, M... <https://books.google.com/books?id=PRq8AQAAQBAJ&pg=PA201&lpg=PA201&dq=Joep+van+Arendonk+UN&source=bl&ots=5qkrt43oLP&sig=msvGphLk2h43NN0Rr3TcXAPjHPo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_lNbF4vrVAhVKNSYKHY1SCNYQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=Joep%20van%20Arendonk%20UN&f=false>
On Monday, August 28, 2017 3:29 PM, ML Jones via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Jo, I think his name may be Jan and I think he was Belgian. I am sure Dick Alton would know..
Mary Laura Jones Grants Resource Development Consultant 1454 W. Fargo Avenue Chicago, IL 60626 cell: 773 636-2022 mljones2022@gmail.com <mailto:mljones2022@gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Jo Nelson via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Hi, all,
The good news is that we are in the last week (I hope) of editing Getting to the Bottom of ToP before we send it to the publisher. The intention is to have it published by October 20, when ICA Canada has its annual gala.
I have found one place in the book where Wayne quotes: "Dr. van Arandonk’s question, “What is it to be human?"
Do any of you have any more information on this? I remember the question, but I don’t even remember Dr. van Arendonk’s first name, never mind a time or a place when he asked it.
Can anybody help? Whatever you can help with in the next few days would be invaluable.
Take care, Jo
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