Christmas poetry by St. John of the Cross, Raymond Hunthausen; TS Elliot
Some Christmas poetry shared at Carleton's lectionary group today... Ellie elliestock@aol.com IF YOU WANT If you want the Virgin will come walking down the road pregnant with the holy, and say, “I need shelter for the night, please take me inside your heart, my time is so close.” Then, under the roof of your soul, you will witness the sublime intimacy, the divine, the Christ taking birth forever, as she grasps your hand for help, for each of us is the midwife of God, each of us. Yet there, under the dome of your being does creation come into existence eternally, through your womb, dear pilgrim— the sacred womb in your soul, as God grasps our arms for help; for each of us is His beloved servant never far. If you want, the Virgin will come walking down the street pregnant with Light and sing ... --St. John of the Cross, “If You Want” translated by Daniel Ladinsky in Love Poems from God: Twelve Sacred Voices from the East and West (New York: Penguin Group, 2002), 306-307. If, as Herod, we fill our lives with things, And again with things; If we consider ourselves so unimportant that we must fill every moment of our lives with action; When will we have the time to make the long, slow journey across the burning desert, as did the Magi? Or sit and watch the stars as did the shepherds? Or brood over the coming of the child, as did Mary? For each of us: There is a desert to travel, A star to discover, And a being within ourselves to bring to life. by Raymond Hunthausen Journey of the Magi Journey of the Magi 'A cold coming we had of it, Just the worst time of the year For a journey, and such a long journey: The ways de... T. S. Eliot reads "Journey of the Magi" T. S. Eliot reads "Journey of the Magi" Check out my Twitter feed at https://twitter.com/bob_toomey. A rare recording taken from a live interview T. S. ...
Thank you for the Christmas poetry! It's getting to be more like Christmas... Doris Hahn On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Ellie Stock via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Some Christmas poetry shared at Carleton's lectionary group today... Ellie elliestock@aol.com
*IF YOU WANT*
If you want the Virgin will come walking down the road pregnant with the holy, and say, “I need shelter for the night, please take me inside your heart, my time is so close.” Then, under the roof of your soul, you will witness the sublime intimacy, the divine, the Christ taking birth forever, as she grasps your hand for help, for each of us is the midwife of God, each of us. Yet there, under the dome of your being does creation come into existence eternally, through your womb, dear pilgrim— the sacred womb in your soul, as God grasps our arms for help; for each of us is His beloved servant never far. If you want, the Virgin will come walking down the street pregnant with Light and sing ... --St. John of the Cross, “If You Want” translated by Daniel Ladinsky in *Love Poems from God: Twelve Sacred Voices from the East and West* (New York: Penguin Group, 2002), 306-307.
If, as Herod, we fill our lives with things, And again with things; If we consider ourselves so unimportant that we must fill every moment of our lives with action; When will we have the time to make the long, slow journey across the burning desert, as did the Magi? Or sit and watch the stars as did the shepherds? Or brood over the coming of the child, as did Mary? For each of us: There is a desert to travel, A star to discover, And a being within ourselves to bring to life.
by Raymond Hunthausen
Journey of the Magi <https://www.poetryarchive.org/poem/journey-magi>
Journey of the Magi 'A cold coming we had of it, Just the worst time of the year For a journey, and such a long journey: The ways de... <https://www.poetryarchive.org/poem/journey-magi>
T. S. Eliot reads "Journey of the Magi" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCVnuEWXQcg>
T. S. Eliot reads "Journey of the Magi" Check out my Twitter feed at https://twitter.com/bob_toomey. A rare recording taken from a live interview T. S. ... <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCVnuEWXQcg>
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A QUALITY WE SHOULDN’T FORGET He was less than half my age when he died. The accounts about him, much of it second-hand and riddled with errors and revisionism, are limited to only three years of his life. But during that time, he inspired people by his care for them, going to the extent of risking his life by challenging the religious and political leaders. In his followers’ accounts, one quality stands out – his unconditional love not tainted by self-serving motives. It was so impressive that they remembered it long after he was gone. They could only describe it as divine. We know about many famous people because position and power have perpetuated their names. But we know about this man mainly because his followers’ accounts were so inspiring that they have withstood the test of time. What is significant about this centuries later, at least for me, is that the followers identified a quality that makes all the difference to our lives. It is rare but not unknown. We encounter it in our lives as well and may even have been a channel for it at times. I too experienced it – in the lives of two late friends. The first was Monu Bhattacharya – I remember his care and concern for me when I was going through a personal crisis. The second was Gordon Harper, who suddenly contracted cancer and was given only months to live. He wrote a series of letters to all of us who knew him, to let us know the news. They were light hearted and filled with his typical humour and ended with his death a couple of years ago. Now when I review them and read between the lines, one message stands out: “I love you guys”. Is it presumptuous to equate this with the experience of that of the followers of Jesus? No, it isn’t. That experience was not a one-off event centuries ago but refers to something that keeps happening even today. As our species continues to poison the planet, as the clergy tries to blind the masses and as politicians loot the nation, this quality is the only thing that can give us hope and keep us sane. And it is all important to not forget this, to identify it when we see it and to celebrate it. Merry Christmas to all of you. Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com So through the eyes love attains the heart, for the eyes are the scouts of the heart. And the eyes go reconnoitering for what it would please the heart to possess. And when they are in full accord and firm, all three in one resolve, at that time perfect love is born from what the eyes have made welcome, to the heart. Joseph Campbell
On Dec 24, 2017, at 17:03, David Dunn via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Wow!
David
On Dec 19, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Ellie Stock via Dialogue wrote: ...as she grasps your hand for help, for each of us is the midwife of God, each of us.
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Thank you so much, Dharma for your insights--and for sharing them. May the end of 2017 be well for you! Doris On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 9:26 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
A QUALITY WE SHOULDN’T FORGET
He was less than half my age when he died. The accounts about him, much of it second-hand and riddled with errors and revisionism, are limited to only three years of his life. But during that time, he inspired people by his care for them, going to the extent of risking his life by challenging the religious and political leaders.
In his followers’ accounts, one quality stands out – his unconditional love not tainted by self-serving motives. It was so impressive that they remembered it long after he was gone. They could only describe it as divine.
We know about many famous people because position and power have perpetuated their names. But we know about this man mainly because his followers’ accounts were so inspiring that they have withstood the test of time.
What is significant about this centuries later, at least for me, is that the followers identified a quality that makes all the difference to our lives. It is rare but not unknown. We encounter it in our lives as well and may even have been a channel for it at times.
I too experienced it – in the lives of two late friends. The first was Monu Bhattacharya – I remember his care and concern for me when I was going through a personal crisis. The second was Gordon Harper, who suddenly contracted cancer and was given only months to live. He wrote a series of letters to all of us who knew him, to let us know the news. They were light hearted and filled with his typical humour and ended with his death a couple of years ago. Now when I review them and read between the lines, one message stands out: “I love you guys”.
Is it presumptuous to equate this with the experience of that of the followers of Jesus? No, it isn’t. That experience was not a one-off event centuries ago but refers to something that keeps happening even today. As our species continues to poison the planet, as the clergy tries to blind the masses and as politicians loot the nation, this quality is the only thing that can give us hope and keep us sane. And it is all important to not forget this, to identify it when we see it and to celebrate it.
Merry Christmas to all of you.
Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com
So through the eyes love attains the heart, for the eyes are the scouts of the heart. And the eyes go reconnoitering for what it would please the heart to possess. And when they are in full accord and firm, all three in one resolve, at that time perfect love is born from what the eyes have made welcome, to the heart. Joseph Campbell
On Dec 24, 2017, at 17:03, David Dunn via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Wow!
David
On Dec 19, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Ellie Stock via Dialogue wrote:
...as she grasps your hand for help, for each of us
is the midwife of God, each of us.
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Thank you Jim for sharing and reminding us of what truly is important- Love! Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 25, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Doris Hahn via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Thank you so much, Dharma for your insights--and for sharing them. May the end of 2017 be well for you! Doris
On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 9:26 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote: A QUALITY WE SHOULDN’T FORGET
He was less than half my age when he died. The accounts about him, much of it second-hand and riddled with errors and revisionism, are limited to only three years of his life. But during that time, he inspired people by his care for them, going to the extent of risking his life by challenging the religious and political leaders.
In his followers’ accounts, one quality stands out – his unconditional love not tainted by self-serving motives. It was so impressive that they remembered it long after he was gone. They could only describe it as divine.
We know about many famous people because position and power have perpetuated their names. But we know about this man mainly because his followers’ accounts were so inspiring that they have withstood the test of time.
What is significant about this centuries later, at least for me, is that the followers identified a quality that makes all the difference to our lives. It is rare but not unknown. We encounter it in our lives as well and may even have been a channel for it at times.
I too experienced it – in the lives of two late friends. The first was Monu Bhattacharya – I remember his care and concern for me when I was going through a personal crisis. The second was Gordon Harper, who suddenly contracted cancer and was given only months to live. He wrote a series of letters to all of us who knew him, to let us know the news. They were light hearted and filled with his typical humour and ended with his death a couple of years ago. Now when I review them and read between the lines, one message stands out: “I love you guys”.
Is it presumptuous to equate this with the experience of that of the followers of Jesus? No, it isn’t. That experience was not a one-off event centuries ago but refers to something that keeps happening even today. As our species continues to poison the planet, as the clergy tries to blind the masses and as politicians loot the nation, this quality is the only thing that can give us hope and keep us sane. And it is all important to not forget this, to identify it when we see it and to celebrate it.
Merry Christmas to all of you.
Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com
So through the eyes love attains the heart, for the eyes are the scouts of the heart. And the eyes go reconnoitering for what it would please the heart to possess. And when they are in full accord and firm, all three in one resolve, at that time perfect love is born from what the eyes have made welcome, to the heart. Joseph Campbell
On Dec 24, 2017, at 17:03, David Dunn via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Wow!
David
On Dec 19, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Ellie Stock via Dialogue wrote: ...as she grasps your hand for help, for each of us is the midwife of God, each of us.
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Thank you, Jim. Profound he WAS, IS and EVER SHALL BE! Therefore … The League WAS, IS and EVER SHALL BE…. ~Greetings, John and Lynda From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Reply-To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: Monday, December 25, 2017 at 9:26 AM To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Jim Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Christmas poetry from Dharmalingham A QUALITY WE SHOULDN’T FORGET He was less than half my age when he died. The accounts about him, much of it second-hand and riddled with errors and revisionism, are limited to only three years of his life. But during that time, he inspired people by his care for them, going to the extent of risking his life by challenging the religious and political leaders. In his followers’ accounts, one quality stands out – his unconditional love not tainted by self-serving motives. It was so impressive that they remembered it long after he was gone. They could only describe it as divine. We know about many famous people because position and power have perpetuated their names. But we know about this man mainly because his followers’ accounts were so inspiring that they have withstood the test of time. What is significant about this centuries later, at least for me, is that the followers identified a quality that makes all the difference to our lives. It is rare but not unknown. We encounter it in our lives as well and may even have been a channel for it at times. I too experienced it – in the lives of two late friends. The first was Monu Bhattacharya – I remember his care and concern for me when I was going through a personal crisis. The second was Gordon Harper, who suddenly contracted cancer and was given only months to live. He wrote a series of letters to all of us who knew him, to let us know the news. They were light hearted and filled with his typical humour and ended with his death a couple of years ago. Now when I review them and read between the lines, one message stands out: “I love you guys”. Is it presumptuous to equate this with the experience of that of the followers of Jesus? No, it isn’t. That experience was not a one-off event centuries ago but refers to something that keeps happening even today. As our species continues to poison the planet, as the clergy tries to blind the masses and as politicians loot the nation, this quality is the only thing that can give us hope and keep us sane. And it is all important to not forget this, to identify it when we see it and to celebrate it. Merry Christmas to all of you. Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353<x-apple-data-detectors://0> Tel. 011-623-936-8671<tel:011-623-936-8671> or 011-623-363-3277<tel:011-623-363-3277> jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> So through the eyes love attains the heart, for the eyes are the scouts of the heart. And the eyes go reconnoitering for what it would please the heart to possess. And when they are in full accord and firm, all three in one resolve, at that time perfect love is born from what the eyes have made welcome, to the heart. Joseph Campbell On Dec 24, 2017, at 17:03, David Dunn via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: Wow! David On Dec 19, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Ellie Stock via Dialogue wrote: ...as she grasps your hand for help, for each of us is the midwife of God, each of us. _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
Thanks for these and other encounters that occur in our lives. Nancy
On Dec 25, 2017, at 6:26 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
A QUALITY WE SHOULDN’T FORGET
He was less than half my age when he died. The accounts about him, much of it second-hand and riddled with errors and revisionism, are limited to only three years of his life. But during that time, he inspired people by his care for them, going to the extent of risking his life by challenging the religious and political leaders.
In his followers’ accounts, one quality stands out – his unconditional love not tainted by self-serving motives. It was so impressive that they remembered it long after he was gone. They could only describe it as divine.
We know about many famous people because position and power have perpetuated their names. But we know about this man mainly because his followers’ accounts were so inspiring that they have withstood the test of time.
What is significant about this centuries later, at least for me, is that the followers identified a quality that makes all the difference to our lives. It is rare but not unknown. We encounter it in our lives as well and may even have been a channel for it at times.
I too experienced it – in the lives of two late friends. The first was Monu Bhattacharya – I remember his care and concern for me when I was going through a personal crisis. The second was Gordon Harper, who suddenly contracted cancer and was given only months to live. He wrote a series of letters to all of us who knew him, to let us know the news. They were light hearted and filled with his typical humour and ended with his death a couple of years ago. Now when I review them and read between the lines, one message stands out: “I love you guys”.
Is it presumptuous to equate this with the experience of that of the followers of Jesus? No, it isn’t. That experience was not a one-off event centuries ago but refers to something that keeps happening even today. As our species continues to poison the planet, as the clergy tries to blind the masses and as politicians loot the nation, this quality is the only thing that can give us hope and keep us sane. And it is all important to not forget this, to identify it when we see it and to celebrate it.
Merry Christmas to all of you.
Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com
So through the eyes love attains the heart, for the eyes are the scouts of the heart. And the eyes go reconnoitering for what it would please the heart to possess. And when they are in full accord and firm, all three in one resolve, at that time perfect love is born from what the eyes have made welcome, to the heart. Joseph Campbell
On Dec 24, 2017, at 17:03, David Dunn via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Wow!
David
On Dec 19, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Ellie Stock via Dialogue wrote: ...as she grasps your hand for help, for each of us is the midwife of God, each of us.
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Thanks for sharing.....a wonderful gift, deeply appreciated. The power of the word comes from its reality in life lived as all of us are as in the words shared by Elle: ...as she grasps your hand for help, for each of us is the midwife of God, each of us. In gratefulness.. Wanda Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 25, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Nancy Lanphear via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Thanks for these and other encounters that occur in our lives. Nancy
On Dec 25, 2017, at 6:26 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
A QUALITY WE SHOULDN’T FORGET
He was less than half my age when he died. The accounts about him, much of it second-hand and riddled with errors and revisionism, are limited to only three years of his life. But during that time, he inspired people by his care for them, going to the extent of risking his life by challenging the religious and political leaders.
In his followers’ accounts, one quality stands out – his unconditional love not tainted by self-serving motives. It was so impressive that they remembered it long after he was gone. They could only describe it as divine.
We know about many famous people because position and power have perpetuated their names. But we know about this man mainly because his followers’ accounts were so inspiring that they have withstood the test of time.
What is significant about this centuries later, at least for me, is that the followers identified a quality that makes all the difference to our lives. It is rare but not unknown. We encounter it in our lives as well and may even have been a channel for it at times.
I too experienced it – in the lives of two late friends. The first was Monu Bhattacharya – I remember his care and concern for me when I was going through a personal crisis. The second was Gordon Harper, who suddenly contracted cancer and was given only months to live. He wrote a series of letters to all of us who knew him, to let us know the news. They were light hearted and filled with his typical humour and ended with his death a couple of years ago. Now when I review them and read between the lines, one message stands out: “I love you guys”.
Is it presumptuous to equate this with the experience of that of the followers of Jesus? No, it isn’t. That experience was not a one-off event centuries ago but refers to something that keeps happening even today. As our species continues to poison the planet, as the clergy tries to blind the masses and as politicians loot the nation, this quality is the only thing that can give us hope and keep us sane. And it is all important to not forget this, to identify it when we see it and to celebrate it.
Merry Christmas to all of you.
Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com
So through the eyes love attains the heart, for the eyes are the scouts of the heart. And the eyes go reconnoitering for what it would please the heart to possess. And when they are in full accord and firm, all three in one resolve, at that time perfect love is born from what the eyes have made welcome, to the heart. Joseph Campbell
On Dec 24, 2017, at 17:03, David Dunn via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Wow!
David
On Dec 19, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Ellie Stock via Dialogue wrote: ...as she grasps your hand for help, for each of us is the midwife of God, each of us.
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Thanks for the gift of beautiful words. Coming from the heart, . Nancy
On Dec 24, 2017, at 3:03 PM, David Dunn via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:
Wow!
David
On Dec 19, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Ellie Stock via Dialogue wrote: ...as she grasps your hand for help, for each of us is the midwife of God, each of us.
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