Can Christianity Be Saved--correction to the link to Bass's article
You can access the article by Diana Butler Bass, referred to in the previous email, directly through this corrected link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diana-butler-bass/can-christianity-be-saved_1_... "Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted)
Also an interesting article from Darmaid McCoulough, anticipating a schism in Catholicism over European anger that Rome is trying to downplay Vatican II. Perhaps, though, the question is wrong. Maybe the question is, how are we as a human species, going to generate a level of courage, wisdom, care and creativity that is more than adequate to meet the challenges of this new century? The Ecumenical Institute tried for the local congregation, the Institute of Cultural Affairs tried for the local community. Gloria Steinem and many others tried for empowered women, Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com “One cannot live in the afternoon of life according to the program of life’s morning; for what was great in the morning will be of little importance in the evening, and what in the morning was true will at evening have become a lie.” – Carl Jung Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7, 2012 Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. On Jul 16, 2012, at 17:49, R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com> wrote:
You can access the article by Diana Butler Bass, referred to in the previous email, directly through this corrected link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diana-butler-bass/can-christianity-be-saved_1_...
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Jim, You have stated the question very well for me. Thank you. Mary Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -----Original Message----- From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Sender: dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.netDate: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:50:09 To: Order Ecumenical Community<oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> Reply-To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Order Ecumenical Community<oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>; Colleague Dialogue<dialogue@wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Can Christianity Be Saved--correction to the link to Bass's article _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net
Hi, Mary Did I see a picture of your daughter's wedding a couple of weeks ago? Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com “One cannot live in the afternoon of life according to the program of life’s morning; for what was great in the morning will be of little importance in the evening, and what in the morning was true will at evening have become a lie.” – Carl Jung Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7, 2012 Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. On Jul 16, 2012, at 22:01, "Mary K D'Souza" <marykdsouza@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim, You have stated the question very well for me. Thank you. Mary Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
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Jim, Where would you have seen it? This is news to me. She is still a student doing her BA in graphic design in Chicago. I hope she gets married when she economically independent. Nice way to ask for news!b All the best to you and yours, especially Judy Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -----Original Message----- From: James Wiegel <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> Sender: dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.netDate: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:30:42 To: Colleague Dialogue<dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Reply-To: Colleague Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Colleague Dialogue<dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] [Oe List ...] Can Christianity Be Saved--correction to the link to Bass's article Hi, Mary Did I see a picture of your daughter's wedding a couple of weeks ago? Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com “One cannot live in the afternoon of life according to the program of life’s morning; for what was great in the morning will be of little importance in the evening, and what in the morning was true will at evening have become a lie.” – Carl Jung Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7, 2012 Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. On Jul 16, 2012, at 22:01, "Mary K D'Souza" <marykdsouza@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim, You have stated the question very well for me. Thank you. Mary Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
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Terry and I visited the Santa Fe Institute a few years ago and were impressed with how they bring together different disciplines to ask a question. See http://www.santafe.edu/ You can see examples of their work. Not exactly related to the church but interesting nonetheless. Diann McCabe On 7/16/12 7:50 PM, "James Wiegel" <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> wrote: Also an interesting article from Darmaid McCoulough, anticipating a schism in Catholicism over European anger that Rome is trying to downplay Vatican II. Perhaps, though, the question is wrong. Maybe the question is, how are we as a human species, going to generate a level of courage, wisdom, care and creativity that is more than adequate to meet the challenges of this new century? The Ecumenical Institute tried for the local congregation, the Institute of Cultural Affairs tried for the local community. Gloria Steinem and many others tried for empowered women, Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com "One cannot live in the afternoon of life according to the program of life's morning; for what was great in the morning will be of little importance in the evening, and what in the morning was true will at evening have become a lie." - Carl Jung Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7, 2012 Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. On Jul 16, 2012, at 17:49, R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com> wrote: You can access the article by Diana Butler Bass, referred to in the previous email, directly through this corrected link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diana-butler-bass/can-christianity-be-saved_1_... "Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
There has been this movement in human history of being the sensitive and responsive ones, with many manifestations, forms and stories. Certainly, stuff like the Santa Fe institute represents this reality in our lifetimes. This phenomenon emerges all the time, even, I think, among other species than our own. The Ecumenical Institute interpreted Historical Christianity as a movement which celebrated, had faith in, and gave form and blessing to this phenomenon with the expectation that this movement could be renewed. -- based on signs of creative turmoil like the ecumenical movement, the numbers of leaders in emerging nations who had been formed through Christian churches, Vatican II, etc., the theological turmoil and creativity which came after the second world war, etc. Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com “One cannot live in the afternoon of life according to the program of life’s morning; for what was great in the morning will be of little importance in the evening, and what in the morning was true will at evening have become a lie.” – Carl Jung Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7, 2012 Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details. On Jul 17, 2012, at 10:21, "McCabe, Diann A" <dm14@txstate.edu> wrote:
Terry and I visited the Santa Fe Institute a few years ago and were impressed with how they bring together different disciplines to ask a question. See http://www.santafe.edu/ You can see examples of their work. Not exactly related to the church but interesting nonetheless.
Diann McCabe
On 7/16/12 7:50 PM, "James Wiegel" <jfwiegel@yahoo.com> wrote:
Also an interesting article from Darmaid McCoulough, anticipating a schism in Catholicism over European anger that Rome is trying to downplay Vatican II.
Perhaps, though, the question is wrong. Maybe the question is, how are we as a human species, going to generate a level of courage, wisdom, care and creativity that is more than adequate to meet the challenges of this new century?
The Ecumenical Institute tried for the local congregation, the Institute of Cultural Affairs tried for the local community. Gloria Steinem and many others tried for empowered women,
Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com
“One cannot live in the afternoon of life according to the program of life’s morning; for what was great in the morning will be of little importance in the evening, and what in the morning was true will at evening have become a lie.” – Carl Jung
Partners in Participation Upcoming public course opportunities: ToP Facilitation Methods, Sept 11-12, 2012 ToP Strategic Planning, Oct 9-10, 2012 The AZ Community of Practice meets the 1st Friday- Sept 7, 2012 Facilitation Mastery : Our Mastering the Technology of Participation program is available in Phoenix in 2012-3. Program begins on Nov 14-16, 2012 See short video http://partnersinparticipation.com/?page_id=55 and website for further details.
On Jul 16, 2012, at 17:49, R Williams <rcwmbw@yahoo.com> wrote:
You can access the article by Diana Butler Bass, referred to in the previous email, directly through this corrected link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diana-butler-bass/can-christianity-be-saved_1_...
"Listen to what is emerging from yourself to the course of being in the world; not to be supported by it, but to bring it to reality as it desires." -Martin Buber (adapted) _______________________________________________ OE mailing list OE@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/oe-wedgeblade.net
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Colleagues. I appreciated the juxtaposition of Jim's paragraph on 'this movement in human history' and his Carl Jung quote in Jim's email signature. I found myself thinking about the Order Ecumenical, our Archive work and the ICA's 50th anniversary celebrations, and the dialogue about questions. This was the question that I had posed for myself earlier today and offer up for the "afternoon of life": "With whom are you partnering as a soul friend?" (By which I meant, "With whom are you—as a sensitive and responsive one, formed by our experience as the Order Ecumenical—in deeply intentional relationship as listener, companion, mentor, partner, co-learner, and servant?) My partner and soul friend is Fr. Scott Jenkins, the priest at Church of the Holy Family in Aurora, Colorado, and one of the founders of the Ecumenical Catholic Communion 13 years ago. David On Jul 17, 2012, at 11:08 AM, James Wiegel wrote:
There has been this movement in human history of being the sensitive and responsive ones, with many manifestations, forms and stories. Certainly, stuff like the Santa Fe institute represents this reality in our lifetimes. This phenomenon emerges all the time, even, I think, among other species than our own. The Ecumenical Institute interpreted Historical Christianity as a movement which celebrated, had faith in, and gave form and blessing to this phenomenon with the expectation that this movement could be renewed. -- based on signs of creative turmoil like the ecumenical movement, the numbers of leaders in emerging nations who had been formed through Christian churches, Vatican II, etc., the theological turmoil and creativity which came after the second world war, etc.
Jim Wiegel Jfwiegel@yahoo.com
“One cannot live in the afternoon of life according to the program of life’s morning; for what was great in the morning will be of little importance in the evening, and what in the morning was true will at evening have become a lie.” – Carl Jung
David Dunn 740 S Alton Way 9B Denver, CO 80247 -- dmdunn1@gmail.com 720-314-5991
Interesting. Jim, if that is the question, I seriously doubt the church as an institution is going to be very involved. There are so many people under 40 now who are completely unchurched and many of those who were raised in a church are leaving and not going back. Yes, we can claim a few stragglers in the US, but in Europe & the UK the church seems like an amusingly irrelevant relic. Courage, wisdom, care & creativity ARE being generated, taught, empowered, and manifested. A lot through art (in its many manifestations), mysticism (calling on mystical practices from all traditions), and experiments in community--either separately or in different combinations of those three. Sadly, the most spiritual people I encounter are the ones that tell me the church does not provide what they seek. And in Africa, my experience is that the church and people's deep attachment to it as a community institution is one of the fundamental things holding them back from tapping into their own authentic creativity, wisdom and courage. Tracy E. Longacre from the Art Monastery, Labro, Italy +44 (7519) 636546 just another child of God Blog: http://tlongacre.wordpress.com Run Blog: http://revruns.blogspot.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tlongacre/ Subscribe to e-mail updates: telupdates-subscribe@topica.com ———-O0ooo— ———–(——)— ————)–-/—- ————(_/- —-ooo0O—- —-(——)—- —–\-–(– ——\_)-
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