Celebrating with all these families and remembering these wonderful young people now assuming their own special places in the world. Surely would be fun to see the “then and now” photos on FB. Lynda and John Cock From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Reply-To: ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:11 AM To: ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Holcombe Wanda <wandah70@gmail.com>, Kevin Balm <balmkevin@gmail.com>, Dhondi Wiegel <dhondiw@gmail.com>, Kevin Balm <kbalm@topfacilitators.com>, Roxanna Harper <foxyrox01@gmail.com>, Elena Harper <elenaharper@centura.org>, Judith Wiegel <judithwiegel@yahoo.com>, Shanker and Lisa Wiegel <shankerw@yahoo.com>, Marilyn Crocker <maricrocker@gmail.com>, OE List <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>, "raymond@spencer.tc" <raymond@spencer.tc>, "lspencer1112@sbcglobal.net" <lspencer1112@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] A confluence of Twins! Did I remember them all?? What a treat to be reminded of the “double treats” all the twins were to our community. I was always in deep admiration to the moms who birthed their twins (or any child) while on assignments in developing nations and to all the couples who birthed twins and managed parenthood as part of the Order Comminity🌍🌎🌏 ......And to follow some of them as they grew and were loved by a larger community beyond their parents💗🦋 Wanda Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:53 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: This subject line from a recent email . . . Stu & Elena's 50th Birthday Weekend! It was 1976. Maliwada village. The Castle at the end of the road. The Harper twins, now turning 50 The Balm twins The Crocker twins And subsequently . . . The Spencer twins The Wiegel twins (just turned 40) Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353<x-apple-data-detectors://0> Tel. 011-623-936-8671<tel:011-623-936-8671> or 011-623-363-3277<tel:011-623-363-3277> jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:53 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote: This subject line from a recent email . . . Stu & Elena's 50th Birthday Weekend! It was 1976. Maliwada village. The Castle at the end of the road. The Harper twins, now turning 50 The Balm twins The Crocker twins And subsequently . . . The Spencer twins The Wiegel twins (just turned 40) Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353<x-apple-data-detectors://0> Tel. 011-623-936-8671<tel:011-623-936-8671> or 011-623-363-3277<tel:011-623-363-3277> jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/> Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net

Early on we had the Hockley twins, Mark and Wendy. Noting that Wendy's death and memorial service brought the double cross to our altar hanging. Len On 2/18/2018 5:37 PM, Mary Kurian DSouza via Dialogue wrote:

Thank you for reminding us. Greetings and best wishes to each and all of them. Mary

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On 19 Feb 2018, at 04:24, Lynda C via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:

...

Celebrating with all these families and remembering these wonderful young people now assuming their own special places in the world.  Surely would be fun to see the “then and now” photos on FB.   Lynda and John Cock

*From: *Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net>> on behalf of ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> *Reply-To: *ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> *Date: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:11 AM *To: *ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> *Cc: *Holcombe Wanda <wandah70@gmail.com <mailto:wandah70@gmail.com>>, Kevin Balm <balmkevin@gmail.com <mailto:balmkevin@gmail.com>>, Dhondi Wiegel <dhondiw@gmail.com <mailto:dhondiw@gmail.com>>, Kevin Balm <kbalm@topfacilitators.com <mailto:kbalm@topfacilitators.com>>, Roxanna Harper <foxyrox01@gmail.com <mailto:foxyrox01@gmail.com>>, Elena Harper <elenaharper@centura.org <mailto:elenaharper@centura.org>>, Judith Wiegel <judithwiegel@yahoo.com <mailto:judithwiegel@yahoo.com>>, Shanker and Lisa Wiegel <shankerw@yahoo.com <mailto:shankerw@yahoo.com>>, Marilyn Crocker <maricrocker@gmail.com <mailto:maricrocker@gmail.com>>, OE List <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net <mailto:oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>>, "raymond@spencer.tc <mailto:raymond@spencer.tc>" <raymond@spencer.tc <mailto:raymond@spencer.tc>>, "lspencer1112@sbcglobal.net <mailto:lspencer1112@sbcglobal.net>" <lspencer1112@sbcglobal.net <mailto:lspencer1112@sbcglobal.net>> *Subject: *Re: [Dialogue] A confluence of Twins! Did I remember them all??

What a treat to be reminded of the “double treats” all the twins were to our community.  I was always in deep admiration to the moms who birthed their twins (or any child) while on assignments in developing nations and to all the couples who birthed twins and managed parenthood as part of the Order Comminity🌍🌎🌏

......And to follow some of them as they grew and were loved by a larger community beyond their parents💗🦋

Wanda

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On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:53 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:

This subject line from a recent email . . .  Stu & Elena's 50th Birthday Weekend!

It was 1976.  Maliwada village.  The Castle at the end of the road.

The Harper twins, now turning 50

The Balm twins

The Crocker twins

And subsequently . . .

The Spencer twins

The Wiegel twins (just turned 40)

Jim Wiegel

401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353<x-apple-data-detectors://0>

Tel. 011-623-936-8671<tel:011-623-936-8671> or 011-623-363-3277<tel:011-623-363-3277>

jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com>

www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/>

Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you.  Carl Jung

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On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:53 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net<mailto:dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net>> wrote:

This subject line from a recent email . . .  Stu & Elena's 50th Birthday Weekend!

It was 1976.  Maliwada village.  The Castle at the end of the road.

The Harper twins, now turning 50

The Balm twins

The Crocker twins

And subsequently . . .

The Spencer twins

The Wiegel twins (just turned 40)

Jim Wiegel

401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353<x-apple-data-detectors://0>

Tel.011-623-936-8671<tel:011-623-936-8671> or 011-623-363-3277<tel:011-623-363-3277>

jfwiegel@yahoo.com<mailto:marilyn.oyler@gmail.com>

www.partnersinparticipation.com<http://www.partnersinparticipation.com/>

Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you.  Carl Jung

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Last week, I got into a conversation with the person who recruited me to RS-1 (my sister, the first Judy Wiegel) and . . . All that. We were "there", both of us -- for several years, then she went off to . . . Anyway, we were telling stories of those days and living and teaching in 5th City, she also worked with the 5th City Ensemble. And the question got asked, oh, my, the order and the spirit movement and a cultural (urban, scientific, secular) and theological revolution. Where is that today? . . .seemed a good question Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung

On Feb 18, 2018, at 22:47, Len Hockley via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Early on we had the Hockley twins, Mark and Wendy.

Noting that Wendy's death and memorial service brought the double cross to our altar hanging. Len

...

On 2/18/2018 5:37 PM, Mary Kurian DSouza via Dialogue wrote: Thank you for reminding us. Greetings and best wishes to each and all of them. Mary

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Feb 2018, at 04:24, Lynda C via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

...

Celebrating with all these families and remembering these wonderful young people now assuming their own special places in the world. Surely would be fun to see the “then and now” photos on FB. Lynda and John Cock

From: Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Reply-To: ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Date: Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:11 AM To: ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> Cc: Holcombe Wanda <wandah70@gmail.com>, Kevin Balm <balmkevin@gmail.com>, Dhondi Wiegel <dhondiw@gmail.com>, Kevin Balm <kbalm@topfacilitators.com>, Roxanna Harper <foxyrox01@gmail.com>, Elena Harper <elenaharper@centura.org>, Judith Wiegel <judithwiegel@yahoo.com>, Shanker and Lisa Wiegel <shankerw@yahoo.com>, Marilyn Crocker <maricrocker@gmail.com>, OE List <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>, "raymond@spencer.tc" <raymond@spencer.tc>, "lspencer1112@sbcglobal.net" <lspencer1112@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] A confluence of Twins! Did I remember them all??

What a treat to be reminded of the “double treats” all the twins were to our community. I was always in deep admiration to the moms who birthed their twins (or any child) while on assignments in developing nations and to all the couples who birthed twins and managed parenthood as part of the Order Comminity🌍🌎🌏

......And to follow some of them as they grew and were loved by a larger community beyond their parents💗🦋 Wanda

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:53 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

This subject line from a recent email . . . Stu & Elena's 50th Birthday Weekend!

It was 1976. Maliwada village. The Castle at the end of the road. The Harper twins, now turning 50 The Balm twins The Crocker twins

And subsequently . . . The Spencer twins The Wiegel twins (just turned 40)

Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com

Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:53 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

This subject line from a recent email . . . Stu & Elena's 50th Birthday Weekend!

It was 1976. Maliwada village. The Castle at the end of the road. The Harper twins, now turning 50 The Balm twins The Crocker twins

And subsequently . . . The Spencer twins The Wiegel twins (just turned 40)

Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com www.partnersinparticipation.com

Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net _______________________________________________ Dialogue mailing list Dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net http://lists.wedgeblade.net/listinfo.cgi/dialogue-wedgeblade.net

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Right, and well said, Jack! On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 1:27 PM, Jack Gilles via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

James,

It is still present. But just like the League, it sometimes takes form and other times it becomes hidden. Every so often you get a glimpse of it, and when you do get that bit of transparency, rejoice and be thankful that you indeed are a fellow traveler on the quest for the Impossible Dream.

Peace,

Jack

On Feb 19, 2018, at 13:45, James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Last week, I got into a conversation with the person who recruited me to RS-1 (my sister, the first Judy Wiegel) and . . . All that. We were "there", both of us -- for several years, then she went off to . . . Anyway, we were telling stories of those days and living and teaching in 5th City, she also worked with the 5th City Ensemble.

And the question got asked, oh, my, the order and the spirit movement and a cultural (urban, scientific, secular) and theological revolution. Where is that today? . . .seemed a good question

Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com

Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung

On Feb 18, 2018, at 22:47, Len Hockley via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Early on we had the Hockley twins, Mark and Wendy.

Noting that Wendy's death and memorial service brought the double cross to our altar hanging. Len

On 2/18/2018 5:37 PM, Mary Kurian DSouza via Dialogue wrote:

Thank you for reminding us. Greetings and best wishes to each and all of them. Mary

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Feb 2018, at 04:24, Lynda C via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Celebrating with all these families and remembering these wonderful young people now assuming their own special places in the world. Surely would be fun to see the “then and now” photos on FB. Lynda and John Cock

*From: *Dialogue <dialogue-bounces@lists.wedgeblade.net> on behalf of ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> *Reply-To: *ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> *Date: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:11 AM *To: *ICA Dialogue List <dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> *Cc: *Holcombe Wanda <wandah70@gmail.com>, Kevin Balm <balmkevin@gmail.com>, Dhondi Wiegel <dhondiw@gmail.com>, Kevin Balm <kbalm@topfacilitators.com>, Roxanna Harper <foxyrox01@gmail.com>, Elena Harper < elenaharper@centura.org>, Judith Wiegel <judithwiegel@yahoo.com>, Shanker and Lisa Wiegel <shankerw@yahoo.com>, Marilyn Crocker < maricrocker@gmail.com>, OE List <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net>, " raymond@spencer.tc" <raymond@spencer.tc>, "lspencer1112@sbcglobal.net" < lspencer1112@sbcglobal.net> *Subject: *Re: [Dialogue] A confluence of Twins! Did I remember them all??

What a treat to be reminded of the “double treats” all the twins were to our community. I was always in deep admiration to the moms who birthed their twins (or any child) while on assignments in developing nations and to all the couples who birthed twins and managed parenthood as part of the Order Comminity🌍🌎🌏

......And to follow some of them as they grew and were loved by a larger community beyond their parents💗🦋 Wanda

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:53 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

This subject line from a recent email . . . Stu & Elena's 50th Birthday Weekend!

It was 1976. Maliwada village. The Castle at the end of the road. The Harper twins, now turning 50 The Balm twins The Crocker twins

And subsequently . . . The Spencer twins The Wiegel twins (just turned 40)

Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com

Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung

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On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:53 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

This subject line from a recent email . . . Stu & Elena's 50th Birthday Weekend! It was 1976. Maliwada village. The Castle at the end of the road. The Harper twins, now turning 50 The Balm twins The Crocker twins

And subsequently . . . The Spencer twins The Wiegel twins (just turned 40)

Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com

Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung

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Hi everyone, In regards to Jim W's question about where are we and the methods we share in common, here are some that rise up quickly in my mind. 1) time spent w/ community organizers: comprehensive, gridding, power analysis, self support models, workshops, H Richard Niebuhr (Responsibility). 2) pastor in congregations: cadre/congregation/guild come to mind easily in applications. Be careful what we sing. See below too. 3) in work as a psychotherapist: other world in midst of this world (this can get spooky), squeeze play, ah-ha moments, freedom and duty held in tension through responsibility, suspension of the rational in structured conversation (art-form, spirit are biggies), visual imaginal education especially when it is much too easy to pile words on words, "You are accepted", Piaget. Goodness, I've used EI-ICA methods in teaching statistics to would-be pharmacists too. The list goes on and on. Tom Morrison On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Isobel Bishop via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

Warmest congratulations to all the twins 🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎆🔮🎇🎑

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On 19 Feb 2018, at 2:11 am, Holcombe Wanda via OE <oe@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

What a treat to be reminded of the “double treats” all the twins were to our community. I was always in deep admiration to the moms who birthed their twins (or any child) while on assignments in developing nations and to all the couples who birthed twins and managed parenthood as part of the Order Comminity🌍🌎🌏

......And to follow some of them as they grew and were loved by a larger community beyond their parents💗🦋 Wanda

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:53 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

This subject line from a recent email . . . Stu & Elena's 50th Birthday Weekend!

It was 1976. Maliwada village. The Castle at the end of the road. The Harper twins, now turning 50 The Balm twins The Crocker twins

And subsequently . . . The Spencer twins The Wiegel twins (just turned 40)

Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com

Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung

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On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:53 AM, James Wiegel via Dialogue < dialogue@lists.wedgeblade.net> wrote:

This subject line from a recent email . . . Stu & Elena's 50th Birthday Weekend!

It was 1976. Maliwada village. The Castle at the end of the road. The Harper twins, now turning 50 The Balm twins The Crocker twins

And subsequently . . . The Spencer twins The Wiegel twins (just turned 40)

Jim Wiegel 401 North Beverly Way, Tolleson, Arizona 85353 Tel. 011-623-936-8671 or 011-623-363-3277 jfwiegel@yahoo.com <marilyn.oyler@gmail.com> www.partnersinparticipation.com

Loneliness does not come from having no people around you. But from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to you. Carl Jung

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